Types of Yuri

Don't know why, felt a sudden urge to write this. Just an impulse.

Yuri for those who don't know is a genre of Anime and Manga focused around the love between two girls, the female equivalent of Yaoi which is the love between two guys. People sometimes think it's Lesbian Pornography Hentai or Hentai Manga/Doujinshi. It's not...though it can be extremely NSFW and have sex scenes, it generally is not ABOUT sex perse, and is more like a romance story that can get really graphic. I am quite the fan.

There's three main types of Yuri and I just wanted to make a quick blog explaining what those are. Generally though they are divided by what their target audience is.

Their's Yuri for Guys....Seinen Yuri, or the super-rare Shonen Yuri. Super-rare because Shonen tends to be quite detached from romance or love stories. Shonen Yuri tends to be the closest to a hentai manga.

There's Yuri for Teenage Girls, Shoujo Yuri. This is actually the most common. It's also my favorite.

And then there is Yuri for Adult Women, Josei Yuri. This is the rarest one, although fans will tell you it's the only "real" Yuri.

Let me start by saying there's sort of two types of characters people go for: People and Icons.

People are meant to be realistic, three-dimensional, fully-fleshed out, etc. They are meant to be relatable or intriguing in their complexity, etc. The major goal is being lifelike.

Icons are meant to be immediately recognizable and archetypal. They have simpler more drastic personalities and actions.They are meant to be very entertaining to watch and intriguing not in their depth but in their impact.

Yuri for Guys tends to be mostly Icons. The Characters are sort of more extreme archetypes. These works tend to heavy a focus on femininity, innocence, general moe-ness. Their is a vaguely idealized version of what being a teen girl is like (since outside of Josei, most Yuri is set in school with the main characters being schoolgirl lesbians) and lots of fanservice in the form of the characters in cute costumes or situations. These works tend to have the most physical action between the characters, but it also tends to be the lightest physical action. A quick kiss or loving caress here or there to tease the audience. Actual sexuality is general reserved for really important points. The heavy emphasis on icons means the series tends towards really sort of blunt and direct characterization meant for the more direct entertainment of the male audience rather then depth. As such these works are often more plot-focused with lots of big events happening rather then subtle characterization, which boys tend to prefer anyway. This is the sub-genre that most often takes forever for the girls to actually get in any kind of relationship, whereas the other Sub-Genres tend to start with that and focus on their relationship status, this sub-genre prefers to focus on how they get into that relationship (Thugh Shoujo Yuri does that a little).

Example Plot: Poor Hina-Chan! She's a nerd (with boyish likes) and shy, and now her classmates find out she still is mostly interested in girls in High School! She's in the middle of the other girls' bullying when suddenly Miyu-senpai shows up. All the Bullies stare in shock at this elegant cool confident girl. One year older, used "omae" as her default pronoun, and with a beautiful long dark hair complimenting her pale skin, she's what all the girls crave to be! Miyu-senpai with a few words send the bullies running before helping Hina-chan up. Miyu will act as Hina's active dominant sexually, protector, and teacher of how to be more confident. The climax of the story will be the first time that Hina stands up to Miyu, and Miyu's happiness that Hina has finally become a confident woman herself. 


Shoujo Yuri is a big mixture of Icons and People. It's also about the fanservice, but it's a different type of fanservice. Shoujo Yuri also has Femininity as an idealized concept, but will more often have the characters striving to be it, rather then being it effortlessly, it's written more like cheesy romance novels. Their is often surprisingly actual erotic content more graphic and common then in Yuri for Guys, but it's almost as rare and the smaller stuff is also rarer. Imagine "OMG we can't do this, we're both girls!" for a thousand pages lol. Their also tends to be more gender-bending with masculine girls taking the active romantic role for our femme lead being common. Often Shoujo Yuri is a form of escapism where girls can just love each other instead of being backstabbing bitc.....sorry that got away from me. Straight girls also sometimes read this since "Forbidden Romance" and all is exciting to girls regardless of reason. The mixture between icons and people often shows up as the main girl and her friends are people with mundane lives and developed personalities (for the readers to identify with) and the Cool Girls that are the love interests are the Icons with big personalities that the reader can girl-crush on.

Example Plot: Yuma is just your ordinary girl but to go to the good school she needs to live in a dorm away from home. Arriving late she finds there is no rooms for her to use but a older dorm-mate agrees to let her stay with her. From local gossip she finds out this new Room-Mate is actually the mysterious Ryusei, an extremely rich aristocrat girl, who is rumored to have a habit of seducing cute young girls into girls' love. Yuma finds herself in the virtual palace of this queen and her playing the part of servant. Yuma finds herself dependent on Ryusei, and Ryusei taking flirtatious advantage of her. Yuma must come to terms with her own attraction towards the older girl, her feelings of being both more independent then ever and more dependent then ever, and figure out where she is comfortable. The climax of the story comes when Yuma leaves Ryusei, but asks her to come live together in a modest dwelling, Ryusei says no initially not wanting to leave her hedonism behind but changes her mind and goes to live with Yuma.

Josei Yuri is a mixture of mostly people. It is the least fanservice-y and the most focused on actual LGBT experiences in Japan. It attempts to be most realistic and often has characters that are not very simple and easy to grasp, and talks about discrimination against lesbians, especially adult lesbians, in Japan. As such it is the most likely to feature grown adults. Eroticism is not unknown but is rarer then any other Yuri genre. The fans of this particular sub-genre have a bad reputation of calling everything that isn't this "Not REAL Yuri".

Example Plot: Aimi and Minako are in a stable relationship. Aimi's parents have been dead a long-time and she is self-employed, having never attended college. Minako is a college student of the same age who comes from a traditional family. When Minako brings Aimi home, her parents become angry that she will not find a man and pass on the legacy of the household. Minako refuses to take the next step in their relationship without her parent's blessing. Aimi supports Minako for a while as her parents give her no end to the grief.  However she becomes resentful that Minako is so dependent on others, having become prideful of being independent. Minako finds that out and the two argue before Aimi leaves her. This causes her parents to become even more set in their ways, seeing this as evidence that women's love relationships should only be for the very young girls as practice for real relationships and that staying in them longer is a sign of emotional immaturity. Minako becomes depressed to the point of mentally abusing herself, hating her own orientation. Aimi is alone and also becomes depressed before finally realizing that she isn't as dependent as she thinks, that she needs people too and more then anything depends on Minako. Minako's parents watch Minako's condition deteriorate and realize how much they suffering their daughter is truly going through. The climax of the story comes when Aimi apologizes and goes through a long involved process trying to make it up to Minako, who comes through her depression. Minako's parents give their blessing to the couple and they live together.

Now I read all three of these as you might be able to tell and they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. YES, Yuri for Guys has it's own strengths, get off your high horses, fictional series made for fun entertainment are not exploiting all of womenkind. Yuri for Guys can be just downright fun, and also the most likely to explore a relationship from the start. However it can also be kinda comically unrealistic, repetitive and use stereotypes that are really hard to relate to if you are actually a woman. Shoujo Yuri is the most imaginative I'd argue and the one that can be just outright adorable all the time with lots of cutesy-ness and female love (platonic too) shown. However it can also be manipulative and aspire to a level of depth it can't really back up. Josei Yuri has the most complex characters, realistic, relatable characters and is most likely to make actual points about LGBT culture and reception in Japan. However it is often the darkest and most audience-alienating with it's presentation, and tends to be the most hostile to what it perceives as harmful to Lesbians in Japan, including Traditional Religion, the Government, Men, Foreign Influences, etc.


They all have their strengths and weaknesses and none are "better" then the others in my opinion. I personally prefer Shoujo Yuri but that's just me.

Types of Multiverse

So I recently watched the Imaginary Axis' Video "Marvel's Guide to the Multiverse." It's a good video and I would definitely recommend watching it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAt0xpQe934

The Imaginary Axis is a Youtube channel I am a big fan of using Pop Cuture to discuss scientific, metaphysical, and philosophical arguments. I occasionally would argue with Tyler on minor points but for the most part I think he is very well informed of both the pop culture he is talking about and the scientific, metaphysical, and philosophical points he's talking about. Although obviously that's just me.

In his latest video he talked about Multiverse Types Briefly and I just wanted to make a quick (hopefully) blog partially responding to parts of his video but mostly wanting to give a slightly expansion by explanation in more detail what these types of multiverses are and what their implications. I will try and be brief and speak in layman's terms since I know some people don't possess the same interest in the most esoteric elements that I do.

He starts out with a very good point, that a lot of these are difficult to talk about partially because the terms are so ill-defined. As such I want to talk about the term "Universe" means for a second.

"Universe" comes from the Latin "Universus". "Uni-" means one and "versus" means "turned" so Universe means literally "Turned into one" or "Everything we perceive considered as one thing" And that leads to several different definitions of universe today.

One definition as my old Science teacher insisted is that Universe simply means everything. Obviously if Universe means everything there is no Multiverse, because you can't have Multi-Everything, as Everything consists of every individual thing.

The other common definitions are "a spacetime set and all within it" and "everything that we can percieve to the very edges of observable spacetime". The later is referred to the as the "Observable Universe". The most common definition seems to be the spacetime set one and so I will be using that and referring to the second as "Observable Universe" when I wish to refer to it. The observable Universe has a measure of 93 Billion Lightyears in diameter

The Universe itself has 3 general models with variations in each about what it's size and shape is. Finite, Unbounded, and Infinite.

Finite is the most obvious model. Spacetime has a definite size that may or may not be the same as the observable universe dimensions. What happens when you reach the end of space? Well because space and time are the same, it's the same as reaching the end of spacetime, which in this case is some kind of end to the universe, a big crunch or rip or freeze...nasty business for sure.

I'll get back to infinite in a second but first I want to talk about the Unbounded Model. It may sound strange at first since how could something be neither finite or infinite? Those are negations. Well the Unbounded model holds the universe in some regards but not in others. The most common depiction is that space curves so that if you go far enough eventually you will reach back to where you came from, sort of like a game of Pac-Man. It's like walking on the surface of a sphere, just not in 3-dimensions.

And then we have the infinite universe model. There is arguments for all 3 of these to be sure but this one probably raises the most questions for the typical person. If the universe is infinite and I go far enough will I ever run into another me? After all there is only a finite number of combinations of particles and infinite space so eventually I have to be duplicated. You are correct, hypothetical person. In an infinite universe, there is bound to be not just an exact copy of your observable universe right now, but an infinite number of copies. This brings me to the first of the 4 Rough Multiverse categories, all of which Tyler explained in his two Multiverse videos

Type 1: The Quilted Multiverse Theory
This is at least the name Tyler uses for it though this one in particular has many names. Now all 4 Multiverse Types have people arguing for whether or not they are true, and 3 of them have people arguing whether they are possible, or at all logical evaluations of the data.

However no one is arguing that this type is impossible. There are plenty who argue it's not true or real but it's physical possibilities is accepted by essentially everyone and it goes as follows:

Because an observable universe is by necessity finite, it's perfectly possible that one could have two "Observable Universes" in an overarching Universe. By having two "Observable Universes" one could have a "Multiverse". It's pretty simple, no?

Now I am very much into DC. I am not much into Marvel, although I believe I can say I have more information then the average person. As far I know, neither Marvel or DC have confirmed a Quilted Multiverse although neither have denied it. See any combination of these 4 types of multiverses are possible, ranging from none of them to all of them being true. They are independent of each other.

So it's possible though as far I know unconfirmed if there is a "Quilted Multiverse Theory" in either or both of Marvel and DC. The DC Universe I know has been confirmed to extend 100 Trillion Light Years from Earth so it definitely has room for such a Multiverse.

This brings up an interesting philosophical question, which is the distinction between a Quilted Multiverse Theory and an Unbound Universe. If you travel to an identical observable universe in this model then the you of that observable universe also traveled to an identical universe in the same direction which begs the question of it being in fact the same you and same universe. If the Universe is so big that it contains exact copies of the observable universe if you travel far enough, is it a copy or it actually the same thing?

Type 2: Bubble Universes
This theory holds that because of space's extension, little pockets form like bubbles which contain their own physical laws. What we perceive as our universe, our observable universe is merely the small patch in the original Singularity whose space has been so expanded that it is our Observable Universe.

This was done mostly to explain how come our universe seems to have such regular-ness if we come from an extremely chaotic Singularity of the Big Bang. Since the original Singularity at the moment of the Big Bang must have been intensely chaotic it doesn't seem to make sense that our universe would have uniform physical laws, but it could be we exist in a bubble that was formed from a small patch of the space of the singularity that has expanded to be our current observable universe.

This theory also holds generally that bubbles can combine or separate, much like physical bubbles we know. This is often done to explain certain oddities of our universe.

Type 3: Quantum Multiverse:
The most common Multiverse depicted in fiction due it's possibilities but also the one that makes physicists most uncomfortable. Commonly called the "Many Worlds Interpretation" this is the interpretation that the breakdown of phase space we perceive is not ACTUALLY a breakdown but instead us merely perceiving one possible outcome.

Their are two models: The Probabilistic Quantum Multiverse and the Ultimate Ensemble Quantum Multiverse.

For the first one imagine that we live in a video game, where the only thing that's loaded is where the players are because the game doesn't want to load the entire gameworld at once. Now when you travel to a certain spot a die is rolled. If it rolls a 6, there is a monster attack. The Probabilistic Quantum Multiverse suggest there are 6 "Universes" that emerge from this encounter:

A Universe where 1 is rolled: No Monster Attack
A Universe where 2 is rolled: No Monster Attack
A Universe where 3 is rolled: No Monster Attack
A Universe where 4 is rolled: No Monster Attack
A Universe where 5 is rolled: No Monster Attack
A Universe where 6 is rolled: Monster Attack!

But what if the die is weighted towards 6 so the chance of getting a 6 is 50%? In that case 10 "Universes" will emerge from the encounter:
A Universe where 1 is rolled: No Monster Attack
A Universe where 2 is rolled: No Monster Attack
A Universe where 3 is rolled: No Monster Attack
A Universe where 4 is rolled: No Monster Attack
A Universe where 5 is rolled: No Monster Attack
5 Universes where 6 is rolled: Monster Attack!

((OK, in fairness it's a LOT more then 6 or 10 universes. It's actually the same number in both cases...this is just the proportions. In the first 1/6 of the universes are Monster Attack, and in the second 1/2 of the universes are Monster Attack))

The alternative however comes from Max Tegmark's Concept of the "Ultimate Ensemble". That any set that can be mathematical expressed does in fact exist so long as it meats necessary physical conditions of a universe. In this case there are are an infinite amount of die roll universes. Infinite 1s. Infinite 2s. Infinite 3s. all the way to Infinite 6s and Monster Attacks.

Both Marvel and DC have this. DC's called "The Metaverse" is linked to their idea of "Hypertime" and the idea of Metafiction that runs throughout DC's Higher Dimensions. However DC also possess a Brane Multiverse as well (the two together are called Quantum Brane Multiverse...very creative I know). Before I watched Tyler's video I was not aware of Marvel having or not having this and at first from his explanation it seemed they didn't have a Brane Multiverse. And that's kind of a problem.

This is the thing that make a lot of physicists really uncomfortable with the Quantum Multiverse, in particular the Ultimate Ensemble. There are scientific objections but there is one argument that is a philosophical argument that takes it as true and has horrifying implications...the "Problem of Meaning"

The Problem of Meaning works as follows. If we define meaningful action as action that would have a consequence, IE an action that would result in a different cosmos even slightly if you didn't do it, then this type of Multiverse alone doesn't allow for ANY meaningful action.

If you save a baby's life in this Multiverse then there exists just as many universes where you did not. If you rob a bank in this Multiverse then there exists just as many universes where you did not. If you let yourself slowly die from inaction because you realize the futility of it all, there exists just as many universes where you did not. Every action you commit therefore has no meaning whatsoever. Free Will might still exist but only depending on how you define free will and regardless it can't make any impact. It's a very very sobering possibility if this is the correct view of the Multiverse. Tyler is right to call into question it's ontological implications. If the Avengers fail to stop Loki, does it matter?

Now he tries to explain away this problem in a strictly Quantum Multiverse and I give props for the attempt. It was noble and fairly strong but this is an extremely difficult problem for philosophers and I don't think his first response really explains it.

The first response is that there exists "Free Agents" that allow for some degree of meaningful impact, including travelers between two Universes, and A-Universal Beings.

Travelers between universes are beings that travel between universes and thus are causing a shift on a different universe. However this is insufficient to solve the problem since every decision they do in the other universe has as many universes where they did not. There are exactly as many universes where they didn't even travel to the other universe. Their impact can not solve the Problem of Meaning so long as all universes involve are strictly Ultimate Ensemble Quantum Universes.

The other proposed solution from within the Model is the A-Universal Beings. Beings that don't belong to a universe specifically but can impact them. While this is somewhat of a solution, it doesn't work based on that description of how they act. Example: The Living Tribunal. The Living Tribunal destroys universals which are bad. This may seem to give meaning, but since the same number of universals will become bad as before, this is not giving any meaning since within the universes there is the same number of bad outcomes as good outcomes.

However he then brought in information that made me quite happy personally

Type 4: The Brane Multiverse
This is the final Multiverse and the hardest to really understand but I will do my best.

Imagine a 3-Dimensional Cube like a die. Imagine the universe is one of the 6 "faces" of the die. The beings of the universe have a sense that their are other universes and moreover that the universes are arranged in some kind of larger "pattern" but can't grasp it.

You can extend this pattern into higher dimensions, and that's basically branes. That what we perceive as the observable universe is actually a "face" or aspect of a larger Higher-Dimensional Structure.

If you add Branes to a Quantum Multiverse then it automatically fixes the Problem of Meaning. You see if there is an object in higher-dimensional constant, then that adds a "Multiversal Constant". The minute you add a Multiversal Constant you change everything because suddenly even an Ultimate Ensemble Multiverse does not cover every possible permutation but instead has common traits.

This perhaps sounds very esoteric, so let me give you the example Tyler himself gives. Because something interesting turns up in Spider-Man comics. Here's the link for Tyler explaining it himself.

You know, Spider-Man has always been my favorite Marvel Hero, and a lot of people underestimate the important Spidey has to the Marvel Universe has as a whole. Spider-Man has come to act as the sort of collective conscious of the Marvel Universe, sometimes even the writers themselves. One good example is Civil War. Spider-Man starting out surprisingly joining Iron Man and the Pro-Registration side after much considerations since initially the Writers of Marvel wanted Civil War to be a grey conflict with arguments on both sides but ultimately favoring Pro-Registration. However as they contemplated this and realized overtime it went against everything they had stood for (not to mention had way better talent on the Anti-Registration Side) Spider-Man turned away from them and joined the resistance. Spider-Man changing sides essentially mirrored the Marvel Writer's change in what they believed. As this sort of councious of the more grey Marvel Universe, it makes alot of sense why people would be very shocked if Peter, oh I don't know, MADE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL SELLING HIS MARRAGE AND RETCONNING THE PAST FOR HIS OWN MISTAKE! But occasional slip-ups aside Peter is to me the best example of Marvel at it's best, a person with only ever JUST enough time, energy, and power to do the right thing, always struggling to be responsible and take the world on without despair.

This is vaguely the core of Spider-Man. That he is always going to be scrapping by trying to do everything and yet will always do the right thing even if it means personal sacrifice and try and face the world with an optimistic grin. And it's this "Core" that leads to an interesting effect. In the "Spider-Verse" series, it's revealed that a Higher-Dimensional being called "The Great Weaver" deliberately makes it so that a Spider-Man entity, someone with that core (Plus Spider powers) appears in every universe in order to "keep the multiverse in check". Consider the implications.

There isn't a universe without a Spider-Man entity in the Marvel Multiverse (at least not the main one). Even if Spider-Man fails in one or more universes, his impact will always be there. He has made a meaningful impact on each universe for no other reason then because he is in each one. And because of what he is at his core, that impact for each universe is almost exclusively a net positive. Even if this was the ONLY example of this, that means that anything that interacts with Spider-Man and by extension the Great Weaver, has impact and meaning. Because the multiverse as a whole would be different without it. If Spider-Man say....Rallies a Group of Teenagers to stop doing drugs, there isn't a universe formed where he doesn't show up and rally them. There are some where he fails presumably, but that is a net positive for the multiverse as a whole. It solves the Problem of Meaning. And while most marvel Metahumans have interacted with Spiderman and thus the Great Weaver in some way or another even if thorough many degrees, it's perfectly plausible that other higher Dimensional Beings made it so that they are Multiversal Constants as well. Good Ol Spider-Man comics come through yet again.

This also sheds a new light of the Marvel Cosmics. See if they exist on higher branes as the Great Weaver, as they basically must for the higher-ups, then they cause the same effect:

Infinity thus imposes space as a necessity for the Multiverse, preventing universes without space from existing.
Eternity thus imposes time as a necessity for the Multiverse, preventing universes without time from existing.
Death imposes dying as a necessity for the Multiverse, preventing universes without dying from existence (save for the one obviously)
Oblivion imposes non-existence as a necessity for the Multiverse, preventing universes without the void from existence
And of course The Living Tribunal thus imposes his three concepts upon the Multiverse in the same way

The implication of these is unknown but it forces meaning to exist simply because there is not an identical amounts of potential universes, which means certain actions cause most universes of a certain type then others.

This is vaguely analogous to something DC Does. In DC the beings of the Sphere of the Gods, the Old Gods like Zeus and Odin, the New Gods like Darkseid and Highfather, and so forth are non-Quantum and exists on a higher spatial dimension brane then the Mortal Universes. As such an "aspect" of them is seen in every universe. Either an Avatar of them (the infamous Darkseid Avatars) or just their general concept appears in some form. At the top there is the 7 Endless; Destiny, Dream, Death, Destruction, Despair, Desire, and Delirium. The Endless are Wave Functions. Wave Functions are Functions in Infinite-Spatial Dimensions of a Brane Multiverse who act as ultimate Constants for every Dimension. Or at Destruction puts it so eloquently "patterns".

If I had to guess I would say that this is probably the old Marvel idea of "M-Bodies" of the Living Tribunal and the idea of Infinity being part of Multi-Infinity, Eternity being part of Multi-Eternity and so forth. These are simply the part seen from this "universe" in lower dimensional space.

*phew* Didn't expect this to be so long. I mostly meant this as a response and expansion of The Imaginary Axis' video on Multiverse Types and Marvel and DC. Hope you at least enjoyed this probably long and rambly blog.

VS Debating and the 7 Planes

7 Planes in the vs community:

If you’ve been in the Versus Community a while you’ve probably heard of the concept of verse equalization. This is why common arguments like “Bleach/Madoka characters are invisible if the opponent doesn’t have reiatsu/magic” are not applicable in common versus debates and why we assume characters can protect against certain haxes from another verse if they have shown a resistance to something like it. This is because these ideas are based on the same ideas, ideas formalized initially in Medieval Europe with the conception of the 7 planes. It is this idea, developed with modern Occultism and Mysticism (which frequently mix with high-end physics and metaphysics) that most haxes are based on. This blog will illustrate from the classical standpoint what it means to have powers on the plane, what those haxes and what should be expected to happen from their usage

Note however that the Rule 0 of debating occurs, an author can override any of this merely by stating “it works like this in my verse”. This is merely an analysis of the default nature of these planes based on their traditional conception, not meant to bind all fictions if they use these concepts differently.

Plane 1: Physical Plane

Associated Heavenly Sphere: Lunar Sphere

The Densest plane is the so-called “physical plane”, the plane of all that we observe with the 5 physical senses: Sight, Hearing, Smell, Taste, and Touch. To the materialist, this is all that exists, and everything on the higher planes are merely metaphors or analogies for physical existence.

It is this plane that our attention is drawn to, and what the vast majority of fiction is concerned with primarily. On each plane, save potentially the last one, each plane is divided into 2; The “Yang” Principle, which is Warmer, Masculine, Active and the “Yin” Principle which is Cooler, Feminine, Passive. However while these are seemingly opposite halves they really flow into one in separate whole, each giving meaning and definition to each other. On the Physical Plane, these Masculine and Feminine halves are Energy and Matter respectively. Matter is the Passive Phenomena, the series of interlocking atoms and molecular and chemicals that warps spacetime towards it with its cosmic gravitational field. Energy is the Active Phenomena, the waves of energy whose motions, quicker or slower, shape all the matter in the universe and create the charges of the powerful electromagnetic fields that penetrate through gravitational fields to bring change and possibility to an otherwise deterministic universe.

The truth of the matter is you can’t have matter or energy without the other in the same way that you can’t have a noun or an adjective without each other. Matter without energy is doing nothing. It’s not moving which is kinetic energy, it’s emanating heat which is thermal energy, it does not even ever have the potential to exist or take action as that would be potential energy. IT is similar to a noun that no adjective gives any description to (including opposite adjectives like existence and nonexistent), it’s similar an absurd concept. Likewise Energy without matter is describing the action of N/A. It is trying to describe the action of…..not even nothing/the void, it is an action without a subject, a metaphysical impossibility. It is like an adjective without a noun, it is simply not describing something.

In versus debating, controlling the physical plane means matter manipulation or energy manipulation. To control matter generally mean things like causing matter to shift at your will, or changing matter from one form to another. A Classic Example would be King Midas’s Golden Touch, where anything he touched to matter. Energy Manipulation generally means things like reflection energy back at the opponent, absorbing energy, or sometimes more exotic things like turning into energy (Although “pure” energy without matter as mentioned above is an impossibility) etc. An example of an energy manipulation in fiction is Queen Metallia from Sailor Moon who absorbs and drains the energy of the environment, rending it cold, dark and lifeless. However Matter-Energy Manipulation should theoretically be far more powerful then just this. If someone is a high enough level Matter-Energy manipulator, it should theoretically give them control of the 4 Fundamental Forces. These 4 Fundamental Forces:

Gravity: The Distortion of Spacetime caused by objects with Mass. Think of a heavy object on a bed and how the bed sinks down in the shape of the object….that is what objects with mass do to spacetime. Extremely Weak as a Fundamental Forces (By jumping you can overcome the gravity of the whole Earth) but makes up for it with Infinite Range. You are giving off a gravitational force on every object in the entire universe right now, though it is extremely small on distant galaxies.  

Electromagnetism: Governs the Energy Charges of Matter. Two Positive Charges Repel, Two Negative Charges Repel, One of Each will attract. Always moves at lightspeed (light is an electromagnetic wave). The Range and Strength are determined by the amount of energy. Even the movements of atoms are governed by electromagnetic charges, and these atoms and the sub-atomic phase space they govern, control probability of events.

Strong Nuclear Force: The Binding Force of the Atom. It is the reason that Protons, all positively charged, can be packed together in the nucleus of an atom against the will of Electromagnetism, the Strong Nuclear Force holds them there. It’s range is only that of the Atomic Nucleus but it is ridiculously strong, the strongest fundamental force. It is by the manipulation of this force that humanity accomplished splitting the atom…the immense power being released being the force of the atomic explosion. It is also this power that fuels nuclear factories.

Weak Nuclear Force: This is the hardest to explain. The Weak Nuclear Force causes a radioactive decay of components of the sub-atomic particles. This allows it to do something no other force can do, which is convert one form of particle into another. It is this decay and conversion that allows the Sun to shine and produce light/heat, since the production of these things in a star comes from this force. This force is also notable in that it was observed that it is was the only force that violated CP symmetry. What this means is essentially this is the reason that the “arrow of time” flies one way, why Entropy exists….the other 3 Fundamental Forces are all Time-Reversible while if the Weak Force does something, in a closed system, it is not reversible. It is the two nuclear forces used together that allows for the process of Atomic Fusion, the theoretical power source for the next decade which will supply the Earth with immense useable energy.

These Forces rule the Physical World and are in turned ruled by Matter and Energy.

A High-Level Gravity Manipulator could create miniature or full-size black holes, draw whatever wanted, even the whole universe, into a giant singularity, distort relative spacetime to give superspeed and reflexes or time travel into the future, repel all threats at the speed of light, or increase the mass of their fists to arbitrarily high mass.

A High-Level Electromagnetism Manipulator can move infinitely close to lightspeed, accelerate their punches to the same level to hit with arbitrary energy, shut down or reprogram peoples’ brains by manipulating the electro-magnetic currents, cause any two objects to repel or attract at lightspeed, or control the probability of an event by manipulating the energy of the atoms determining the event.

A High-Level Strong Force User can cause atomic explosions, or if they want cause every atom in an opponent’s body to spontaneously turn into their own atomic explosion, can form whole atoms by binding a bunch of floating protons together with the electrons automatically forming around them, which could be used to drain the energy of an environment in exchange for new mass or creating new objects…money, houses, people, worlds….they can be made by binding enough floating loose void protons together…and in a fight they can just restructure every atomic bond in the person’s bond, shifting every atom into something new.

A High-Level Weak Force User could do the most unpredictable thing in the world….by manipulating beta decay, they could form entirely new atoms. What this means is speculative but it would involve without question whole new elements and entirely new forms of matter. A Weak Force User with enough precision could also transmute matter from one form to another, although this would still need to obey the laws of entropy, that within a closed system, some energy would become unusable in the process meaning things could only change to certain other things.

To have full control of the Physical Plane, is to be a high-level energy-matter manipulator and consequently able to do ALL of these.

Before we move on from the Physical Plane I must discuss one more hax that seem related to the physical plane….spacetime manipulation. Spacetime are their own form of Yin-Yang Principle but relate strongly to the nature of planes themselves.

Let me start by saying a Dimension is simply a degree of separation between two things when they would otherwise be in the same place. If two points both exist, they are separate due to a line, a singular dimension. If two points would exist at the same place as each other on a line they are separated by a plane, a second dimension. If two points would exist at the same place on a plane, they are separated by a sphere, a third dimension. If two points would exist in the same place in spatial sphere, they are separated by the time they were there, a fourth dimension. If two points have no degree of separation, they are the same thing. What we call “Space” is a dimension we can move more or less freely in. What we call “Time” is a dimension we can’t move freely in. However they are effectively the same thing, which is why they merge together at c (the speed of light in a vacuum). Physical Dimensions represent degrees of separation of physical matter and energy. These Dimensions are the same spacetime as Higher Planes, but are experienced differently. Manipulations of spacetime mean different things on different planes, but on the physical plane, manipulations of spacetime means altering the separation between two or more bodies of mass-energy. Even Stopping Time entirely, is essentially just making the distance between all the bodies of mass-energy in one moment (the present moment) and the bodies of mass-energy in the next moment, and making that distinct infinite (or however long the Time Stop lasts)

Plane 1.5: Aether

While often considered along the planes, The Aether is not a proper plane. I should properly explain what a “plane” is. A Plane is a state of existence characterized by a certain level of consciousness. Aether is not in fact a state of counciousness or a form of existence. There is no classical Aetheric Body, well sorta but we’ll get into that. Also it is not an energy, though many in the New Age Culture will describe it as an energy if only because it is convenient to understand it’s effects. 

What the Aether actually is, is that it is the effects of the Higher Planes on our plane…it is how we measure and know the higher planes. In a way, we do have Aetheric Body….however this body is really the physical body with the effects of the higher plane noted on it.

The most common way of studying aether’s effect on the body is via the system of the 7 chakras developed in India, which links the 7 Planes to 7 places of body in order from the Groin chakra connected to the Physical Plane to the Crown chakra connected to the Monadic Plane.

Aether’s effect on the external world is also claimed to be measured in concepts like “leylines” “vortexes” and other such phenomena of the land.

Manipulation of Aether in Fiction is essentially the fictionalized version of “pressure points” and the like. More broadly, it would allow for a form of death manipulation, severing one’s body from all higher bodies. One could use Harry Potter’s “Avada Kevada” and Sailor Saturn’s “Power of Death” as examples of this.

Aether actually forms around oneself based on the position of one’s higher bodies, this flow creates what is called an “aura”.

Plane 2: Astral Plane:

Associated Heavenly Sphere: Mercurial Sphere

The Astral Body we have is what is commonly called “The Soul”. It is formed not from matter and energy, but from emotions, as is all the Astral Plane. The Astral Plane’s duality is the duality of the Masculine Will and The Feminine Desire.

Desire is the wanted things, the desire to attract things, which draws the Will which wants to actively attain them. Just as energy acts on matter, and the two are inseparable, Will acts on Desire and the two are inseparable. The Union of these two is generally what is referred to when fiction refers to someone’s Heart in some kind of symbolic way. While an Astral Being would inhabit the same spacetime as we do, to them this separation would be different. “Astral Space” is a separation of desire, two beings that have a separation of what is wanted to happen to them…they would inhabit different “places”, these places being the desires of each. “Astral Time” is a separation of will, two beings that have a separation of what they want to do. They act at a different “moment”, this moment being their individual wills. To share a Soul with someone, is to be of the same Desire and Will, the same emotive feeling and “Heart”.

From a versus standpoint, someone with astral plane manipulation is someone who has soul manipulation on a higher level. To manipulate just an individual’s astral plane correspondence would be direct soul manipulation.

To cut someone’s astral body away from their physical body….or “soul-stealing” would be to render their body as an inanimate object and leave the individual unable to interact with the physical plane. If one destroyed someone’s soul, it would cause one’s body to disappear, since the mass-energy that makes one’s physical body is merely an emanation of one’s will and desire to exist in the physical realm.

You could also be able to manipulate a specific section. Will Manipulation would be a manipulation of one’s Ability to Will themselves into active. Desire Manipulation would be a manipulation of one’s passive wants (including to survive for instance).

Plane 3: The Mental Plane

Associated Heavenly Sphere: Venusian Sphere

The Mental body is what we commonly call “The Mind”. It is not formed from matter and energy, but from thoughts. It is divided into the Masculine Logos and the Feminine Dream.

The Active Logos is the Rational Component of the Mind which divides things into sections and sub-sections. It is this section which helps us understand “possible” “impossible” “probable” “Improbable” and so forth.

The Passive Dream is the Emotional Component of the Mind that makes free associations between concepts that the structured Logos can’t make. It does not shape it’s externality, but is instead shaped by it, but manipulates it through being shaped. One’s Dream is the psychological associations one makes between two concepts.

In this way “Mental Space” would represent a separation of Dreams. Two Mental Beings inhabit “places” that represent the web of free associations they make. Conversely “Mental Time” would represent a degree of separation of Logos.  Two Mental Beings would act at a different “moment” that moment being what they divide the world into. To be of the same mind as someone is to share 

Both Logos and Dream with them.

From a versus standpoint, someone who has mental plane manipulation has mind manipulation on a higher level. To manipulate someone’s mental body only, is mental manipulation.

To cut someone’s mind away from their lower bodies, would leave their bodies inert and their souls unguided, acting it’s will and feeling desire at complete random. If one destroyed the mind of another, it would cause body and soul to cease to exist. If one could control Logos, one could manipulate someone’s ability to logically divide things into categories and leave them in a passive state. If one could control Dream, one could wreck an opponent’s ability to perceive connections or consider possible futures.

Plane 4: Unity/Buddhic/Ego Plane

Associated Heavenly Sphere: Solar Sphere

Very rarely used in fiction, this many-named plane is possibly so rare because it’s easy to confuse with the Mental Plane. The Unity Plane is the plane of pure consciousness, without thought, feeling, or form. This plane is the center plane and acts as the nexus between the higher planes and the lower planes. This is the plane where one realizes the illusory nature of the separation of self and other. Below are the planes of the Conscious and above are the planes of the Unconscious. The Body of this plane is called the “Ego”. This plane is divided into the Masculine Projection and the Feminine Shadow.

The Active Projection is the viewing of the internal psyche in the external cosmos. The Passive Shadow is the viewing of the external cosmos in the internal psyche.

“Ego Space” is a degree of separation between two Ego-counciousnesses with different shadows, effected differently by the external cosmos. “Ego Time” is the degree of separation of different Ego-consciousness seeing different parts of the internal world in the external cosmos. Two Beings who share Shadow and Projection are the same being.

From a versus standpoint, Manipulation on this plane is exceedingly rare. I know personally of only two examples of attacks on this plane. The first is the “Rikudo Rinne” of Virgo Shaka from Saint Seiya. This attack forces the affected to experience the 6 Worlds of Buddhist Reincarnation and forcing the victim to fall into one of them. The second is the “Omega Sanction” of Darkseid. This attack causes the victim to experience lifetime after lifetime, each progressively more drained of light and hope until the victim experiences nothing but despair and willingly serves Darkseid. An attack on this plane is an attack directly on the affected’s consciousness.

To cut someone’s ego away from their lower bodies, would leave their bodies inert, their souls unguided, acting it’s will and feeling desire at complete random, and their minds utterly lost in confusion, thinking thoughts without direction. If you destroyed the ego-consciousness of an individual, their mind, soul, and body would cease to exist. If one could manipulate the Projection, then one could manipulate another’s projection, causing them to see their own psyche in their external cosmos….this may be the “see your worst fear” cliché power. If one could manipulate the Shadow, then one could manipulate another’s psychological reaction to the cosmos, causing dread, misery, anger, horror, disgust, or any other reaction at any level to any external stimuli.

Plane 5: Spiritual Plane

Associated Heavenly Sphere: Martian Sphere

The Spiritual Body is what we commonly call The Spirit. The Spirit is the presence of the individual and all its effects. This is why speak of the spirit of the deceased with us. Everything has a Spirit, “The Spirit of the Era”, “The Spirit of the Land”, “The Spirit of the Law”, etc.  A Spirit refers to that thing’s presence and influence.

Spirit is formed of two elements, the Masculine Levitas, and the Feminine Gravitas. Levitas refers to the lightness of spirit, while Gravitas refers to the Heaviness of Spirit.

The Active Levitas refers to the active spirit, the presence that is constantly growing in scope. The Passive Gravitas refers to the passive spirit, the presence that is constantly growing deeper.

From a versus standpoint, spiritual attacks are attacks on one’s presence in the universe. To actually destroy one’s spirit is an almost unthinkably hard action, requiring one to destroy all of the opponent’s presence on the universe, including on oneself. If two enemies affect each other at all, which they must by nature of being in the same universe, then one needs to remove the influences of the enemy from oneself in order to destroy all of the enemies’ presence, their spirit. Essentially this kind of attack would require one to “Un-make” them, wiping them from cause-and-effect and leave not a single memory of them. Universal Reality-Warping at least.

Manipulation of just Levitas, can be used to make the target’s spirit unbearably light….basically make everyone act super super high. More seriously what it would do is make their spirit appear anywhere, even in places they don’t want it to be, such as associating it with evil things or painful things. Manipulation of just Gravitas can be used to make the target’s spirit unbearably heavy….sending them into a crippling depression…to the Medieval Occultists, “Depression” was a supreme excess of Gravitas in the spirit. One could use this to cause one’s spirit to become so deep that they no longer care about anything (or observe anything) or can affect anything exterior (making someone’s spirit TOO deep is the equivalent of putting their physical body in an extremely deep hole with no way to get out).  

Plane 6: The Abstract/Divine Plane

Associated Heavenly Body: The Jupiterian Sphere

The Abstract Body or Divine Body is what we call the “Concept”. It is one’s original concept, one’s Star Seed, one’s True Name, one’s Divine Spark, etc. The division is present at this plane, between Masculine Signifier and Feminine Signified but at this level it’s no longer REALLY relevant to speak of.

Abstract Concepts are referred to in what we call “WFFs” or “Well-Formed Formulations”. These can be anything you can possibly conjure up in your brain. Concepts fall into three categories, Contradictory (Are False in every Set), Tautological (Are True in every Set), and Contingent (True in at least 1 set and False in at least on Set).

Almost every concept you can think of is contingent. Love, War, Humanity, Death, etc. all are contingent. Contradictory Concepts, are generally paradoxical concepts like “Blue and Not-Blue” which can never be true and do not as of such exist. Tautological….we’ll get to.

From a versus standpoint, destroy one’s concept is essentially to destroy one completely. Abstract Plane Warfare essentially involves making the enemy “False” in as many sets as possible.  Each Universe is 1 Set, though a Set can be more or less then a universe.

One such Universe is the Empty Universe, the Empty Set. If you reduce your opponent to “nothing”, they their concept will be “True” in the empty set since nothing “exists” in the empty set. To destroy an opponent conceptually counter-intuitively requires “ADDING” to them, forcing their concept to be paradoxical such as adding the clause “Cannot be in any set” to their concept. To imagine Abstract Warfare, imagine both of your sides are wooden ships trying to cause the other ship to sink. Most clauses are like throwing wadded up pieces of paper on the other ship, while clauses that are like getting a cannonball into their hull.

Generally to destroy someone conceptually requires multiversal reality-warping. It may seem that conceptual manipulation is the most powerful form of manipulation possible since it can alter any possible rule of how things work, but there is one plane higher.

Plane 6.5: The Absolute

At the Boundary of the Sixth and Seventh Plane there exists the Tautologies. Concepts true in every universe. One example of this is “Blue or Not-Blue”. That is true. Everything is Blue or Not-Blue. Even the empty set is Not-Blue. Logically there cannot be something that is not blue and not Not-Blue since Not-Blue is anything not blue.

Many great philosophers have quarreled over whether numbers are tautologies. Does 2+2=4 in a universe with less than 4 things?

At this level we have something called the Absolute Properties. An Absolute Property is when the property “Absolute” is added to any other property creating “The Form” of that thing. If something is absolute that means it acts ad axiom as that thing.

From a versus standpoint, essentially EVERY NLF is a misapplied “Absolute” Property. Let me take a classic example… “Perfect Attack” and “Perfect Defense” from Exalted. Perfect Defense blocks any attack, Perfect Attack automatically hits past any defense except Perfect Defense. Now Perfect Attack is OBVIOUSLY not absolute since Perfect Defense protects against it.

However neither are actually absolute since both are only in the context of one set (Exalted). An actual Absolute Property is true regardless of context, meaning it is nigh-impossible to use in a versus community though there is one way which I will explain later.

THEOLOGICAL WARNING: The following is going to go into very deep mystical metaphysical knowledge rooted in Kabbalah. In Jewish Tradition one should not study Kabbalah until the age of 40 and in the past it was even forbidden too. The knowledge below can supposedly bring depression, meaningless, mania, obsessiveness, and a host of other problems if one is not prepared. It can also cause spontaneous enlightenment.  

Plane 7: The Monadic/Logoic/Absolute Plane

Associated Heavenly Sphere: Saturnian Sphere

This plane is also not used much, though more than the Ego Plane. To even describe this plane is difficult, but as best as can be explained this plane is about the relation of the final duality which does not really exist, that of one-ness and zero-ness.  Keter and Ein Sof.

To understand these two concepts you must consider the ideas of one-ness and zero-ness for a moment, supposed Tao and Nirvana.

From the perspective of one-ness there is 1 without division. There can be no traits of this one-ness because that would be an additional THING for there to be more than one. There is 1, nothing else.

From the perspective of zero-ness there can be not even that. There can’t even be a zero-ness, it is a paradoxical concept that cannot be for it would cause itself to not be.

Imagine if Zero-ness was and be being there was one-ness, and because there was Zero and 1, there was 2, and because there was 0, 1 and 2, there was 3. This process applied to all numbers until there were so many that all existence was spelled out in their relations. That is creation from the divine perspective.

This plane is called the Hyperplane for it defines the natures of all the lower planes….on this plane the infinitely active 1 acts upon the infinite passive 0 to create all the infinities and finites and everything else forming all things.

It is the revelation of this plane that shows we are paradoxically part of 1 and 0 at the same time, every action infinitely meaningful and meaningless. In 1 and 0 there is nothing distinct of us from everything else. We are part of the self-contemplation of the being of paradoxical nothing-ness.

From a versus standpoint, there actually is a hax that sort of sums up absolute-ness and the Monadic Plane….Metafictional Manipulation. Manipulating one’s own fictional medium is a pretty good representation of the nature of the Hyperplane, for it is a control of the layer of reality that is truly is supreme and also encapsulates all the other planes. 

Magical Girls that have been turned evil

This is my list off the top of my head of every time a Magical Girl has been turned evil, due to a thing that came up in a chat I was in.

Warning, there will be spoilers. Also this doesn't count if they started off evil, just if they were good and then become evil.

All the Sailor Senshi in Sailor Moon except Moon and Chibi-Moon:


were turned into the Galactica Senshi.


In PGSM, Sailor Mercury:


was turned into Dark Mercury:


Sara the Orange Pearl Princess:


turned evil.

Warrior Pudding (NSFW series):


turned into Dark Pudding:



Homura:


became the Devil:



Cure White:


was briefly mind-controlled:



I think that's it for series I know.

Quick Calc: Crimson Spell Dragon Flame

Crimson Spell is a totally normal Medevil Fantasy Manga ;)

It is said a Dragon can evaporate a whole lake.

To be a lake it needs to be at least 2 acres. That's 8,093.71 Meters Squared. Even if I lowball it to 2 Meter deep average that makes it 16,187.42 meters cubed.

That's 17,187,420 kilograms of water.

It takes 22,570 Joules to Evaporate 1 Kilogram of water.

All together that's 387,920,069,400 Joules or ~92.7 Tons of TNT. High-End City-Block Level. 

DCEU Respect Thread (Man of Steel, Batman vs. Superman, and Suicide Squad)

Warning general spoilers for the DCEU abound.

I have rewatched all the DCEU and compiled feats for the entirety. Times are approximate.

DCEU Feats

Aquaman

Aquaman’s movements underwater create giant water bursts (BVS 2:01:25)

Batman

Batsuit:

Batsuit tanks point-blank bullets (BVS 2:17:55)

Batman’s wrist guards block knives (BVS 2:18:05)

Batman deflects bullets off his greaves (SS 13:17)

Batman’s Batsuit protects him and Martha Kent from a flamethrower (BVS 2:19:20)

Speed:

Batman moving too fast for a police to get a good shot (BVS 23:10)

Batman moves at speed comparable to Doomsdays’ energy pulse (BVS 2:32:33)

Skill:

Batman has fought crime for 20 years (BVS 1:12:20)

Bruce Wayne training montage, showing how strong he is (BVS 1:38:00-1:39:05)

Batman fights off a bunch of gun-wielding criminals (BVS 2:17:20)

Batman duels with 4 criminals at once (BVS 2:17:40)

Zipline:

Batman Zipline (BVS 2:16:30)

Batman shows more zipline prowess (SS 13:22)

Batman Zipline combat (BVS 2:16:40-2:17:00)

Batman’s Zipline is strong enough to launch wooden crates (BVS 2:17:30)

Batman ziplines away from Doomsday and attacks (BVS 2:35:25-2:35:45)

Other Gadgets:

Batman has smoke bombs (BVS 23:16)

Batman’s electrical turrets are powerful enough to hurt Superman (BVS 2:03:33)

Batman places devices on criminal’s guns to get them to malfunction and knock them back (BVS 2:16:32)

Batman’s famous Batarang (BVS 2:17:01)

Armored Mode:

Kryptonite Weakened Superman throws Armored Batman through a wall (BVS 2:06:50)

Superman throws Armored Batman through a series of Walls (BVS 2:07:43)

Superman throws Armored Batman down to a roof so hard it smashes a concrete wall (BVS 2:05:50)

Superman tackles Armored Batman through a building (BVS 2:04:43)

Armored Batman is strong enough to send someone through a lot of concrete pillars with his zipline (BVS 2:10:10)

Batmobile

Batmobile can send other cars flying via ramming (BVS 1:15:15)

Batmobile tears through a building (BVS 1:17:42)

Batmobile brings down a ship (BVS 1:18:05)

Batmobile tanks bullets (BVS 1:16:10)

Batmobile can tank machine gun bullets (BVS 1:16:40)

Batmobile hooks can yank around whole cars (BVS 1:16:00)

Batmobile has its own guns (BVS 1:18:12)

Batmobile has missiles (BVS 1:18:25)

Batplane:

Batplane (BVS 2:15:10)

Batplane keeps pace with Doomsday’s Heat Vision (BVS 2:29:05)

Batplane Gatling gun (BVS 2:15:20)

Batplane has drone mode (BVS 2:15:45)

Captain Boomerang

Physical:

Captain Boomerang survives the Lightning movement of the Flash crashing into him (SS 15:00)

The Suicide Squad all survive a crazy helicopter crash landing (SS 49:50)

Captain Boomerang physically beat up some ES (SS 55:40)

Suicide Squad can dodge the tendrils of Incubus (SS 1:35:55)

Skill:

Captain Boomerang robbed every bank in Australia at least once (SS 14:43)

Gear:

Captain Boomerang’s knife slices through an ES’s head (SS 55:45)

Captain Boomerang can remotely spy with his boomerangs (SS 1:29:45)

Diablo

Physical:

Diablo survives being kicked across a room by Incubus (SS 1:37:20)

The Suicide Squad all survive a crazy helicopter crash landing (SS 49:50)

Suicide Squad can dodge the tendrils of Incubus (SS 1:35:55)

Fire-Potency:

El Diablo got jumped in a prison riot and incinerated half the yard (SS 15:30)

Casual Wall of Flame from El Diablo (SS 15:34)

El Diablo’s Wall of Flame in more detail (SS 24:08)

Angered El Diablo mass-incinerates ES (SS 1:04:48-1:05:00)

Diablo’s fire works on Incubus (SS 1:37:15)

Fire-Control:

El Diablo creates a picture of a woman out of flame in his palm (SS 15:20)

El Diablo made a floating crown of fire for himself (SS 24:12)

El Diablo makes the word “Bye” in flame (SS 25:00)

El Diablo creates an image of the Devil (SS I think) in flame (SS 57:52)

Demon Form:

Diablo’s Demon Form wrecks Incubus (SS 1:37:45)

Diablo’s Demon Form melt a hole through Incubus (SS 1:38:25)

Deadshot

Physical

Deadshot takes a brief beating from Batman without much ill effect (SS 8:15)

The Suicide Squad all survive a crazy helicopter crash landing (SS 49:50)

Deadshot hurts Enchantress with a punch (SS 1:41:30)

Speed

Suicide Squad can dodge the tendrils of Incubus (SS 1:35:55)

Skill

Deadshot regularly trains physically while in prison (SS 0:33)

Deadshot is lethal from 4,000 meters (SS 5:18)

Deadshot is proficient in all manner of guns, including Muskets (SS 5:20)

Deadshot is the most wanted hitman in the world (SS 5:22)

Deadshot with 1 second casually pulls off a trickshot, ricocheting a bullet into a target’s head (SS 6:40)

Deadshot is the man who never misses (SS 8:58)

They say Deadshoot has never missed a shot (SS 25:30)

Deadshot is so precise that he can fire bullet after bullet and keep hitting the same shot (SS 27:10-27:25)

Gear

Deadshot’s eye goggle increases his sight (SS 54:00)

Deadshot blasts dozens of ES to death, without missing once, generally killing each with just one bullet (SS 56:42-57:17)

Deadshot’s arm-gear holds against the Blades of Enchantress (SS 1:41:25)

Deadshot’s arm-gear holds against the Blades of Enchantress again (SS 1:41:59)

Doomsday

Physically:

Doomsday can leap city blocks (BVS 3:23:30)

Doomsday began moving almost immediately after being hit by a nuke and then falling back down to Earth from Outer Space (BVS 2:27:50)

Doomsday was still going after being hit by a kryptonite gas grenade by Batman and then being stabbed by a kryptonite spear (BVS 2:38:00)

Doomsday regrows his hand (BVS 2:36:50)

Energy Manipulation:

Everytime you hit Doomsday, you make it more powerful (BVS 2:28:35)

Doomsday’s Awakening causes Metropolis to go dark (BVS 2:21:05)

Doomsday unleashed a multi-city block scale energy pulse (BVS 2:25:00)

Doomsday Created an energy pulse that covered a significant portion of the planet as to be seen from space (BVS 2:28:20)

Doomsday’s Heat Vision overcomes Superman’s (BVS 2:34:29)

Enchantress

General Nature

Enchantress is a “sorcerer from another dimension” (SS 16:35)

Enchantress is a metahuman stronger than any Waller has encountered (SS 17:15)

Enchantress is an extra-dimensional entity (SS 17:20)

Enchantress is age 6373 (SS 17:20)

Durability

Enchantress tanks Harley’s bat (SS 1:41:45)

Enchantress tanks bullets from Deadshot (SS 1:42:15)

Psionics

Enchantress can create convincing illusions (SS 32:23)

Enchantress can sense presences (SS 1:33:32)

Enchantress can show people illusions of their heart’s desires (SS 1:34:30-1:35:00)

Enchantress telekinetically grabs Suicide Squad’s weapons away from them (SS 1:42:30)

Teleportation

Enchantress teleports to Tehran and gets secret documents (SS 21:20-21:30)

Enchantress Teleport spam (SS 1:40:30)

Assimilation

Enchantress can possess people (SS 17:25)

Enchantress can convert people into one of her spawn (SS 59:28)

Storm

Enchantress summons a machine to wipe out the humans (SS 40:45)

Enchantress’s darkness will spread across the world (SS 1:39:45)

Enchantress creates lighting so fast is almost immediately hits a space satellite (SS 1:40:05)

Enchantress’ Darkness spreads across the world (SS 1:40:10)

Enchantress’ Storm creates lighting bursts so powerful they one-shot military complexes (SS 1:40:15)

Enchantress’s storm was laying waste to the whole world (SS 1:41:00)

Weak Point

Enchantress’s heart is her weak point (SS 21:53)

Despite it being her weak point, Enchantress survives multiple stabs to her heart (SS 39:50)

Enchantress Spawn

Physical Status

Bullets were having almost no effect on Enchantress-Spawns (SS 54:36-54:40)

Close Range Pistol Shots were not affecting ES (SS 56:04)

ES can take a headshot and still fight (SS 1:09:25)

ES are agile enough to swing down into an elevator (SS 1:01:45)

ES can fight underwater (SS 1:36:40)

Mental Status

ES are smart enough to use weapons (SS 1:03:25)

ES are capable of using guns (SS 1:04:25)

Faora:

Strength:

Faora hurls Superman far (MOS 1:33:45)

Faora is stronger than Superman (MOS 1:33:30)

Faora leaps through a plane explosion (MOS 1:33:00)

Movement:

Faora is faster than Superman (MOS 1:33:23)

Faora Blitzes (MOS 1:36:10)

Faora slide-dodges Superman’s jump-charge (MOS 1:34:10)

Flash

The Flash appears in a streak of lightning (SS 14:54)

The Flash moves so fast camera have a hard time picking him up (BVS 2:00:50)

The Flash creates electrical surges with his movements (BVS 20:00:50)

The Flash’s movement creates lightning (SS 14:59)

General Zod:

Physical:

Zod casually hurls a car (MOS 1:29:25)

Zod kicks a Lexcorp Gasoline truck at Superman (MOS 2:03:33)

Zod punches Superman far into the air (MOS 2:04:05)

Zod flings Superman through multiple buildings (MOS 2:06:00)

Zod gets the upper hand on Superman in a fist fight (MOS 2:03:45)

Movement:

Zod and Superman fight into Space (MOS 2:06:15)

Heat Vision:

Zod has Heat Vision (MOS 2:02:47)

Skill:

Zod was bred to be a warrior, and trained his entire life (MOS 2:04:45-2:05:00)

General Zod forcibly gets control of his senses (MOS 1:47:45)

Zod learns Flight despite less than 24 hours on Earth (MOS 2:05:10)

Harley Quinn

Physical

Harley Quinn can seemingly break limbs with just her natural strength (SS 36:42)

Harley outmuscles an ES (SS 1:01:55)

Despite being in a car that nose-dives into water and hits rock underwater, and being crashed through the front window, seemingly unconscious underwater, Harley Quinn still tries to kill Batman with a knife (SS 13:55)

Harley falls quite a distance and is fine (SS 1:15:23)

The Suicide Squad all survive a crazy helicopter crash landing (SS 49:50)

Joker and Harley Quinn can survive a vat of acidic chemicals (SS 1:07:47)

Movement

Harley Quinn moves in the same shot as Machine Gun Fire. (SS 1:12:30)

Suicide Squad can dodge the tendrils of Incubus (SS 1:35:55)

Harley grabs Katana’s sword and blitzes her taking her heart (SS 1:43:55)

Harley Quinn is acrobatic (SS 1:37)

Harley Quinn fights 3 ES acrobatically (SS 1:03:45)

Skill

Harley Quinn put 5, presumably armed, guards in the hospital (SS 2:45)

Harley Quinn procures a Machine Gun and gets it to the Joker before his escape (SS 9:55)

Gear

Harley’s Gun was blasting through Enchantress-Spawns (SS 55:08)

Harley Quinn was beating up an ES with her bat (SS 55:35)

Harley easily bats to death some ES (SS 56:20)

Personality

Harley Quinn is crazier and more fearless then the Joker himself (SS 13:13)

Incubus

Physical Power:

Incubus lifts cars (SS 41:10)

Incubus tears through a train without effort (SS 36:08)

Incubus Tendrils tears through stone pillars (SS 39:22)

Incubus tendril easily stabs through a car (SS 40:55)

Incubus tendrils knocks helicopters out of the sky and does massive damage to buildings (SS 41:15)

Incubus presumably destroyed a large bridge (SS 48:44)

Incubus tanks bullets (SS 39:20)

Form:

Incubus regrows his hand (SS 1:37:00)

Incubus can absorb people (SS 35:45)

Incubus can absorb electrical energy (SS 36:00)

Joker

The Joker has a sh*tton of weapons (SS 30:10)

The Joker via unknown means survive a helicopter explosion (SS 1:15:32)

Joker and Harley Quinn can survive a vat of acidic chemicals (SS 1:07:47)

Jor-El:

Jor-El beats up some other Kryptonians (MOS 4:30-4:45)

Jor-El fights well against Dru-Zod (MOS 12:50-13:30)

Katana

Katana’s blade was cleaving through Enchantress-Spawns (SS 55:00)

Katana slashes ES in half (SS 1:03:36)

Katana cuts off a hand of Incubus (SS 1:36:55)

Katana can cut the rest of Suicide Squad with one sword stroke “just like moving the lawn” (SS 47:46)

Katana’s sword traps the souls of it’s victims (SS 47:56)

The Suicide Squad all survive a crazy helicopter crash landing (SS 49:50)

Katana dodges a boomerang from Captain Boomerang (SS 51:15)

Suicide Squad can dodge the tendrils of Incubus (SS 1:35:55)

Killer Croc

Origin

For Killer Croc, evolution took a step backwards (SS 15:47)

Lifting Strength

Killer Croc can easily knock aside Armed Soldiers (SS 16:17)

Killer Croc threw an Enchantress Spawn dozens of feet away (SS 55:22)

Again, Killer Croc knocks an ES dozens of feet away (SS 55:32)

Killer Croc throws around Enchantress and does damage to her (SS 1:42:20-1:42:30)

Striking Strength

Killer Croc was strong enough to physically damage Enchantress-Spawns (SS 55:20)

A Solid Punch from Killer Croc bursts an Enchantress Spawn’s head open (SS 55:30)

Killer Croc tears an ES’s head off (SS 1:04:03)

Durability

The Suicide Squad all survive a crazy helicopter crash landing (SS 49:50)

Bite

Killer Croc can bite through armor (SS 16:20)

Skill

Killer Croc is an experienced Crocodile Wrestler (SS 15:59)

Despite his natural abilities, Killer Croc does train regularly (SS 23:12)

Speed

Killer Croc moves in the same shot as Machine Gun Fire. Possibly Superhuman Speed (SS 1:12:25)

Eyesight

Killer Croc’s eyes glow….can see in the dark? (SS 15:57)

Nam-Ek:

Nam-Ek Damages Superman significantly with physical strikes (MOS 1:34:15)

Rick Flag

Colonel Rick Flag is “the finest Special Ops. Agent this nation has ever produced” (SS 18:13)

Rick Flag elbows an ES to death (SS 55:55)

The Suicide Squad all survive a crazy helicopter crash landing (SS 49:50)

Rick Flag moves in the same shot as Machine Gun Fire. (SS 1:12:29)

Suicide Squad can dodge the tendrils of Incubus (SS 1:35:55)

Slipknot

Slipknot…the man who can climb….ANYTHING (SS 43:00)

The Suicide Squad all survive a crazy helicopter crash landing (SS 49:50)

Superman:

Strength:

Teenage Superman pushes a bus (MOS 27:35)

A Casual tap from Superman sends Batman flying (BVS 2:03:45)

Superman holds up a steel tower (MOS 22:07)

Superman crashes through a mountain (MOS 50:15)

Superman smashes Zod through a stone pillar (MOS 1:29:36)

Superman knocks Faora through a building (MOS 1:34:02)

Superman throws Nam-Ek into trains causing them to collapse and explode (MOS 1:37:00)

Superman rams the World Engine with so much force as to cause the whole thing to explode, which he survives (MOS 1:54:35)

Superman Shifts Earth’s Plate, prevents devastating Earthquake (BVS 34:20)

Superman pierces through the Hull of Zod’s ship (MOS 1:56:50)

Superman has the strength to break Zod’s neck (MOS 2:07:40)

Durability:

Superman is flameproof (MOS 21:25)

Kryptonite-Weakened Superman after being hit in the head with a sink, being dropped down several stories, is then knocked through several concrete pillars (BVS 2:10:10)

Superman gets hit by a train (MOS 1:37:40)

A Weakened Injured Superman fights through the Gravity Beam, a beam capable of terraforming the Entire Earth (MOS 1:53:55)

Superman after being weakened by Kryptonite, and hit with a nuke, survives and is ready to fight after being regenerated by the Sun’s rays (BVS 2:30:10)

Superman and Wonder Woman’s Shield block Doomsday’s Energy Pulse (BVS 2:32:5

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Movement:

Superman catches a person falling from a helicopter close to ground (MOS 1:35:37)

Superman catches up to a falling Escape Pod with Lois in it (MOS 1:26:50-1:27:10)

Superman flies from the Southern Indian Ocean to Metropolis in a few minutes (MOS 1:56:45)

Superman flies from Gotham to Juarez in less than 17 seconds (BVS 52:50-53:07)

You can see Superman’s movement in the same shot as lightning (MOS 1:48:40)

Superman zips into Space and Back (MOS 52:10-52:25)

Zod and Superman fight into Space (MOS 2:06:15)

Superman can take Doomsday up into space (BVS 2:25:45)

Weakened and Injured Superman flies through the Gravity Beam (MOS 1:54:20)

Superman overcomes the pull of a Singularity (MOS 1:59:40)

Superman outpaces Zod’s ship, which should be comparable to his ship which rapidly flew from Saturn to Earth (MOS 1:56:45)

Heat Vision:

Superman Heat Visions a tunnel through the ice (MOS 37:45)

Superman’s Heat Vision works on Nam-Ek and Faora (MOS 1:35:03)

Superman’s Heat Vision works on Zod’s ship (MOS 1:57:10)

Enhanced Senses:

Superman has x-ray vision from a young age (MOS 23:07)

Graphic Depiction of Superman’s super-senses even from young age (MOS 23:25)

Superman uses X-Ray Vision and Heat Vision to cauterize a wound (MOS 41:15-41:25)

Superman has telescopic vision (MOS 1:02:55)

Clark Kent hears Bruce Wayne’s secret transmissions to Alfred (BVS 48:00)

Superman’s Super-Hearing allows him to hear Lois trapped (BVS 2:34:35)

Skill:

Superman fights tactically, over-exposing Zod’s senses (MOS 1:30:30)

Superman fights Nam-Ek and Faora at once (MOS 1:34:45-1:34:57)

Other:

Superman was weaker around the World Engine (MOS 1:46:10)

Wonder Woman

Physically

Wonder Woman is ageless (BVS 1:40:00)

Wonder Woman superleaps (BVS 2:33:05)

Doomsday and Wonder Woman go fisticuffs (BVS 2:33:45)

Doomsday knocks Wonder Woman back, no effect on her (BVS 2:33:53)

Skill:

At least 100 years of likely combat experience

Wonder Woman has killed things from other worlds before (BVS 2:32:05)

Wonder Woman was enjoying the battle against Doomsday (BVS 2:36:35)

Bracers

Wonder Woman’s Bracers protect against Doomsday’s Heat Vision (BVS 2:30:50)

By knocking her bracers together Wonder Woman creates a sonic attack that pushes back Doomsday (BVS 2:31:05)

Lasso of Truth

Wonder Woman’s Lasso of Truth holds Doomsday (BVS 2:37:30)

Shield

Wonder Woman’s Shield block Doomsday’s Energy Pulse (BVS 2:32:53)

Sword

Wonder Woman’s Sword Cuts Doomsday (BVS 2:33:25)

Wonder Woman’s Blade sliced off Doomsday’s hand (BVS 2:36:40)

Krypton:

Longevity:

The Kryptonians lasted hundreds of thousands of years (MOS 46:15)

The Kryptonian Archives contains information from a thousand different worlds (BVS 1:37:55)

Battle Armor:

Kryptonian Battle Armor has these Blades which can cut through Kryptonian Battle Armor (MOS 14:15-14:20)

Kryptonian Battle Armor Tanks Bullets (MOS 1:36:03)

Ground Combat Technology:

Kryptonian Energy Guns can vaporize people (MOS 3:15)

Kryptonian Battle Drone hurts Superman (MOS 38:45)

Space Technology:

Kryptonian Technology is so advanced that they can send people into Black Holes without them dying (MOS 16:10-16:17)

Kryptonian Technology….creates a Black Hole to send people to the Phantom Zone (MOS 17:45-18:08)

Kryptonian Space Pod emerges outside Saturn and reaches Earth within a day’s time (MOS 19:30-20:00)

Zod’s ship traveled across an ocean of stars (MOS 1:04:35)

Kryptonians have control over the electromagnetic field (MOS 1:05:30)

Kryptonians can teleport ships through dimensions (MOS 1:18:45)

Zod’s Ship’s Laser harms and knocks back Superman (MOS 1:30:53)

World Engine:

World Engine can move at mach 24 (MOS 1:42:20)

World Engine impact creates huge debris (MOS 1:42:40)

The Force of the World Engine creates a massive shockwave (MOS 1:44:00)

This Diagram suggests the World Engine is massive and also the area immediately affected is massive (MOS 1:44:36)

The World Engine’s Power was creating a storm around it (MOS 1:48:37)

The World Engine automatically protects itself (MOS 1:49:00)

Mind Technology:

Kryptonians can upload their consciousness (MOS 45:00)

Kryptonian Technology allows translation into many different world languages (MOS 1:04:00)

Kryptonians can directly send messages to the brain (MOS 1:17:45)

Kryptonians have mind-reading technology (MOS 1:28:07)

Genetic Manipulation:

Kryptonians can bond genetic codes to individual cells and extract them even if the organism is dead (MOS 1:40:35)

Kryptonians can use their control of genes to create Doomsday monsters (BVS 1:41:25)

General DCEU

The Destruction of Krypton (MOS 19:10)

The DCEU Already has Prisons for Metahumans (SS 0:25)

Spectre Reference? (SS 1:15)

Summary

Aquaman

• ·         Water Manipulation
• ·         Super-Speed
• ·         Trident

Batman

• ·         Wall Level Base
• ·         Superhuman Speed, Likely Relativistic to FTL Reflexes
• ·         Highly Skilled Fighter
• ·         Various Gadgets: Zipline, Smoke Bombs, Electronic-Shorting out Devices, Batarangs, Turrens, Batmobile, Batplane
• ·         Armored Batman is Low Building Level
• ·         High Intelligence

Captain Boomerang

• ·         Superhuman Strength, Wall Level with Weapons
• ·         Superhuman Durability
• ·         Superhuman Speed
• ·         Highly Skilled
• ·         Standard Equipment: Knife, Boomerang with sensors that can be used to spy, Pink Unicorn Plushie

Diablo

• ·         Normal Human Strength
• ·         Wall to Low Building Level Fire (Fire can be controlled to create images)
• ·         Superhuman Durability
• ·         Superhuman Speed
• ·         Demon Form-Building Level DC/Durability

Deadshot

• ·         Wall Level Strength, Wall+ Level Bullets
• ·         Superhuman Durability
• ·         Superhuman Speed
• ·         Standard Equipment: Gun, Accuracy-Enhancing Goggle, Arm-Gear
• ·         Highly Skilled, Especially in Shooting Accuracy

Doomsday

• ·         Island Level Strength
• ·         Island Level Durability
• ·         Likely Relativistic to FTL Speed
• ·         Energy Absorption
• ·         Energy Pulses
• ·         Regeneration
• ·         Heat Vision

Enchantress

• ·         Multi-Continent Level DC with Prep, Unknown without, Possibly Low Building Level based on Incubus
• ·         Wall Level+ Durability
• ·         Superhuman Speed, Massively Hypersonic Attack Speed
• ·         Teleportation
• ·         Illusions
• ·         Telekinesis
• ·         Can turn people into one of her spawn
• ·         Possession
• ·         Summoning (Summoned her machine)
• ·         Weak Point-Heart

Enchantress Spawn

• ·         Unknown DC, Potentially Superhuman
• ·         Wall Level Durability
• ·         More Agile then Normal Humans
• ·         Don’t seem to need to breathe, can fight normally underwater
• ·         Smart enough to use weapons

Faora

• ·         City Level Strength at Least
• ·         City Level Strength at Least
• ·         Likely Relativistic to FTL Speed, Agile Fighter
• ·         Enhanced Senses but does not have control of it
• ·         Super-Leaping
• ·         Can Survive in a Vacuum

Flash

• ·         Potentially FTL Speed
• ·         Electricity Projection
• ·         Seeming Time Travel Abilities

General Zod

• ·         City Level Strength at Least
• ·         City Level Durability at Least
• ·         Likely Relativistic to FTL Speed
• ·         Heat Vision
• ·         Super Senses
• ·         Highly Skilled Fighter
• ·         Can Survive in a Vacuum

Harley Quinn

• ·         Wall Level Physically Strength
• ·         Superhuman Durability
• ·         Superhuman Speed, possibly higher (sliced Enchantress and took her heart before she could react), Acrobatic Fighter
• ·         Skilled Fighter
• ·         Standard Equipment: Joker Gun, Bat

Incubus

• ·         Low Building Level Strength
• ·         Low Building Level Durability
• ·         Likely Superhuman Speed
• ·         Regeneration
• ·         Absorption (Can Absorb Matter and Energy)

Joker

• ·         Likely Wall Level Physically Strength
• ·         Superhuman Durability
• ·         Likely Superhuman Speed
• ·         Likely Skilled Fighter
• ·         Manipulator
• ·         Standard Equipment: Knives, Guns, Potentially Explosives

Jor-El:

• ·         Low Building Level Blade with Battle Armor, Likely City to Island Level+ on Earthlike Planet
• ·         Low Building Level with Battle Armor, Likely City to Island Level+ on Earthlike Planet
• ·         Peak Human Speed, Likely Massively Hypersonic+ on Earthlike Planet
• ·         Super-Intellect
• ·         Highly Skilled Fighter
• ·         Other Kryptonian Powers after enough time on Earthlike Planet

Katana

• ·         Wall Level Strength, Sword ignores Physical Durability
• ·         Superhuman Durability
• ·         Superhuman Speed
• ·         Highly Skilled Fighter
• ·         Standard Equipment: Soul-Stealing Sword

Killer Croc

• ·         Wall Level Strength
• ·         Superhuman Durability
• ·         Peak Human Speed, Possibly Superhuman Speed on Land, Superhuman underwater
• ·         Can fight normally underwater
• ·         Can Bite through Armor
• ·         Skilled Fighter
• ·         Seems to have Night-vision

Nam-Ek:

• ·         Likely City Level Strength at Least
• ·         Likely City Level Durability at Least
• ·         Likely Relativistic to FTL Speed
• ·         Enhanced Senses, but does not have control of it
• ·         Super-Leaping
• ·         Can Survive in a Vacuum

Rick Flag

• ·         Wall Level Strength
• ·         Superhuman Durability
• ·         Superhuman Speed
• ·         Standard Equipment: Gun

Slipknot

• ·         Can climb anything

Superman:

• ·         Island Level Strength
• ·         Island Level Durability
• ·         Relativistic to FTL Speed
• ·         Flight
• ·         Heat Vision comparable to Strength
• ·         Super-Senses
• ·         Skilled Fighter
• ·         Can Survive in a Vacuum

Wonder Woman

• ·         Island Level Strength
• ·         Island Level Durability
• ·         Relativistic to FTL
• ·         Super-Leaping
• ·         Bracers-Sonic Attack
• ·         Standard Equipment: Bracers, Lasso of Truth, Sword, Shield
• ·         Agelessness
• ·         Skilled Fighter

Rough Tier List

Tier 1:

Doomsday

Superman

Wonder Woman

Tier 2:

General Zod (Earth)

Faora

Nam-Ek

Tier 3:

Enchantress

Tier 4:

Incubus

Diablo (Demon Form)

Tier 5:

Batman (Armored Form)

Katana

Jor-El (Battle Armor)

General Zod (Krypton, Battle Armor)

Diablo (Angered)

Tier 6:

Batman (Normal)

Deadshot

Killer Croc

Harley Quinn

Captain Boomerang

Rick Flag

Tier 7:

Enchantress Spawn

Tier 8:

Slipknot

Too Much Speculation:

Aquaman

Flash

Joker