Thursday, July 18, 2019

Axis Powers Hetalia-Verse Strategy Guide


How to be OP in Axis Powers Hetalia

Axis Powers Hetalia is a universe where each of the countries manifests as a person whose interactions run parallel to the real world political events going on the world. Physically speaking, the Countries don't seem very strong, only about building level at most generally.

However the Countries are actually immortal so long as their countries exist. They also have the ability to kill each other, hitting on the conceptual level causing effects on the country scale. This is itself parallel to countries in real life "destroying" each other.

The Countries also have subsonic speed and relativistic reaction and attack speed (as they can all dodge attacks of light). 

Thus the verse has hundreds (there are nearly 200 countries, and micronations also qualify giving a much larger amount) of conceptual entities that can hit concepts and have relativistic reactions/attack speed.

In addition the countries will demonstrate traits or abilities related to the characteristics of the country. England for instead can demonstrate powerful black magic such as age-changing, curses, spiritual summoning and so on and Russia can deflect magic, change the weather, and imbue fear on those nearby.

All the countries possess a vast amount of experience, including in combat, due to their massive lifespan. 

However the verse also has a number of weaknesses. Firstly the countries health and condition are tied to the state of their nations, and they will die if their nation if destroyed. The author has noted that for instance harsh weather can make the country sick and weakened, as can economic recession. This means that a very strong weather manipulator or someone who can manipulate a countries people very well would likely do strong.

Another thing is while the countries have very fast reaction/attack speed, their actual movement speed is fairly low, meaning highly mobile builds, especially things like teleportation would likely do very well. This would also be very helpful getting past the neutral countries country-wide forcefield. 

Also...related to a point above, the countries are rather goofy as befitting a comedy series and also not prone to focusing or working together. Even when the Pictonians nearly destroyed their planet, they were having difficulty coordinating with each other and each tried to fight them individually at first. This also means generally unpredictable characters would also likely have a bit of an advantage, as they have on several occasions been dazed by a sudden unexpected moment. 

So things that would be strong: Powerful Weather Manipulation, highly mobile builds especially things like teleportation, powerful manipulators. Having non-magical abilities would also likely be helpful against Russia who can deflect magic. 

So who do well here?


Lex Luthor would do amazingly well in the Hetalia verse. Not only would he find it child's play to manipulate the countries against each other, but he would likely be able to destroy the countries from the inside with a giant plan. 

He also has non-magic based hypnosis which would likely work against the countries. 

Due to his training with amazon bodyguards Lex is relatively physically equal to the countries as well and while he can't kill them immediately due to them being conceptual entities, Lex does have a teleporter as standard equip to get him out of trouble. 

He was also with a bit of prep time create a gun that could rip apart existence itself which could potentially work on the countries, let alone how he could easily solo the verse if he built a power suit, though that is going against the rules.

Still Lex is a bit of dangerous choice due to his general fragility. Even better would be


Yomi from Yu Yu Hakusho.

Really anyone from YYH above Sensui would be a super threat to the verse due to being able to cause planetary earthquakes threatening all the countries, as well as physical states comically above the countries. However Yomi is not only one of the top of them but has additional advantages.

He's an extremely long-lived supergenius manipulator and so could manipulate the countries well, but beyond that he also has lamarckian evolution, a non-magical ability that allows him to evolve to new threats, hence why he grew extra ears after he was blinded. This would be very helpful since his enemies would have a very large potential arsenal since their powers are based on the traits of their countries.

Yomi would be extremely good and would probably solo the verse even if his powerset is very simple. However he could still get gibbed if one of the countries get close to him and hits him conceptually. Perhaps a stealth option would work best...



Weather Report from Jojo would be absolutely insane in the Axis Powers Hetalia verse.

First off he looks like a normal human so they have no way to suspect he's the source of the invisible intangible stand messing up the earth's weather, only England possibly being able to see his stand. 

Weather Report's ability to convert entities into snails by convincing them they are is actually a very probable ability to work against the countries since it involves manipulating them, and if a large portion of the population was turned into snails the countries might be affected similarly. 

Also and this is the big part, Weather Report can just tear a hole in the ozone, causing atmosphering radition to eradice life on earth rapidly. This would destroy all the countries in seconds and unlike with Yomi they would have no idea what's going on, nor even any good way of countries this. Weather Report would just be unfair against the countries. 

The only real problem with this strategy is in the potential starting conditions. If the countries start out at close range to Weather Report, and know who he is....well his stand could probably still get him out of the way though it would be a lot more dangerous. Instead, I'd like to propose another character who I think would do really well regardless of starting conditions


Peacock from Skullgirls would probably do really unexpectedly well against the countries despite technically having less dc/durability.

First off all, she would easily be able to tell the countries apart from normal people due to their conversations which make it evident who they are with each other combined with her massive long range hearing and vision. 

Secondly, Peacock has the ability to affect the absolute plane on a local scale. Why this is so important is because this means she could essentially avoid any conceptual attack by the countries by briefly painting herself out of and into existence. Given her movement speed advantage and the sheer degree of her enhanced senses she would easily know when an attack is coming. 

Thirdly Peacock has teleportation and unpredictability. The countries doesn't coordinate well, especially when a threat is outside their usual spectrum, and Peacock would be constantly unpredictable, meaning they would never be able to get any kind of pin on her.

Fourthly, and this is related to secondly, given Peacock's ability to affect the metafictional plane on a local scale it's very possible she could actually affect the countries directly, completely ignoring their primary defense. With no knowledge of this, they would be sitting ducks against her, especially given her mobility and teleportation. Even if that doesn't work, her Theonite Cannon would actually be enough to at least incapacitate a countries temporarily as can be shown by how Britain's magic worked on the other countries, if not actually force them to incarnate again (and they do start as babies who must grow up first, giving her plenty of time)

Fifthly, and this is related to the third point, Peacock can not only teleport herself, but her enemies, meaning she could just portal the countries away and they would have no easy way to get back. 

Sixthly, Peacock has knowledge of all the countries and their traits already. Not only can she sing every country's name, but she has seen cartoons from real world countries, despite her verse having different ones, meaning she would have knowledge of what the Hetalia Countries are likely to be like.

Finally, this one is speculative. If Lonesome Lenny can explode at the range a normal nucleur weapon does rather then his normal contained several meters, then it would cause a great amount of devastation that would severely harm the country she's in, and this a casually reproducible event. Overall she would simply have a lot of counters to everything in the verse.



However there's one character I think would do even better, a character who has a strategy that combines all the strategies mentioned above into one.


Aesir Loki from Norse Mythology.

Loki is strong, able to cause earthquakes across the globe with his strength, putting him at physical max here, but also an immediate threat to all the Hetalia countries.

Loki can also interact with conceptual entities, as he and Thor did in their contests with the abstract concepts (Thor for instance wrestled an old woman who turned out to be old age itself) meaning Loki could likely just punch the countries dead.

Loki can not just teleport, he can traverse different worlds, as shown when his falcon form was able to hide from Odin's gaze across the 9 realms. The Hetalia countries would have no ability to follow him whereas he can just appear wherever he wants unopposed. 

Loki is also an unpredictable trickster, known for his manipulative genius. Given his ability to cause chaos, he would surely be able to trick the countries into fighting or even trick the dissolution of countries. He would also be insanely hard to predict.

Loki can also turn invisible or disguise himself as anyone, which would give him additional ability to manipulate the countries. Beyond that he would simply never be able to be detected if he didn't want by the countries. 

While it's true Loki's magic probably wouldn't work on Russia, Loki's manipulation would probably work as well as his raw strength.

Loki is simply the perfect counter to the verse, having the exactly needed power, mobility, trickery, stealth, and higher plane manipulation. 


And that's how to be OP in Axis Powers Hetalia.

Sunday, July 14, 2019

Birthday Blog: My Top 25 Series


I turn 25 today and I wanted to celebrate the 25 series that I feel have help shaped me.

It's not a secret I don't have strong feelings on most series. Most series I would probably give a 5/10 or a 6/10, perfectly fine and that's about it. Some series however make me feel something deeper. Some series evoke incredible feelings in me, some series make me think and analyze them for days, months, YEARS later. Some series make me do both, and some can even link the two, uplifting my spirit.

These are my 25 favorite series currently, along with explanation of what I love about them. The placements are not at all set in stone, and I often shift my perspective.

32 Series were considered for this list, including the 26 series I consider great (8/10), the 5 I consider legendary (9/10) and 1 which I consider transcendent (10/10). In this list I want to give a brief history of mine with the series and why I consider it so well made that someone like me, who rates about 90% of everything I ever see only about average (5-6/10) to be so above average. I imagine this list may invite judgement, but I hope in this list you will find some common ground with my tastes and a better understanding of my person. I truly do love every single series on this list.


25: Metroid
My first boyfriend had a Nintendo and was into super smash. I was really interested in the attractive woman wearing the full body armor, wondering what her story was. I eventually looked up Samus to see where she was from, and to do to a goof on my first part, my first real exposure to Metroid was watching Super Metroid being played. Maybe it's due to nostalgia but Super Metroid remains my favorite of the Metroid titles (though in fairness to me, Super Metroid and Metroid Prime 1 are the Metroid games most often picked as best).

I absolutely loved Super Metroid which really got me into the Metroid series. While the story of Super Metroid was simple, it was very stirring. There's an interesting association I have noticed as years have gone by of female leads in science-fiction associated with motherhood and strength (think Ripley in Alien or Sarah Conner in Terminator). I think this is because motherhood is seen as one of the most existentially human experiences and thus contrasts most strongly against the in humanness of inhuman enemies. Super Metroid to me really captured the experience strongly. Metroid compared to it's contempories presented a more isolating and dehumanized environment. If you compare the enemies of Nintendo Heroes Mario Link or Kirby, Metroid's enemies are less human-looking in appearance and the environments are deliberately isolating and cold in their lack of friendly life. This brought the maternal themes of Super Metroid in a shaper contrast. Samus reflects this dichotomy being composed and stoic externally, and emotional internally.

I love the Metroid series for being filled with really interesting science-fiction concepts like the sentient planet phaaze source of the cosmic plague of phazon or the dual worlds of Light and Dark Aether, all handled with a surprising amount of detail and grounding, while still being able to contrast such strange and inhuman conditions with the humanity of Samus. 


24: Yu Yu Hakusho
Yu Yu Hakusho has without question the best first episode of any show I've seen so far. And the first and last arcs of YYH are widely considered the weaker two arcs with the second and third arcs being considered the best arcs. YYH is a series I got into mostly just because I've heard so many people tell me it was good and so decided to check it out and it truly did have me from the first episode. The character archetypes and arcs of YYH are not unique for the battle shonen genre, but nowhere are they expressed most cleanly and clearly yet realistically.

If you compare YYH to it's contemporaries it comes in shocking detail. Unlike Dragon Ball (with it's more over the top exaggerated-ness and larger then life nature based on it's inspirations like Journey to the West and Martial Arts Films) or Saint Seiya (molded after world mythologies, with it' sleekness in design and mythological hyper-grandiosity and dignity), YYH is notably more "realistic" and down to Earth. The characters speak and act more more naturally, and go through more common real events, making the otherworldly elements inspired by the occult, religious conceptions of the underworld, and horror movies (as well as the work of H.R. Giger) come to life as all the more inhuman and darkly mystical.

Even outside brilliantly choreographed fights, both tactically and in the anime in the animation, Yu Yu Hakusho is full of vibrant dynamic energy, that most comes through in my view during the heroes conflicts with the major villains, especially if you know how their philosophies and goals relate to the stress of the author making the work, and if you relate to those struggles. 




23: The Powerpuff Girls
So, as most people know about me if they know me much at all, I am a huge fan of the magical girl genre. During the mid to late 00s I was basically trying anything at all magical girl themed. This included a series called Demashita! Powerpuff Girls Z and thought it was a fine magical girl series. I was vaguely aware that it was based off a western animated series so I decided to try that. At the time my english was not as good, and so I started with the episodes that had been subbed (mostly the first couple of seasons) and I really really enjoyed it.

I already had a burgeoning interest in the western "superhero" genre and was immediately intrigued at the idea of a distinctly girly superhero group. Of the main trio, I most liked Bubbles who I thought was relatable. The PPG's charm I find lies in how it can so easily switch from humor (very often humor about Basically Kryptonian Level entities would act as little girls) to heartwarming and back with easy due to the series tone. Also despite having an incompetent populace as is somewhat standard in comedic series, it's surprisingly humanistic at times. There's one episode where the three superheroines are captured by a collector who views them as the final piece of his collection and the normally bumbling mayor rallies the normally bumbling townsfolk to save them. And it works. The Narrator even says at the end the day was saved thanks to the city of townsville. I was shocked; though very happy I'm have a very romantic humanistic sentiment.

I also really like the familial themes of the series, the relations between the sisters as well as with their father. I like familial themes in general and it's very central given the premise. Combined with the other things mentioned above, and I feel like this series really helped my budding interesting in western superheroes by couching it in my thematic and imagery language.


22: Tokyo Mew Mew
Tokyo Mew Mew is a series that I have immense nostalgia, first seeing it as a young child. Like a young girls, I was pretty much instantly intrigued by the cute animals, relatable main girl, and colorful magical girls. Tokyo Mew Mew on it's surface is a really cute series with a fun cast and a fairly uncontroversial but important message about protecting it's environment. 

What's so impressive about it then is how it stands out from the other series that can boast similar things. Tokyo Mew Mew has a surprising familiarity to it, partially due to the domestic and similar imagery used in the series. Watching Tokyo Mew Mew has a feeling of comfort and air of casual relatability to it, despite the supernatural antics of it, which is used for the most moving evocative scenes (consider the scene of Masaya waiting for Ichigo in the rain where the familiarity is conveyed by the closeness of their bodies). 

Tokyo Mew Mew is just flatly enjoyable to watch from it's familiarity, a feat which is impressive by itself but not worthy enough of praise to rank as a great series, but it's skill at doing this while also having strong genuine emotional moments and even an interesting spiritual conflict at the end of the manga is why I consider it great. 


21: Princess Tutu
Princess Tutu I view as the climax of the Silver Age of Magical Girls lasting from the late 90s to the early 00s. Of course during the 00s I was just trying everything magical girl, and this was a magical girl with ballet and fairy tail imagery so naturally I was super interesting in watching that.

Much like it's arguable spiritual successor Madoka, Princess Tutu is a series I only find that I appreciate more with time. Not only does it have the most sympathetic main character I've ever seen, but it also has easily one of the best magical girl villains ever. It also incorporates ballet and fairy tale themes amazingly, integrating them well without being so overt that it dominates the narrative (like Smile! Pretty Cure which, while I did enjoy, felt the fairy tale theme was REALLY overt but was not used to full potential). 

Princess Tutu is of a unique genre I enjoy of a modern semi-deconstructionist semi-reconstructionist fairy tales that are clearly trying to capture the spirit of ancient fairy tales and explore them, similar to the works of say Neil Gaiman. It captures a paradoxical whimsy and tragedy in the stylization and anthromorphization of natural forces. 


20: Yu-gi-oh!
I don't watch a lot of shonen, and certainly not a lot of sports shonen. But I'll always have a soft spot for Yu-gi-oh! It's hard to remember first seeing it, though if I recall correctly it was during my early years when my father was introducing my younger brother to tabletop games for a while, eventually leading us to getting some cards. I tried my hand at it, and was alright at it for the time, though I've never been a a really competitive player.

It's really hard to capture what made Yu-gi-oh! probably the most famous sports shonen to have been made on a global stage. However it does have something that I really appreciate nowadays. The series treats the card game as of super importance, and never jokingly derides it as just a card game. I really like in fictions when things are treated with gravity and importance they wouldn't get normally (But don't like the inverse). Beyond that on a more general state, Yu-gi-oh! has a heart but a lot of series do. Yu-gi-oh! I think partially got it's success just due to how incredibly memorable it's main characters. Yami Yugi, Jonouchi, Seto Kaiba, Pegasus, Malik, Bakura....all of them are incredibly memorable characters that command a lot of presence on screen. While most series have that one character that has an immense screen presence, Yu-gi-oh! has a half dozen characters that do.

Yu-gi-oh! also has an incredible sense of history and legacy that is omnipresent in the series, something that resonates with me. The characters are constantly making reference to ancient events and the wheel of destiny. This subtle but nigh-omnipresent sense of occult mysticism gives the series a unique air, imbuing "just a card game" with a real sense of importance and gravity. Yu-gi-oh! is a series that demands to be taken seriously, that grasps with ambition at making it's seemingly mundane topic to be the center of the world and that fills me with admiration.


19: Wander over Yonder
A while ago a western friend of mine, the same one who does my trailers and soundtracks for my fights, was introducing me to a number of western cartoons so that I could find ones that I like. Wander over Yonder, produced by the same creator as the PPG earlier, was one of the most successful. 

Wander over Yonder Season 1 was a really good series; inventive, energetic and containing my favorite cartoon protagonist so far. Wander is an almost purely archetypal character as a force of alruism in the galaxy. Season 2 was actually even better, introducing my favorite cartoon antagonist so far; Lord Dominator being the perfect foil to Wander as a force of malice and devastation. Wander over Yonder at it's best captures a pure archetypal reality, and many of it's episodes (particularly in season 2) have a surprising amount of subtle beauty (My personal favorite episode is the penultimate episode The Flower)

Wander over Yonder is a series with a vibrant spirit of the conflict between altruism and malevolence and contains lots of cosmic imagery that really resonated with me. It's recurring theme of optimism and kindness are themes that I really agree with, and it has a primary protagonist and antagonist that are my favorite so far of the western cartoons.


18: Yuki Yuna is a Hero
In the early to mid 2010s, after the birth of the third magical girl goddess (Puella Magi Madoka Magica), as with all 3 of the goddesses a slew of series came out trying to emulate it. As a magical girl fan, I was eager to see all these new artistic magical girl series. Of the ones emulating Madoka, one was clearly the best to me, even able to rival Madoka, Yuki Yuna is a Hero. 

Yuki Yuna is a Hero is a controversial series, though I personally found it very emotionally evocative. There is one moment that is especially so from the penultimate episode of the first season, which captures to me the beautiful truth of how our the little details of our mundane lives give us reason and meaning even when dealing with the horrible larger then life parts of being.

Beyond that, Yuki Yuna is a Hero has a really incredible presentation, and I'm not usually the kind of person that notices something like that, but the way Yuna's first henshin (unlike anything I've seen in an mg series) in episode 1, the comedy episode of the second season, the depiction of the spiritual reality of the end of the series...Yuki Yuna is a Hero is a very agreeable and familiar set of themes presented in a really cool way.


17: Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt
During the Dark Age of Magical Girls, Panty and Stocking coming out with a sudden break and in a bizarre way heralded the end of the Dark Age and the beginning of the Rainbow Age. When Panty and Stocking came out I had stopped watching every magical girl mostly due to the fatigue of it all but as soon as I started watching it, I marathoned the entire thing in one day. For me this is a pretty big achievement and has only happened with one other series. 

I go back and forth on how good I think P&S is all the time, sometimes it's a lot higher on this list and sometimes a lot lower but this is about where I think it averages. Panty and Stocking above all is really not just entertaining to watch, but entertaining to talk about. It's manic energy that is well talked gives it a huge amount of presence, and a lot of the characters (especially Panty) practically demand the attention when on picture. In an age where most magical girl series were rather bland, Panty and Stocking reintroduced the vibrancy of possibility.

What I find interesting about this series however is that it's perfectly willing to undercut it being a dirty sex comedy to be completely serious for a scene or two, like the scene of Terao meeting Panty or The Bachelor ghost confessing to Stocking or a lot of the interactions between Panty and Briefs in the finale. P&S is a very very funny series (in my opinion), but it's a series that thrives on being unexpected or on being versatile and being able to do just about anything for an ep, including just not being a comedy for a second and being serious and dramatic. 


16: Xiaolin Showdown
Xiaolin Showdown is another one of the series that I saw when being introduced to a bunch of cartoons at once and probably the one I had the least expectations of going in, having heard the least off.

Xiaolin Showdown has the achievement of probably being in my view the most consistent series I have ever seen. It very quickly reached a level of quality, and rarely deviated heavily in either direction; All the main characters were fun cool personalities, and the rest of the cast were either on the level or just slightly below but still entertaining in their own right. I don't think I once went into an episode doubting it's level of quality; it was consistently a funny and interesting series. I know some people say they think Season 3 was a decline in quality, though I personally must disagree. I especially roll my eyes at the idea that some of the wu being comedic (like ants in the pants or sweet baby among us) was somehow a sign of it's decline. Personally I just took that as Dashi's sense of humor.

I also really liked the series sense of legacy and history. Not only is ancient history constantly being referenced from Wuya and the Sheng Gong Wu, but ancient warriors and demons and events are often referenced as important events. The series had the same sense as mentioned in some of the previous entries of giving the seemingly flamboyance a sense of dignity with it's sense of scale and legacy. 


15: Danny Phantom
Danny Phantom was another one of the cartoon series I saw when I was being introduced to a large amount of cartoons and is currently my favorite cartoon. It was a series I had heard was pretty good, but I was not expecting what I received.

I've mentioned my interest in western superheroes and I think DP is honestly one of the best examples I've seen, managing to blend tones and style of eras. The series casually mixed superheroics, science-fiction, occult mysticism as well as occasional crime genre and teenage soap opera. Danny Phantom also does one of the best jobs of any superhero series I've seen of having a non-metahuman cast that remains relevant in the world of metahumans. Likewise it has one of the best supervillain rosters I've seen with several stand out examples like Vlad, Spectra, Walker...

I know some people, much like the last entry, think season 3 went downhill and I get I really didn't get that impression. I guess there was 1 or 2 eps that weren't up to snuff, but like "Torrent of Terror" "Urban Jungle" and "Frightmare" all felt like mini movies and I really liked the eps "Infinite Realms" and "Girl's Nights Out".


14: Bayonetta
Bayonetta was something I had heard glowing praise of (as well as a supposed "controversy" that to me made it seem even better IE Bayonetta being a sexualized female protagonist), and the more I heard about it the more it sounded like it was made for me. The main character sounded like a cool confident sexually liberated woman. The Magic system was occult and stylized in a way that really sounded just like what I had always envisioned magic fights to be. Parts of it were based on the Divine Comedy. 

No surprise, I loved it. Bayonetta is almost exactly what I had imagined high level mage fights looking like, with magic circles and images flashing around and reality and spacetime warping everywhere. I love Bayonetta as a character. As someone who is rather anxious and shy, I find confident and sexually liberated female protagonists honestly rather admirable and inspiring, like Bayonetta, Starfire and Cutie Honey. There has often been an associated of magic with femininity and Bayonetta's magic is I think a really good representation of that association, as well as the association of both of them with sensuality and liberation. 

Bayonetta's themes I also find really endearing; themes of the chaos of the human realm and it's importance, the importance of free will, and most rare the relation between our past and present selves. This is a theme I've always found very interesting, but it's very rare to see, mostly because it's hard to write about though the first game does an amazing job of it. The various references to the Divine Comedy (including styling the entire angelic and demonic hierarchies based on them) was also very appreciated.


13: God of War
When I was kid our family had a playstation 2, that my brother used mostly though I sometimes played a little with him. It was mostly more childish games though through the Sony fanbase I guess you would say I heard of this big game that starred a premier character of Sony, God of War and Kratos. Now I was a pre-teen at the time so I wasn't really interested. It was really only around God of War 3 coming out that I became interested, having seen that this franchise had become so big.

I am very interesting in the classical Grecian Culture, and it amazes me how much of it God of War reintroduces. Kratos is an amazingly example of an Aristolean Tragic Hero, starting in an exalted position and damned by his fatal flaw (typically pride, in Kratos' case wrath). The brutality and sexuality of the series is shocking faithful to the original which contains such things as Perseus slicing the head off Medusa and using it as a weapon or the adultery of Aphrodite (recreated and alluded in God of War 3). Truth be told I find nothing more insulting to a culture then trying to strip it of all you find disagreeable or wrong and trying to present it as only superficially different to yours. God of War does not do this, recreating the Ancient Greek Mythos in it's non-modernness. Most impressively was how it not only captured by expanded on the Ancient Greek Mythos telling of the primordial story of the generational violent overthrow of one generation by it's child generation. From Olympians to Titans to Primordials, it is the singular narrative of Greek Mythology presented in the Theogony. 

I called a long time ago that God of War 4 would be all about Kratos trying to be a better father both based on GOW 3 Kratos's proclamation that "the cycle ends here", the trailers showing Kratos acting as father to Atreus, and so on and I am very happy to have been shown as correct. The God of War series I love not only for being probably the most faithful recreation of Greek Mythological Values, but for extending the closest thing the mythos has to a central narrative, to a tale of familial love overcoming the cycle of patrocide and eventually redeeming the fallen Tragic Aristolean Hero. 


12: xxxHolic
After Cardcaptor Sakura and Magic Knight Rayearth I became very interested in Clamp and began eagerly trying out their many stories. Most I found well-written but not personally appealing, with the exception of xxxHolic. 

No series makes me feel intelligent and cool to the extent xxxHolic does. xxxHolic has a mysterious occult air that pervades it, that makes you feel like you are peering through the void to the true reality. There's so much going on, and the amount you can actually pick up on makes you feel wise, yet the parts you didn't pick up become explained to me, making you feel like you progressed. Beyond that however the series can also be rather fun when it wants to, much like the character of Yuuko; mysterious, playful and seemingly all-knowing. xxxHolic is in that sense the inverse of P&S, where P&S is usually an exciting and fun experience that can become serious to make an effect, xxxHolic is usually a mysterious and intriguing world that can take short breaks for energetic fun for an effect whether it be one of Mokona's goofy statements or one of Watanuki's outbursts. 

xxxHolic's greatest advantage in my view is just it's sleekness and wispy air of occult intrigue. Watching it is somewhat akin to watching the show of a magician, as every moment can reveal some new spectacle or some new break in the seeming mundane reality to grasp something unbelievable. All the characters have fun character dynamics on the surface, yet unlike some series, these dynamics are not merely mundane reality, but seem to always bear some relationship and specification of their underlying natures.


11: Cutey Honey
When I was young, Cutey Honey Flash aired on televison. It was a magical girl show so I was naturally immediately interested. It was also the version of Cutey Honey made for the unexpectedly large female fanbase of the show. At the time I thought it was just one of the coolest things ever. 

Cutey Honey is to some extent a genre-bending series, but even moreso it's a tone-bending series. Even the original version was a combination of two things that seem like they would never go together; goofy 60s science-fiction and dark sexy 70s crime thrillers. I think they meshed together surprisingly amazingly. Honey herself is a character I really love and the precursor I think to a lot of other characters I love like Sailor Venus and Bayonetta. Cutey Honey is a surprisingly versatile concept, adapted into several different moods and time periods with no problem. 

A lot of shojo has the heroine saying that she's the "warrior of love", but with Honey I really do get that impression. Despite being an artificial being, she experiences real love, which is her strongest power. She was created out of love, and she is maintained as person and not a crime-fighting killing machine by love. It's really heartwarming to me. Also a well maintained Cutey Honey sequence is just intoxicating to watch, full of spectacle and flamboyance. 


10: Okami
Like a lot of games, this one I found mostly because we owned a game console at home and my brother bought it.  Okami is a game that is immediatly visually engrossing due to it's highly stylized aesthetic designed to resemble classic sumi-e.

Beyond that Okami is a game that is immersed in Japanese culture and spirituality and it's a game that at times is relaxing, entertaining, frightening, cool, and emotionally evocative without ever seemingly like it is ever at odds with itself. It's a game steeped and filled with grandeur, gravitas and dignity. It gives even small mundane things a greatness in it's essence, connected to the divine essence of things.

For someone who is very spiritual, it was a very endearing experience to exist in such a spiritual world as Okami, and I also greatly appreciate it's themes of reverence and gratitude, and the importance of the interconnections of nature. The game has many levels which would be art pieces in themselves, let along the entirety. Also as someone interested in folklore and myths, Okami is the best representations of mythology in an interactive format I am aware off, representing the myths and knowledge of it in the game's story and levels. Okami is immersed in all the legends of Japan from the biggest tales of Shinto to tiny local legends. For someone interested in such things it is almost overwhelming in it's reverence and references to them.


9: Pretty Cure
Pretty Cure is a series you absolutely don't want to get behind on. At 16 seasons with about 50 episodes each, Pretty Cure is a behemoth of a series. My favorite season is Heartcatch Pretty Cure (Season 7), I also really like Go!Princess (Season 12) and the controversial DokiDoki Pretty Cure (Season 10). All of these by themselves I would consider for this list if they were seperate series. 

Pretty Cure is like the perfect archetype of the magical girl anime. Almost all the great and bad things of the genre are evident in the series as a whole and as a magical girl fan, for me it is really is a wonderful thing. It's an incredible wholesome franchise that with standard shojo themes of friendship, love, dreams, hope, etc. yet is incredibly endearing in it's childish passion and idealism. Pretty Cure's greatest strength is the sheer strength of the emotions it presents and the wholesome fun of watching cute girls beating vile monsters with the power of friendship and their emotions with the sparkly magic beam. 

Pretty Cure can do really good character work, and is very good at making a diverse group of endearing characters despite not giving any of them even the slightest hint of edge. It can have a greater emotional depth then people think as well, and has all the wonderful general themes that I love. 

Notably, of the 8 series I like more then Pretty Cure, exactly half are Magical Girl Series. 


8: Puella Magi Madoka Magica
2011 was a really big year in magical girl history. Coming off the tips of the much acclaimed Heartcatch Pretty Cure, it was announced that the famous Gen Urobuchi, who usually created dark works, was going to make a magical girl. Early designs made it look fairly typical and so only magical girl fans like myself was interested. The series would come to be something different then what was expected, drawing a huge amount of attention onto the series, inspiring a legion of new magical girl series, and starting a new age of magical girls. This was the birth of third magical goddess series.

Madoka is a series I find I appreciate only more with time. And even on my first watch I was super drawn into it, watching it all at once (I was unable to catch it when it was first broadcasting). I have a personal conjecture that part of the reason Madoka was popular was that it was a magical girl anime written like a magical girl manga; somewhat darker, more plot-focused and lacking filler, more philosophical, more focused on older audience. While Pretty Cure is the archetype of the magical girl anime, Madoka even though it is an anime is the archetype of the magical girl manga, and as someone who enjoys magical girl manga even MORE then magical girl anime it was natural that I would love it. I love it's themes of selfish vs selfless love, it's themes of wishes and gratefulness...

I also really love the controversial Rebellion Movie. I must just the line from the incubators about observation leads to manipulation leads to controlling sends chills down my spine from it's elegance. Madoka is like Magical Girl Manga in that it has an absolutely incredible elegance, refined and focused thematically and philosophically, overt in express yet subtle in it's depth. 


7: Magic Knight Rayearth
Magic Knight Rayearth is a series I have much nostalgia for, because I have enjoyed it since a very young age. I believe I first saw it advertised in Nakayoshi Magazine. Magic Knight Rayearth is a gem I feel has unfairly lost to time, despite being an absolutely amazing magical girl series. 

Magic Knight Rayearth is at it's heart a classic adventure story; 3 schoolgirls called into another world to be heroes of this other world. Yet to me it will remain the iconic adventure story, entailing everything one want in such a story. The series blends tropes and new ideas seemlessly, and can feel at home using old tricks or subversions. MKR feels at once both like a personal dramedy of the three girls interactions and a fantasy epic about the plight of the world of Cephiro. 

However that alone would certainly not get it this high. The thing about MKR is that it starts out good, but only gets better with every chapter in the manga, and for a lot of the time, gets better anime-wise over time as well. By the final chapter MKR has gone from a simple fun adventure for young girls to an interesting philosophical, political, and psychological thesis, not in spite of it's heart but because of it's heart. I am ruled by two desires; to feel emotionally resounded and resounding (emotional appeal) and to be intellectually intrigued (intellectually appealed). The Finale of MKR is one of the very few times instead of just one appeal, instead of even both appeals being present separately, the two appeals are interwoven like symbolic narrative poetry 


6: Magicka
I was a fan of the late game reviewer Totalbiscuit, and I can honestly say I have never enjoyed a playthrough as much as his playthrough of Magicka with Lewis and Simon of the Yogscast. If you ever want to understand my style of humor, I would say this is one of the closest things to my sense of humor. This inspired me to get the game.

Magicka as a game is a bit out of an outlier upon my interests. There are other games on this list, but if you look you'll notice I am usually praising their stories or maybe aesthetics. Truth be told, I don't usually get much from a game mechanics, but Magicka is the general exception. I love playing Magicka, and in a way I feel it's gameplay is amazingly interwoven with it's world. Magicka is set in a world of primal elements, a world where the wizards represent the primal forces of nature. As such to best play the game is not about planning far into the future, it is about quite the opposite; staying in the moment and intuiting what to do. There's an almost meditative quality about playing Magicka, a return to unconcious I've experienced with nothing else. Magicka is a game best played it seems to me with intuition and creativity. 

Beyond that I really like the world of Magicka. Vlad and Grimnir I think are amazing characters, I like Lok, the Wizards in general, Assatur....I like the themes and worldbuilding of Magicka, goofy though it may seem. The best comparison I can give is it's like playing a game in the monty python universe. And as that comparison implies, it's really funny, especially with the magic shenanigans that can occur. And for it's comedic trapping, the actual magic system of Magicka is one of the most logical and internally self-consistent I have seen, and I am impressed that it can have this quality while retaining the fact that everything about it can be intuited from the elemental combination. The fact that such a small game studio could make something this awesome inspires me.


5: The Divine Comedy
I actually really like reading (hence why I prefer manga to anime) but there are not many novels on this list mostly because most of the novels I really liked were A: A singular novel rather then a series and/or B: Non-Fiction meaning they don't really fit on a list of "fictional series". However my favorite literature is the Divine Comedy which happens to fit both criteria. I was mostly introduced to the Divine Comedy in college by one of my professors who was VERY into the Divine Comedy and the enthusiasm was rather contagious. 

Note: If we're talking about what series is just the "best written" then obviously it's going to be this one. The Divine Comedy is well regarded as at least one of the greatest works of fiction of all time, and of major historical importance. While it's not my personal favorite due to a bit of a lack of personal connection, it is absolutely amazing with plenty of beautiful poetry, an amazing narrative, themes of love and humanity (my favorite themes) etc. 

It's difficult to overstate how incredible the Divine Comedy is as a work, combining all the sciences and fields of study of Dante's day, uniting the Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian worldviews in the first proto-humanist heralding of the renaissance centered on the importance and nobility of common man. It's an incredibly inspiring work to read and is in my opinion the "most perfect" (IE least flawed) work of fiction that has ever been created. It's inspiring to think about and bolsters the heart with love of humanity.


4: Cardcaptor Sakura
I first saw the second of the magical girl goddess a long time ago, to the point that I can very barely recall it, probably before I even saw things like SM. I've liked CCS since I first saw it though only grew to love it more and more as time went on and I realized how much better it is then I was first able to appreciate. 

Cardcaptor Sakura is almost as pure and wholesome as you can get, and it's a good testament to how that does not at all curtail one's ability to say important things. CCS is at many times cute, it is funny, it's often intellectually stimulating to a degree (as much of the challenge of the main character is how to capture a Clow Spirit using the cards she has provided like a little puzzle) and it can be philosophical. More the anything it's an optimistic series, Sakura's catchphase being "Everything will be alright". This sounds childish but there is wisdom to this childishness, as the value of optimism is dismissed with age and then regained with greater age. 

Cardcaptor Sakura is a series that teaches us to value the seemingly mundane, it's a series that highlights the magic in the mundane without it ever feeling like it's exaggerating it's importance. Sakura's greatest strength is her hope and optimism. Sakura's friend Tomoyo is stated by Eriol to have the ability of intuition which is both said and shown to be as strong as a magic. The cards are usually captured by an understanding of the mundane world, such as when The Dash, fastest of all the cards, was captured merely by understanding that it wast just running away because it was scared and instead allowing it to come to her. I have a romantic heart and truth be told I see lots of magic in this mundane world we live in, and CCS is a celebration of that kind of magic. 



3: Saint Seiya

I recall watching Saint Seiya with my younger brother after school. It was immediately distinct from the other shonen due it's elegant mythological-inspired aesthetic, it's cast of bishonen, and it's dramatic, almost theatrical emotionality. 

Saint Seiya has a very strong sense of legacy coursing through the series that synergies well with the strong sense of mythology that obviously inspires the series. The Saints are constantly said to have served Athena since time immemorial, and my favorite arc of the original series is the Hades Arc partially because of the times that it shows the love between the Gold Saints, the older generation and the Bronze Saints, symbolically their younger brethren. Everything in SS has such a sense of history and legacy and mythology gravitas. If GOW is the best representation of the Greek Mythical Values, and Okami is the best representation of the Japanese Mythical Spirituality, Saint Seiya contains the spirit girding mythology itself. 

Saint Seiya is a series that captures the religious and mythological sentiments of grandeur and gravitas transcending humanity and spacetime, the concepts emanating as gods in the human realm. It is at once both theatrical and dramatic yet subtle and understated in a realistic sense, combining them by virtue of relating such inhumanly concepts to our human passions and concepts. The Human and Divine World do mirror each other and within each person is a universe, a cosmo. The sense of inter-connectedness of being, really is beautiful to me. Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas by itself would be a candidate for this ranking and I also greatly like the original series and Saintia Sho. 


2: DC Comics
Long ago, I came across a set of old shorts featuring the character of Superman. I thought it was different, not like what I had seen before, but not amazing. That said it fostered an interest in the western superhero. I began to enjoy superhero related series like the powerpuff girls and freedom force. However it really clicked on me when I was watching Linkara who said a statement that really made me get it. He said "Superheroes are OUR Mythology." As someone interested in mythology, I suddenly had an epiphany of the nature of Superheroes as Demigods. I am very interested in DC Comics, with Superheroes being representations of virtues and cosmic forces like Roman and Greek Gods.

The parts of DC I am personally most interested in are the Kryptonian Stuff, the Amazons and Related Entities (Wonder Woman, Donna Troy, Starfire is a Honorary Amazon), The Magicians (Doctor Fate, Zatanna, etc.) and the Cosmic Entities (Sandman and Lucifer series especially). All-Star Superman, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, the DCEU, The Sandman, The Crisis Trilogy would all be considered candidates as individual series for this ranking. This is because the DC Universe's biggest strength and weakness is it's sheer size. But overall, it has a lot of things that have truly inspired me.

The DC Universe as the modern mythology is inspiring to me in it's sheer humanism. DC constantly emphasizes how great the normal person, and if Superman is truly their flagship character then the heart of Superman is to me the idea that Superman is not the powers, anyone can be the Superman if they have the conviction to do the right thing. The DC Universe is the modern mythology, it is the telling of demigods and monsters, and the grappling of society and the collective conscious with abstract concepts and the unknown world. And in it's humanism and extolling of the virtue of the common man, there is reflected the faith in our fellow human. 








Well.......you were all expecting it..... obviously my number 1 choice is




1: Naria Girls

IT'S NARIA GIRLS BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

PLAY US OUT (5:57)









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I wonder how many people would have realized that this was the same joke in the blog I made for my birthday a few years ago if I didn't mention it



look everyone already know what the number 1 was


1: Sailor Moon
A young girl was watching tv when she came upon a new show. In the show a bunch of female senshi saw into the distant past. In the distant past there was an idyllic kingdom on the moon, in that time there was a princess of the moon and a prince of the earth who had a forbidden love. The prince held the princess close vowing that even if it meant his death, he would fight for her, pulling her into an embrace, the event tragically ending with their deaths before they were reincarnated upon the Earth. The Princess modern day's reincarnation tearfully prepared to fight to be reunited with her love. This episode captures my heart, and even today strikes a powerful nostalgia into my heart.

I rate Sailor Moon at a 10/10, the only thing at that score, because I truly have never seen a series that compares to in my enjoyment. The Manga is my favorite version yet, every single version of Sailor Moon that has a story would be considered for this ranking if they were independent series, as would every single manga arc by itself. Sailor Moon is a verse that relates all the themes I love and which I have spoken of previously; the relation of the divine and the human, the stellar/cosmic, the feminine magic, the relation between the magical and the mundane, the sense of legacy, mythology and history, the importance of humanity, the interconnectedness of being and so on.  

Sailor Moon is uniquely personal to me. It's themes and ideas are so resonant with me that I can honestly say for nearly 2 decades I have thought of SM at least once a day at least passingly. It's a franchise that the more I think about, the more I see and understand all within an efficient and short framework. Beyond this, Sailor Moon has a unique quality that it makes every other work feel better, as if glimpsing such a beautiful reality, I then see the hidden beauty in every other part of the world. After experiencing SM or thinking about SM or discussing SM, everything after it feels markedly better, to the point that most other series gain a solid point out of 10 in quality. SM is my favorite work, because it fills everything else with more splendor and dignity and beauty. SM is a work ultimately about the fundamental unity of being, and so too do I experience it in all else. 






So why do I like what I like? I hope from this you not only have found some interests we share, but perhaps picked up some recurring themes that are important to me; Love, Hope, Family, Mythology, History, Legacy, Humanity, Identity, Free Will/Destiny, Magic, Occult/Spirituality, Dignity/Grandeur, Magical/Mundane Dichotomy.

All of this is founded on the basis of the underlying unity of being. All that we experience, I intuitively feel an underlying order, an underlying unity giving to each event meaning and purpose, giving to each moment dignity and importance. 

All my life I have experienced this fundamental dichotomy of the realm of the human, trenched in mundane material details, and the realm of the spirits, of the deities, of the concepts, existing in archetypal infinity under it's surface. Art focused solely on the realm of the human I do not like. It is meaningless and nihilistic, an empty drama about arbitrary events. Art focused solely on the realm of the higher planes, I do not like. Such abstract art I can not relate too, disconnected as it is from our human experience.

The art that I like is the art of our ancestors; shamans, mystics and priests who channel the higher planes into our material surroundings, paradoxically capturing the infinite in the finite! Such is the definition of magic! All themes I have said in some sense are the capturing of the abstract and more fundamental existence in this transient material existence we know. To capture the golden light of the Forms, the more fundamental truths of the unseen world (the realm of the spirits, the gods, the concepts) in material words, sounds, ink or code... Such is the work of the master storyteller, in my view. 

Sunday, July 7, 2019

Response to Rewind Rumble's "Batman vs Tuxedo Mask"



As a personal objective of mine, I wanted to spread correct information about magical girl series, particularly to the vs community. As such I sent messages to several big vs debaters, saying that if they ever needed information about SM I would provide it along with citations. This included the creator of Rewind Rumble. When making this they did not contact me. As such in my estimation there is no excuse for having gotten this information incorrect. I would have give complete information and citation on demand, and they were bold enough to attempt it without me.

Truth be told, I can't think of one thing, one logical rule of vs debating that this episode adhered to.

I am a massive fan of both Sailor Moon and DC Comics. That said Batman vs Tuxedo Kamen is an absolute mismatch. Mamoru absolutely stomps Bruce. For a major fan of Dragon Ball and Marvel, this is the equivalent of trying to make a matchup between Goku and Spider-Man. Though truth be told, I honestly think Goku vs Spider-Man is MORE balanced. You have to essentially completely ignore Tuxedo Kamen's feats to give it to Batman (which they do). I don't wanna make things like this normally because I think Batman is underrated a lot of the time in the vs community, but no he's not anywhere near as strong as Tuxedo Kamen. 

Let's get into this episode. Link to original.

A (?) means I'm not quite sure what they said because of the audio.

The first approximately 1 minute 15 seconds are just set up, so I am going to skip them and get right to the actual dialogue

so the very first thing they show for Mamoru is a slide at ~1:17 claiming the following:

"Tuxedo Mask
Real Name: Darien Shields
Age: 19
Height: 5'9" (175 cm)
Species: Human"

There's a few things to address here.

Let me start with the most glaring. RR, NOBODY uses the DIC dub anymore. Just use his real name "Mamoru Chiba". It's become cliche in the moonie community to tell non-moonies how bad the DIC dub is and insist they use the real names because everyone by now uses their real names. Why are you still insisting on using the dub name?

You know one of the few things (read: the only thing) I would have said CFC and RR actually did better then DB, is that it actually specified a continuity and version. They would say specifically DCAU Superman or the like. But no here they NEVER specify continuity and only near the end do they even make a vague claim of which Mamoru they are using. Though let me be clear, assuming you actually use scaling, legit any version of Mamoru stomps here, outside of some SM video games that simply don't have feats because there's no story. Likewise Mamoru would still stomp even using the first arc. Again I liken this to doing Spider-Man vs Goku. 

Thirdly and this is the most nit-picking of them, Mamoru by EOS is not a normal human anymore, as the human species changed due to being under the auspices of the Moon and became immortal.


 This is likely the same thing as the original Moon People who colonized the planets of the Inner Solar System such as Venus


These planets have different gravity to Earth and would require superhuman physical bodies to live on. 

This is in fact consistent with the potential of humanity, who in the ancient days waged war against the people of the Moon under the reign of Metaria and Beryl


and reach superhuman states when brainwashed, enough to travel from all over a district to a store in seconds at most


let alone being a potential threat to a Partially Awoken Senshi in large numbers.

Point being, Mamoru is no longer a normal human, and literally just the citizens of Crystal Tokyo would be comparable to strong DC Street Tier Fighters. 

So anyway, then they actually start to speak and it continues to go downhill.

"So guys, I've got a question. Do you think Tuxedo Mask is way too old for Sailor Moon?"

Uhhhh....no? A: Why is this relevant to a versus match? B: Mamoru is 3 years older then Usagi in canon. At the start of the series Mamoru is 17 and Usagi is 14 and by Arc 5 of the series Mamoru is 19 starting college and Usagi is 16. 



The series ends at their marriage when Usagi is 22 and Mamoru is 25. The 90s anime which is non canon aged Mamoru up 2 years for complicated reasons. Canonically however their age gap is 3 years which is not especially troublesome. 

"Come on, he looks like a 28 year old kid (?) dating a 12 year old girl?"

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....not really, no. Anime characters are often drawn ambiguously aged but Usagi out of universe and in universe looks older then her age. Isn't that the joke people try and make at SM's expense? That they look older then they are and thus it's a trap to be attracted to teen girls? At least in the west. 

Usagi doesn't look particularly younger then say, Madoka, who was also a 14 year old anime girl


Naoko Takeuchi draws characters with relatively long faces and pointy chins, making teenagers look older then they are. 

also how does Mamoru look 28?


I know anime characters are relatively ambiguous agewise a lot, but what here screams a late 20 year old? 

"...which is gross, yuck!"

*plays a clip of Chris Hansen*

"Shao Khan has something to say to Tuxedo Mask..."

*plays a clip of Shao Khan saying "you f***" *

....I have legit never seen someone try so hard to assassinate the character of a fictional character that is so baseless.

No Mamoru is not a pedophile. The age gap between Mamoru and Usagi is not remotely creepy. It's literally a 3 year age gap. I am somewhat shocked seeing this. '

You know, when I am making fights I try my best to depict both sides at their best, because every character is someone's favorite. I believe trying to build up characters. Barring that I certainly would not show such visible disdain for a character. This isn't even putting on the veneer of trying to be fair. This is legitimately trying to attack a fictional character's "character" with something that has no basis for no reason. The only logical explanation I can understand for this bizarre statement is to try and make the audience root for Batman to win which is not just unfair but a stupid way to go about it.

Let me be 100% clear here again. There is nothing remotely pedophilic or creepy about Mamoru and Usagi's love. The two are within the same age range. Beyond that, the two are reincarnations of lovers Prince Endymion and Princess Serenity.

This is probably the worst part of the entire episode. Pedophilia is among the more vile acts a human can commit and spreading misinformation that a character has even pedophilic undertones is one of the most disparaging things one can do.

Oh and lest I forget WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH BATMAN VS TUXEDO KAMEN?! Isn't this supposed to be a versus debate?

"Tuxedo Mask is a really close ally of Sailor Moon, fighting alongside the Sailor Scouts, and protecting them at times."

Also Sailor Moon's husband at end of series. Other points to note: Yes he does fight alongside the Senshi, the scaling is exactly what makes this so godly onesided in his favor. Also stop using the DIC Dub. No one uses it anymore.

"His alternate identity is Darien Shields, at least in the English Dub"

NO IT ISN'T. The Viz dub has it as Mamoru Chiba. NO ONE uses the DIC Dub anymore. NO ONE. And in case you are thinking this came out before the Viz dub, the Viz dub came out in 2015, this came out in 2018.

"He is the reincarnation of the Earthborne Prince Darien and the lover of Princess Serena"Mamoru is the reincarnation of the Prince of the Earth, Prince Endymion and the lover of Princess Serenity, princess of the Moon.

"What are the odds of that?"
That's the "miracle romance", that their love finds each other across space and time again and again. This is why Usagi planned to kill herself when Mamoru died because she could not bear to be without him and wanted to be reincarnated with him again. That is why Nehelenia couldn't take the Silver Crystal because it crossed space and time to be with the Golden Crystal again. Usagi and Mamoru's love is one of the biggest plot points of SM.

"The reincarnated versions of the people today also happen to be good friends."
NO they were not. Usagi and Mamoru while they felt a connection to each other upon first meeting, were not friends. Mamoru made a joke about Usagi's low test score when she accidentally threw it in his face and she stormed off angry and annoyed. Have you literally not seen ONE episode or chapter of Sailor Moon?

Usagi and Mamoru were basically rivals until their identifies were revealed and they realized their love for each other.

"So yeah his past life was a prince but his early life in modern times was quite tough. Reborn on his homeworld, Darien lived a life of hardship. As a child, he and his parents were involved in a car accident. The accident claimed the lives of his parents and left him without memory and no family to go back too."
Outside of using the dub name AGAIN, most of this is accurate in terms of his backstory. On his sixth birthday, Mamoru's parents took him on a car ride, where they tragically died, stripping him of his memories.


"This forced him into an orphanage where he spent most of his early days mourning the loss of his parents and his current situation..."
Technically speaking this is anime filler, it comes from Movie 1, the manga doesn't say what happened to him for most of his childhood after the accident, though it doesn't contradict anything at least.

"However as the years would roll on Darien would eventually move on and just sort of focus on a more positive future"
I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. Mamoru was haunted by his lack of memories and his entire motivation in the first arc is to regain his memories of his parents and his own self. Strange dreams told him that the Silver Crystal would unlock his memories.

"When Darien encounter(ed?) Serena as an adult(?) again in their reincarnated forms, he doesn't appear to recognize her."
Yeah so why were you all like "They were totally friends before they got their memories back"? Or did you mean AFTER they got their memories back, in case why would they not be close? They were lovers and got murdered before reincarnating together and having a second chance together?

"They sort of build the relationship though he mainly chooses to tease her mercilessly(?) over her clumsiness...."
Well he was more making fun of her for her test scores

I guess technically he made fun of her clumsiness when he made mention of her tossing a piece of paper in his face. Wouldn't exactly call that mercilessly

Also I don't know what you mean by sort of build a relationship. The two were antagonistic to each other initially even if they felt a deeper connection, and when they got their memories back were in love with each other just as they were in the Silver Millennium. 

"and coins her the famous 'Meatball head' "
It's not very famous. Again no one uses the DIC dub anymore. What he actually calls her is "Odango Atama" which close translates to "Dumpling Head" and is translated by Viz as "Bun head".

"Now as time passed, Darien really did develop feelings for Serena, but simply could not get past the cooties stage. He wasn't neccesarily friend-zoned but things weren't working his way."
Again, no idea what you are talking about.

Mamoru had an intuitive guess that Usagi was Sailor Moon

and right before getting their memories back, Sailor Moon kisses Tuxedo Kamen, their love being what gets him to sacrifice himself for Sailor Moon revealing their past lives


Mamoru and Usagi loved each other before getting their memories back. They had already kissed twice. 

"Darien discovered who Serena really was, which was Sailor Moon..."
Why are you treating your audience like toddlers who need to be constantly reminded of stuff

"He knew that he could get past the friendzone with an alternate identity of his own, and since he's a non-creative individual he put on a stock tuxedo, a basic ballroom mask, and thus you have the quasi-superhero with the least creative name of Tuxedo Mask...it makes perfect sense, he's wearing a mask, he has tuxedo, just call the guy Tuxedo Mask."
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

In NO version of Sailor Moon, none, does Mamoru become Tuxedo Kamen to win Usagi's love. Mamoru was Tuxedo Kamen long before he met Usagi in every version. One of the most classic and iconic scenes in the series appearing in every single version that starts at the beginning is Sailor Moon's first meeting with Tuxedo Kamen in chapter 1. Mamoru was clearly Tuxedo Kamen long before Usagi was Sailor Moon.

Mamoru turned into Tuxedo Kamen not on his own will but involuntary, forced to search for the Silver Crystal

To regain his knowledge of who he is, and to stop his relentless search he required the Silver Crystal based on the strange voice in his dreams. 


Also as to his costume. Mamoru's costume was designed to bring to mind Lupin the Thief as a reference


as well as the fact that he resembles a magician, magicians often being associated with rabbits (pulling a rabbit out of a hat) and Usagi literally meaning rabbit to tie into the wordplay of "Usagi Tsukino" meaning "Rabbit of the Moon".

"As Tuxedo Mask, he would often show up to help Sailor Moon to fight the Negamonsters"
Stop with the DIC Dub. Also if you're not talking about canon not really. In the manga there was only 2 youma both being creations of Jadeite. If you replaced the word "Negamonsters" with the word "Youma" then technically this would be accurate to the 90s anime which again is not canon.

"But....what can this guy actually do?"
We are finally FINALLY getting into the actual vs stuff. 

"That's obviously what we are here for to find out."
Yeah and you do such a great job of it.

"Well for starters, Tuxedo Mask is insanely fast. He can move faster then the eye can track..."
Yeah and Superman can run faster then a cheetah, and Flash can run faster then a bullet. 

Let's get some actual feats in here.

Spoilers, they think Batman bulletiming is impressive. Mamoru in the first arc, the FIRST ARC, was fast enough to evade an attack from Minako


Minako was already a fully awoken Sailor Senshi at the time


yet before Minako had even partially awoken as a Sailor Senshi, she sent herself flying at likely FTL speeds to Venus in at most minutes


Even the Partially Awoken Senshi can casually annihilate the Kings of Heaven outside Kunzite with their casual attacks





Yet Zoisite of the Four Heavenly Kings were able to avoid an attack of reflected moonlight at close range


Tuxedo Mask is so fast that he was able to save Sailor Moon from her own attack reflected back at her

and even when he was far away and Rubeus who is on the level of the second arc senshi launched a close range attack at Usagi, he was able to sense it, transform and save her from it

Mamoru is faster by a good deal then FTL characters, Batman is a complete statue to him. Batman without prep and in base would have very little ways of even hitting Mamoru while Mamoru with just his speed alone could simply zip Batman into space.

And that's EARLY Mamoru. 

In his strongest state, Mamoru has the LAMBDA Power. The Lambda Power includes the full power of all the Sailor Crystals of the universe. 

There are these complete rookie Eternal Sailor Senshi called the Quartet who saw a distress signal at the center of the galaxy from Earth and just casually appeared there in a moment

This is casual speeds of billions of times the speed of light.

Let alone the fact that they moved to the Galaxy Cauldron at the center of a palace they were at the edge off while the lambda power which brought star seeds to all their proper places in the universe was moving the star seeds within the galaxy cauldron requiring quadrillions of times the speed of light

These are speeds of likely quadrillions of times lightspeed and they are mere aspects of the power that Mamoru uses to get around.

The speed difference between these two is so immense that it alone would give Mamoru the victory. Mamoru would be experiencing trillions of years in the time it takes Batman to experience 1 second, if you go by their speeds. Mamoru absolutely and completely speedstomps Batman. 

"leap to and from tall rooftops"
There isn't exactly much leaping feats in Sailor Moon but the Senshi do leap into ORBIT

And that was the first arc. Mamoru should easily scale. Mamoru with a single leap can be so far out of Batman's reach, that Batman would have next to no options.

"and he's durable enough to constantly take attacks from many Sailor Moon villains, as showcased in many desperate attempts to save Serena."
You clearly are using scaling of some sort, because you're listing this as a feat. Let's go into how durable Mamoru is.

Sailor Moon has an attack where her hairpieces amplify her crying, this attack is powerful enough to destroy an entire dimension

This dimension was big enough to reach the horizon and Usagi got completely lost in

Bear in mind the Ultrasonic is a joke attack that only gave the very first youma, the first enemy, a headache

Even if you give Batman some of the less supported scaling to multi-city block level (like to Deathstroke), and you lowball this feat to just town level from the horizon, this would still be above Batman's level, and it's a complete useless joke feat. If you have Batman at building level well joke characters like Dark Agency Members could create and maintain buildings


seemingly large buildings with many stories. And the Dark Agency are jokes. This is how Partially Awoken Sailor Venus (Sailor V) defeats that very same DA Agent


After regaining his memories in the first arc, Mamoru is comically above this. In Chapter 9, Mamoru's body completely tanked the power of the Silver Crystal leaving Usagi's body at point blank


This power was strong enough to make night appear as bright as day, was compared to a supernova, revitalized the entire Earth, and that the fully awoken Guardian Senshi could not even get near

The Silver Crystal's power if claimed by an evil use could easily destroy a star

yet Mamoru's body just completely tanks it. And this is first arc.


Even against early Mamoru, supernova and black hole level force. To save his time traveling daughter with Usagi Mamoru ran into a spacetime storm


that even the outskirts of knocked out Sailor Pluto, who was even stronger then the second arc Senshi.


Tuxedo Kamen in the second arc survived an attack from Death Phantom with the Black Crystal

Despite the Black Crystal being like an evil version of the Silver Crystal capable of warping all of spacetime


At his strongest, Mamoru has the lambda power, which grants powers of all Sailor Senshi, including the Silver Crystal, the ultimate protective force, which allowed civilian form Usagi to tank the power of civilian form Galaxia despite it being any prior enemy

including Queen Nehelenia who maintained an entire dark universe

The ultimate protective force of the universe which can protect against the Abstract Concept Chaos, and against casual universal levels of power is just an aspect of the power Mamoru wields.

The Hellbat would probably not be able to hurt Peak Mamoru. Batman has no way to product the raw force to even vaguely harm Mamoru. 

"If Tuxedo Mask ever gets pulled into close combat fighting, he could wield his cane like a sword and use it for melee styled attacks."
Anime filler. Also he could just turn into Prince Endymion who has a sword.

"Tuxedo Mask also has a seemingly endless supply of roses...."
No.

Repeat after me. Tuxedo Kamen doesn't use roses. Tuxedo Kamen doesn't use roses. Tuxedo Kamen doesn't use roses.

That is complete anime filler with nothing even remotely akin to it in the manga.

"that showcase supernatural abilities."
Thanks for being so clear in explaining their capacities.

Here's an actual explanation of their capacities if you are actually using the anime:
Disrupts telekinesis (14)
Was able to create an energy barrier (101)
Can crush the rose and throw the petals as a shotgun effect (154)

Also more importantly the Rose works on Super Senshi level enemies in Movie 3 and episode 134. Super Sailor Moon tanked Sailor Saturn's Silence Glaive which destroyed the universe sized Pharaoh 90 (125). All anime. Mamoru's roses in the anime continuity can harm universe level entities because it's powered by his love for Usagi. It would legit one-shot Batman.

This is important because they are later going to claim Mamoru's roses would bounce off Batman's armor. I'm sorry, but no. Even first arc Mamoru's rose was strong enough to one-shot Queen Beryl (46), who was so strong that Kunzite couldn't stop her wrath from killing Zoisite (35), and Kunzite was strong enough that he easily survived Sailor Moon' attack using the Silver Crystal which destroyed an entire dark tower as a side effect (35), not to mention earlier it being stated that the Silver Crystal can destroy a planet (26), as well as Kunzite being clearly stronger then Jadeite who claimed to be able to destroy a city. (13)

Yes the anime was super inconsistent with how strong the characters were presented, but first of all it's not canon in the first place so you should by judging on the canon manga, and secondly if you're going to use it then you've taken it on yourself to use the 90s anime feats and scaling inconsistent though they are.

"Each could serve as mere distractions but also have the ability to break solid objects and deflect energy attacks"
Solid Objects including Universe Level Characters as well as Batman.

Also I don't know where you're getting the second one since you don't cite anything.

"Tuxedo Mask can also heal himself or others from mortal wounds."
Oh here's the big nail in the coffin. This is a manga exclusive ability. He doesn't show that in the anime, meaning you have to be using the manga but he doesn't use roses in the manga.


Also Mamoru's psychometry can do a lot more then that.

He can deliver a shock through his hands

Can experience the memories and sensations of others

Have psychic dreams

Can channel the spirits of the Heavenly Kings

Has planetary-wise sensing abilities, down to individual people


and can send information and power to his past self

And that's still just skimming over what his psychometry can do.

"...via borrowing from the planet's energy, though this is a very limited option and isn't something he usually does."
.....uhhh no it's not. He can use psychometry for a while without any problems.

Here he uses it to maintain Chibiusa's life after her soul was taken

I also don't know where you are getting that it's the planet's energies outside of some vague attempt to connect two unrelated points (his psychometry and connection to the Earth)

"This is because the worse of the condition the planet is in, the weaker Tuxedo Mask's power will become."
Sort of.

Tuxedo Kamen, Helios, Earth and Elysian are heavily connected and drastic damage to one will harm another

"Which means you could possibly kill Tuxedo Mask with global warming as if he was some kind of Captain Planet character or something."
Not even close.

Pharaoh 90 converted a continent sized section of the Earth into deathly black lava and Sailor Saturn killed all life

Mamoru completely tanked it


It's only a "weakness" in that if the planet is destroyed, he will die. Which you know....should be telling, that his weakness is only would even apply to near planetary characters. As if his opponents would most likely be cosmic level characters.

"And that's pretty much Sailor Moon's boyfriend."
Not even really close.

I've given some mentions of Mamoru's general powerlevels here as well as some of his abilities but allow me to give a few more things Mamoru can do.

Mamoru Chiba uses the Golden Crystal of Earth a power that alongside the Silver Crystal warded off Nehelenia even when Mamoru and Usagi were in civilian state

The Golden Crystal's power is infinite as the Silver Crystal's is

The Lights of the Two Crystals were able to even impress Sailor Galaxia


Mamoru can launch an energy attack called Tuxedo La Smoking Bomber 


Mamoru has the power to spiritually project himself


Mamoru was able to watch Chibiusa across time

When Nehelenia trapped the Senshi and Mamoru in their own nightmares, Mamoru broke out of his via sheer willpower, amazing the Outer Senshi

Nehelenia ripped the Silver Crystal out of Usagi, sending her and Mamoru to the brink of death, yet Mamoru simply powered through via his willpower


Mamoru was able to survive within Death Phantom whose presence existence erases whole planets


He was able to resist the paralyzing music of Sailor Neptune, which none of the Guardian Senshi could

And as King Endymion he naturally has access to the lambda power, from which all sailor crystals are merely aspects of, giving him absolutely insane versatility. Spacetime Hax, Mental Hax, Soul Hax, Existence Erasure, etc.

Mamoru is a cosmic being, comically above Batman. Batman is frozen in time compared to Mamoru. A single tap from Mamoru would annihilate Batman. Any of Mamoru's abilities would destroy Batman. Batman's attacks would do nothing to Mamoru. 

I'm sorry, I don't like talking about stomps, but this is the sheer scale of difference. 


Now let's go over their section for Batman.

"I know we('ve?) discuss(ed?) Batman many times, but however, please give me a chance to describe him and I can guarantee you that I will not bore you, and you'll learn something new."
I'm not gonna lie, I doubt it. I am well aware of the character's feats by now.

"Anyway: Everyone meet the big, the bad, the (?) Batman!"
As I said earlier, this clearly is not even trying to have a veneer of fairness. 

"For this timeline, we're gonna use the new 52 Batman era..."
Given this comes in 2018, I would have assumed you would just use the Rebirth version since it's both the strongest and canon. Don't know why you would limit like that but fine. I can stick to just New 52 feats if you want.

"During the age of 8 years old, Bruce Thomas Wayne witness the murder of his lovable parents in front of him with his own two eyes, by a desperate homeless criminal named Joe Chill...because Joe Chill could not 'chill' out. Get it guys?"

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"Ok, enough with the bad jokes."
So I should turn off the ep then?

"(?) What happened to Joe Chill....later on one day, Batman went after him to confront him in person, took off his mask and described who he is and why is he doing this. After that, the criminal showed up, Joe confessed that he's responsible for creating Batman, and the criminals gun him down...blaming him for Batman's creation."
Ok but like....why is this relevant. This isn't part of Batman's backstory and it's not like it's feats or anything outside of MAYBE a detective feat to find the murderer who killed his parents but Batman has way better detective feats.

For instance he's described as the world's greatest detective

He discovered the League of Shadows 3 times despite being mindwiped

He found the Court of Owls while he was a child

was able to determine a being's source of power and level of power based just on a hand imprint on a piece of metal

Batman has a lot of feats.

"Back to the topic at hand, Batman is a insanely smart man"
You know what's notable here. Not once does he admit Batman has a superhuman intellect. Possibly because of his diatribe later about people being still useful without superpowers but never suggests Batman has superhuman intellect. 

How about some actual intelligence feats? For instance him and Lex Luthor being the two smartest people on the planet including numerous supergeniuses

Or how about Brother Eye, the Super AI that can create pocket dimensions

Or can create technology which can mimic the speedforce abilities

Made tech that stops Green Lantern Rings, the most powerful weapons in the universe, from working

An absolute Zero Prison perhaps

A time slowing device that makes Barry Allen slow to a crawl

Has one of the greatest strategic minds in the multiverse

Outsmarted the Cosmic Deity Darkseid

Tricked Metron the New God of knowledge

Tricks Lex Luthor:

Detected people using "Quantum Stealth Suits"

Navigated through the magical realm of Nexus unaided, thought to be impossible

Batman is cosmically intelligent. Which will make later statements somewhat interesting.

"He has 12 masters degrees. Is a master of every last martial and fighting styles. Master of stealth...like a ninja. Gymnastics, escape artist and disguise."
This is... true but not really bringing any feats. 

As a Martial Artist Batman does indeed know every single martial arts. However this includes things that simply don't exist in our world. Batman's pressure point combat can KO Solomon Grundy


He was able to force a man to fire his gun with pressure points

He can erase memories

Of course all of this relies on him getting close to Mamoru and tagging him which is not gonna happen against someone so much immensely faster. 

Stealth wise Batman has on numerous times avoided the super senses of Superman

I think you get the idea without me going into every category.

Comparing stealth for a second, Mamoru was able to sense the entire planet down to individual people in the first arc his psychometry grows in power with time. Also his future self can give him information. Stealth is not gonna work. 

"Batman's new 52 batsuit's cowl contains special lens that has night vision goggles, sonar, thermal, x-ray, lie-detector, facial recognition and lock-pick"
Notice how most of these are anti-stealth. Mamoru doesn't really use stealth anymore because he's generally in cosmic battles but if Mamoru wanted to be stealthy he could literally move faster then light, move faster then the photons could reach Batman's eyes and there would be nothing Batman could do about it.

"The gloves and gauntlets; dna samplers, shock gloves..."
No feats for it? *sigh*

Let me be honest, Minako before fully awakening released a 10 billion volt attack

You think it's got higher then 10,000,000,000 volts? 

"Wrist lasers"

Deathstroke Level Wrist Lasers, legitimately weaker then a joke attach that only gave a Youma a headache

"Bat ropes"
Yeah this will be helpful against someone who can fly and jump into orbit.

"Forearm spikes, and (?). Pretty advanced gadgets."
Honestly Batman does have some much more powerful gadgets but you haven't mentioned his big ones yet.

"We got heat knuckles..."
Mamoru's body didn't burn from the heat comparable to a supernova

"Subsonic emitters, freeze grenades"
Kunzite, a first arc enemy could freeze an entire city

"Anti-radiant..(?)..foam, and Nth Metal Battery"
Finally we get to one of his better pieces of gear. Yes Batman does have Nth Metal which is basically a magical mcguffin metal for the DC Universe. Batman primarily uses it on intangibles

"Those who don't know what Nth metal is, Nth Metal is a fictional armor from the DC Universe, from the planet Thanagar, Nth Metal has the ability to negate gravity, metamorphosis, healing factor, enhanced durability, and creating weapons and gadgets just like Hawkman and Hawkgirl."
Yes Nth Metal is one of Batman's better powers mostly because it counters a lot of defenses. The major problem with trying to use it as a weapon here is that it needs to be able to penetrate to do anything yeah it's not getting through someone with universal durability. It simply doesn't have the feats for it. I know that in Dark Days it's implied it has spatial warping capacities that could ignore physical durability but Mamoru also has powerful spatial manipulation resistance, even the Black Crystal which warps spacetime being able to hurt him.

"Remember Batman's oath, to never kill or use a firearm? Guess what, he broke that rule many times over the years while Bob Kane was still alive. No I'm not talking about the original Batman quadriology from 1989 to 1997, I'm talking about in the comics."
Oh this should be good. 

First off Batman's rule is actually that he won't kill human. He has attempted to kill aliens, vampires, and monsters without any issue

"In the very first appearance Batman comic book, Detective Comics #27, Batman purposefully made his very first body count, throwing the chemical king into the acid pool"
That was the Earth-2 Batman, from the Golden Age, not the Earth-1 Batman. The Earth-2/Golden Age Superman and Batman don't have the no kill rule that the Earth-1 Superman and Batman do. 

"You heard me right, really did throw him into the acid pool."
Not the same guy. 

"Another example, Detective Comics 48, he killed that one vampire man...(?)"
Not a human.

"One more example, if you look back behind the scene as Batman: The Killing Joke comic book Alan Grant has literally killed the Joker by strangling him to death."
Alan Grant didn't write the Killing Joke, Alan Moore did. the Killing Joke ends deliberately ambiguously and was not meant to be canon originally.

Before you ask, 'were they canon'....yes, some of them are canon and some of them are non-canon."
I've gone through the list. Literally every single example is either a non-human, not even Bruce Wayne (one example was when Azrael took over as Batman for a while) or non-canon save for the Killing Joke which is possibly canon and deliberately ambigious, and the KGBeast which was only implied initially and was later retconned as him trapping KGBeast until the police arrived.

The Earth-1 Batman has never taken human life. 

"But they're all true."
So what? Canon doesn't matter?

If canon doesn't matter and we're allowed to use composites then this whole thing just breaks down immensely. We have to start using Batman with all the one-off powers he's had (or use Composite Base Batman who honestly isn't that much better then Regular Earth-1 Batman), and we also use Composite Mamoru which you seem to vaguely be using anyway.

Canon is important because you are literally specifying which version of the character you're using, different versions often having different powersets, personalities and limitations. 

"Remember Batman: The Animated Series? Guess what, this year this series just turned 25 years old. If you haven't seen it, then I suggest you should go watch it. Such an amazing cartoon...when I was growing up."
Again, not even an attempted veneer of fairness and attempting to be impartial. Also: How is this related?

"Even Harley Quinn turned 25. Her first appearance was the animated series. Years later she made it to the spotlight...in the comics."
What are you talking about? This is just a complete tangent.

"Overall, Batman is a very strong superhero, with no superpowers, but however, he's not perfect, he can still die... but however he is still in the peak of the human condition."
BRINGING UP THAT OLD CHESTNUT ARE WE?!

Batman is superhuman. His feats are objectively superhuman by our metric. He may be only human for his universe, but if he was in our universe his feats would be beyond what any human could do. 

Could a Peak Human hold up a collapsing building

Could a Peak Human survive massive building destroying explosions

Could a Peak Human avoid light blasts

This is not even getting into the scaling Batman can have which can arguably boost him from building to city-block to multi-city block perhaps.

Also since this is the end of Batman's section I'm gonna give more of his actually really strong things that they just didn't mention

Has a dagger containing a fraction of the power of the Wizard Shazam

A Reality-Warping Mother Box

A lightning rod that can siphon the speed force:

A Kryptonian device that can rewrite genetic code

The Tower used to rewrite the multiverse in Infinite Crisis

A piece of Platinum Kryptonite, capable of giving Kryptonian abilities:

Via the Mystical Art of Thogal, can see the future

Hypnotized himself into forgetting his own secret identity

Hypnotized others into not seeing him

Zatanna gave him a charm of anti-magic

Can reality warp via backwards magic

Overpowers a powerful psychic being on the mental plane through sheer willpower


So I'm gonna basically skip past the fight scene since it's just for show. I would like to note however that their fight scene has Mamoru somehow accidentally releasing every inmate at Arkham which is the reason for the fight again showing a clear favoritism on the part of their creators and their sheer lack of even trying to be fair, and also suggests Batman would kill someone over that, which is not just against his character but would be abhorred to him.

Surprising no one they use no good abilities and show no interesting character moments. It's literally animated like they have no powers except basic attacks and the two are street level (which Batman kinda is but still)

"Oh My God, what an outstanding match AR!"
Really? That was the most tedious thing I've watched in a while. Even pretending these are not characters I know, they mostly just punched each other a bunch. They certainly were not the characters, they acted nothing like them.

The two do some kinda dumb skit, gonna go their "explanation".

"There's one thing I need to make clear, we did indeed take out Preparation Batman, who has armor who can keep up with Darkseid"
No he doesn't? The Hellbat failed against Darkseid. Also Mamoru is legitimately stronger then the Hellbat, that would have made little difference.

"and pitted him against the weakest version of Tuxedo Mask"
A: The weakest version of Tuxedo Mask is PGSM Tuxedo Mask which still stomps Batman, as he is stronger then the Silver Crystal Casual Burst that shook all of Asia, though I guess Batman might be able to hax that version. 
B: No you didn't. You mention his healing abilities which are manga-only, and his roses which are 90s anime-only
C: Why? Why not JUST use the canon version?

"While having the fight take place in Batman's home (core?, court?)"
Again, why? Why not a neutral arena? Not that it really matters as you could literally set this in the Batcave, and Mamoru would still speedstomp before a single neuron fires in Batman's head.


"If that doesn't explain why Batman wins, then my friend NightmareTrooper will be happy to further explain why Batman is one powerhouse that isn't to be messed with."
Yeah Batman is strong. But he's not cosmically strong like Mamoru. Also you didn't explain anything. You just said "we're not giving Bruce prep time and we're using the weakest version of Tuxedo Mask" without explaining. 

"I gotta tell you guys something. I see(?) a lot of people make poor judgements on Batman. I know some people will defy us and say 'no, but Batman doesn't have any superpowers but Tuxedo Mask does' "
Please don't tell me that's what you think THIS is. This is versus debating, you provide feats. I don't really care what is qualified as superpowers, I care what a character can do. Batman has no feats of moving comparable to Tuxedo Kamen and no way of resisting Tuxedo Kamen's level of power. Given prep time he would have come capacities to harm him, but in a random fight Tuxedo Kamen blitzes and one-shots. FIRST ARC Tuxedo Kamen blitzes and one-shots. This is not you showing that Batman is cool, this is not having a proper grasp on scale.

"Hey, come on guys. Just because Batman does not have any superpowers does not mean he's useless."
I don't know anyone who says that anymore. Also him not being useless is not the point here, the point is you matched him up against someone sextillions of times faster then him, who can tank his attacks and blow him up by looking at him wrong.

He goes on a rant about how characters without superpowers can be cool. You know who else that applies too?

Mamoru Chiba.


Mamoru Chiba begins Sailor Moon without any superpowers and effectively manages to become a third contender for the Silver Crystal against the supertech and magic wielding Dark Kingdom and Sailor Senshi mostly by clever planning, stealth, and charisma. He ends the series the Magical King of the Solar System, married to the savior of the entire universe, and one of the strongest beings in the entire universe.

Truth be told Mamoru was way more effective in the grand scheme then Batman. That doesn't mean Mamoru is cooler or better then Bruce, because Bruce suffered through a lot more tragedy in his personal life and had to deal with a lot more enemies.   

But it does that mean Mamoru effectively went from a powerless human who just wanted his memories to one of the most important and powerful people in the universe as well as savior of the universe many times over often just by his sheer will and courage. Usagi says she sees the Blue Earth in Mamoru's Eyes, Usagi loves the Earth represented by Mamoru, Usagi loves humanity represented by Mamoru. Mamoru is a representation of the nobility of humanity and the Earth that Usagi fell in love with.

Anyway, he goes on to say a bunch of feats for Batman which are supposed to be impressive but really aren't, either for Mamoru or even relative to Batman's best feats, it's a bunch of bullet timing and wall level stuff basically. Stuff that I wouldn't even note for fodder in SM because it's laughably unimportant.

Just two more powers I should go over.

One they claim Batman is smarter because he has an IQ of 193. .... I'm sorry what? That's not even superhuman. Mamoru has access to the Mercury Crystal via the lambda power, the mercury crystal granting an iq of 300


I agree that Bruce is smarter then Mamoru but if you are insisting Batman does not have superhuman intellect then Peak Mamoru would be smarter then him.

The other is that somehow giving Mamoru the Golden Crystal is like a stronger form of him? I don't know if you know what the golden crystal is, but the golden crystal is Mamoru's seed, it's his very existence. Mamoru without the golden crystal

literally doens't exist. I suppose what you might mean is without it's power unlocked prior to the fourth arc but yeah Mamoru stomps even during the first arc. 


Anyway as someone who has a pretty good knowledge of them, I'll say this.

Batman might be able to hypothetically do something to Mamoru if he had prep time (using Alexander's Tower or the Mother Box) and/or speed equalized. That said Mamoru is so much faster then Batman, and literally one-shots him in any number of a magnitude of ways that it's not really worth discussing. Even speed equalized Mamoru has as massive range/starting info advantage and any attack from him would dust Bruce. 

If you actually did use the weakest versions of Mamoru, there is the Live-Action version that is weaker and some game versions that are basically featless. 

That said, Manga Mamoru is obviously too strong. 90s Anime Mamoru is too strong by the second arc at least since he's ftl and continent level by then at the very least since he survived the life-wiping attack of Death Phantom. Another Story is just composite third arc manga/90s anime Mamoru he'd stomp. Sera Myu Mamoru at his weakest would still probably win since he beat the 4 Heavenly Kings by himself.