Definitely a much less obscure character than last time, but a lot of people still don't know who Kate is, her power level is a contentious topic, and with International Women's Day, I thought this would be a good blog.
Who is She?
Kate Kane is a member of the Bat-Family who was kidnapped alongside her mother and twin sister at the age of 12. Her military father broke into the terrorist's organization however only Kate could be saved, leaving Kate with emotional scars. Shaped by the experience and wanting to serve her country Kate joined the military and did fairly well though was disbanded under the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" rule, due to it coming out that she was a lesbian. Despite this, Kate retained a positive view of the military and still considered herself a soldier at heart which, combined with some inspiration from Batman, lead to her taking up the vigilante persona of Batwoman in order to continue to try and serve her country.
How Strong is She?
So this is actually a fairly contested topic with DC writers tending to rank her higher in the Bat-Family hierarchy than most fans do and with her own series being infamously inconsistent feeling, with it feeling like she gets weaker later in her own series. She goes from with slight aid outright beating metahuman threats that are some of Batman's strongest rogues like Bane and Killer Croc anf fighting against and alongside mythological monsters, urban legends and magic wielders and outright demigods to struggling against a completely normal art thief like Wolf Spider. She manages to restrain and bring down a mutated monstrous Nightwing who should be as strong or stronger than normal, Nightwing being a character who was able to beat Batman who wasn't holding back in an extremely hard-pressed fight (albeit where neither of them were using any tech) yet has to use an elaborate plan of unleasing Batman's villains on Gotham and fighting him after Bane when he's worn out just to have a chance of beating a holding back Batman who is strongly implied would have won anyway.
Some of this can be attributed to the switch in writers that changed the tone of the series very notably during her series. However if I were to try and explain it, I would say that Kate underwent heavy military and paramilitary training that trained her body to an extremely high physical level of strength, durability, and stamina which is what allows her to take blows and do considerable damage to these metahuman tier characters but that she lacks the outright supernatural feats or training in skill or intelligence that other Bat-Family members do meaning she can be relatively easily off-guarded by normal humans. Kate suggests something similar in Volume 1, Issue 30 of Batwoman saying "
You'd think after fighting werewolves and child-drowning ghosts, a guy in a spider-costume would be easy. But Wolf Spider is clever. Fights dirty. Uses distractions well..."
How she compares to the other Bat-Family members therefore can be kind of tricky to tell as she is functionally somewhat of a bruiser, having stats high enough that Batman thought she could help physically train a team including Stephanie Brown, Tim Drake, and CASSANDRA FREAKING CAIN (though this was likely mostly training them in literal physical stats and teamwork), but could more than likely lose a fight due to being outwit or outmaneuvered. The Bat-Family in general range from Mid Vigilante Tier to Low Metahuman Tier, with Kate being probably in the middle at High Vigilante tier. She's strong enough to at least temporarily go up against Metahuman threats and can win in certain conditions as well as being a threat to pretty much anyone who's not Metahuman tier, but still struggles occasionally against street crime and would likely lose most prolonged fights against metahuman tier enemies. I will mention how I think she'd fare against some other Bat-Family members later.
What are Her Powers?
Like the majority of the Bat-Family, Kate Kane doesn't have, in-universe, any metahuman abilities and instead fights with trained physical skills and capabilities as well as tech. Due to her extreme military and paramilitary training, Kate developed a high degree of strength, speed, accuracy stamina, and willpower, the last of which gives an inordinately high pain tolerance and a minor resistance to mental manipulation. She has a very keen mind and many trained skills for vigilante work. From a cross-verse powerscaling perspective the most notable of these is the signature Bat-Family ability of stealth, hers being potent enough that she can hide her presence from Supergirl despite Supergirl's super-senses. This means that functionally speaking in most verses she would essentially have the ability to turn invisible.
Batwoman also uses a variety of technology, mostly famously Kate has no aversion using firearms and lethal force the way Batman is due to her personal mindset as a soldier and military training. She also uses batarangs, a flamethrower, and an electrified net. Her cowl has infrared vision and telepathic shielding and her cape can be used for gliding. She also has some gold thread in her skull used to help patch up an injury which gives her a limited ability to sense electromagnetic fields.
What are Her Weaknesses?
Like most of the Bat-Family with the possible exception of Tim Drake, Kate is working through psychological demons and trauma and is a dramatic, stubborn, and headstrong personality. Compared to her fellow Bat-Family members, Kate is not especially skilled in hand to hand or intelligent. Now that's not to say she is unskilled or dumb. She's very smart by real world standards and would be extraordinarily skilled in the real world, but she is the only member of the Bat-Family with no training from Batman or otherwise supernatural training. While her paramilitary training was extremely physically intense, compare the 14 martial arts styles she knows to the hundreds Batman is said to know. While very impressive mentally from a real world standard, she is far more grounded in mental capacities than some of her peers.
In conclusion I think Batwoman would be roughly a High Vigilante Tier character, in the middle of the Bat-Family range which generally extends from Mid Vigilante Tier to Low Metahuman Tier.She's definitely below the tier of Bruce, Dick, and Cassie. These three though they don't technically have powers, would be classified as low metahuman tier as through physical stats mistaken for metahuman, technology, and extreme mental stats, they can beat metahuman tier enemies one on one while Kate needed at least the element of surprise and minor backup from Flamebird or Maggie Sawyer to defeat Bane or Killer Croc. However I do think she could beat Tim, Barbera (whom Kate has beaten before), and possibly Damien as being able to beat literal Batman tier opponents in any context means she could probably overwhelm them physically. I think Jason would be a more interesting fight, but would probably guess Jason would win as he could evenly fight a holding back Batman only to get beaten when Batman uses his full strength while Kate required a large plan to wear down Batman by making him fight Bane to fight a holding back Batman and would probably have lost regardless. Still being able to physically contend at all with the modern versions of Bruce, Dick, and their enemies is insanely impressive and means Batwoman would be a major threat against almost any character without outright superpowers beyond normal humanity and threaten lower metahuman tier enemies.
Happy International Womens Day imp and wow this was a REALLY COOL Blog to Celebrate it! Batwoman has always been an enigma to me, I mostly just knew that there had been several versions of her in the comics, and she had barely appeared in other media. The Ones I did know from other media also weren't Kate so I was totally new to this one, But WOW does she sound really cool. When reading her backstory she sounded similar to Captain Marvel....if the writers used the concept in a actually cool interesting way that brings nuisance to the character. Her being this Super Patriotic Soldier girl who had to leave the military for who she was (Massive props for being unwilling to even try and hide it) But then took that setback in stride and just continued doing her thing in a different way is just really inspiring.
ReplyDeleteShe also sounds like a total badass and seriously valuable member of the Bat Family with her military style teamwork training and she has the accomplishments to match, taking on tons of potent meta human threats. She did sound incredibly hard to scale to be sure with the seemingly contridictory levels of accomplishments, but I think you did an impressive job scaling her with everything taken into account and I not only totally agree with your conclusion, but I think clearing that up alone was enough to justify Kate being a focus of one of these blogs!
A lot of her stories sound incredibly interesting especially the elaborate story where she has to plan a way to take down Batman and makes Batman look insanely badass, its that kinda reverence for the legacy characters that tells you this is a good story and sets DC apart.
But I can very much see why Kate is the one you chose for this day with her strong character, and actually very well done representation!
Ah yes a good bat woman story is making batman look batman look badass. What the fuck is wrong with you?
DeleteHappy International Women’s Day! I knew absolutely nothing about Batwoman so I think you made a good choice in doing this blog. Wasn’t sure what to expect from her backstory, but it definitely feels like something that would come right out of an action-thriller film. Her military background with her having no inhibitions about using guns, and the fact that she was disbanded because of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, while still having positive feelings toward the military certainly makes her stand out among the Bat-Family in a interesting way I think. So I think I would echo Thor’s sentiment, and she does sound like a good character. Her scaling seems complicated, but I think you did a good job in justifying how strong she would be in comparison to the other Bat-Family members and explaining some of the inconsistencies, such as with that quote regarding Wolf Spider.
ReplyDeleteVery cool spotlight blog! Batman's my favorite DC superhero but I had never heard of this Batwoman before. Feels nice to walk away with a good working knowledge of her now, thanks Imp! Love her design, very fiery, which is is not what I'm used to when I think “Bat”. Pretty sad backstory, though that seems par for the course.
ReplyDeleteThe most interesting thing about this blog is Batwoman's weird power level and how hard you worked to make sense of it. Reading about her early high end feats and then her later “high end” feats certainly made my eyebrows raise. I think you did a good job rationalizing things through. Putting her at a level of impressive physical capabilities while showing why she's not beyond the reaches of a tough but “normal” human capable of utilizing methods that would take Kate by surprise not only fits what happens in her stories, but also puts her squarely in High Vigilante tier, which is exactly the conclusion you drew.
The Bat-Family's stealth, including Batwoman's, blows my mind. She can hide from Supergirl?! I love that she uses a flamethrower, too. Between her selection of weapons and badass military moves, I'm thinking Ms. Kane is one of my new favorite members of the Bat-Family. And I owe that to you and this blog, thanks Imp! Would definitely like to read more about other DC characters in this sort of format. Oh, and Happy Belated International Women's Day!
P.S. I also really dug all the cool artwork you included!Very cool spotlight blog! Batman's my favorite DC superhero but I had never heard of this Batwoman before. Feels nice to walk away with a good working knowledge of her now, thanks Imp! Love her design, very fiery, which is is not what I'm used to when I think “Bat”. Pretty sad backstory, though that seems par for the course.
The most interesting thing about this blog is Batwoman's weird power level and how hard you worked to make sense of it. Reading about her early high end feats and then her later “high end” feats certainly made my eyebrows raise. I think you did a good job rationalizing things through. Putting her at a level of impressive physical capabilities while showing why she's not beyond the reaches of a tough but “normal” human capable of utilizing methods that would take Kate by surprise not only fits what happens in her stories, but also puts her squarely in High Vigilante tier, which is exactly the conclusion you drew.
The Bat-Family's stealth, including Batwoman's, blows my mind. She can hide from Supergirl?! I love that she uses a flamethrower, too. Between her selection of weapons and badass military moves, I'm thinking Ms. Kane is one of my new favorite members of the Bat-Family. And I owe that to you and this blog, thanks Imp! Would definitely like to read more about other DC characters in this sort of format. Oh, and Happy Belated International Women's Day!
P.S. I also really dug all the cool artwork you included!
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