Response to Rewind Rumble's "Batman vs Tuxedo Mask"

As a personal objective of mine, I wanted to spread correct information about magical girl series, particularly to the vs community. As such I sent messages to several big vs debaters, saying that if they ever needed information about SM I would provide it along with citations. This included the creator of Rewind Rumble. When making this they did not contact me. As such in my estimation there is no excuse for having gotten this information incorrect. I would have give complete information and citation on demand, and they were bold enough to attempt it without me.

Truth be told, I can't think of one thing, one logical rule of vs debating that this episode adhered to.

I am a massive fan of both Sailor Moon and DC Comics. That said Batman vs Tuxedo Kamen is an absolute mismatch. Mamoru absolutely stomps Bruce. For a major fan of Dragon Ball and Marvel, this is the equivalent of trying to make a matchup between Goku and Spider-Man. Though truth be told, I honestly think Goku vs Spider-Man is MORE balanced. You have to essentially completely ignore Tuxedo Kamen's feats to give it to Batman (which they do). I don't wanna make things like this normally because I think Batman is underrated a lot of the time in the vs community, but no he's not anywhere near as strong as Tuxedo Kamen. 

Let's get into this episode. Link to original.

A (?) means I'm not quite sure what they said because of the audio.

The first approximately 1 minute 15 seconds are just set up, so I am going to skip them and get right to the actual dialogue

so the very first thing they show for Mamoru is a slide at ~1:17 claiming the following:

"Tuxedo Mask

Real Name: Darien Shields

Age: 19

Height: 5'9" (175 cm)

Species: Human"

There's a few things to address here.

Let me start with the most glaring. RR, NOBODY uses the DIC dub anymore. Just use his real name "Mamoru Chiba". It's become cliche in the moonie community to tell non-moonies how bad the DIC dub is and insist they use the real names because everyone by now uses their real names. Why are you still insisting on using the dub name?

You know one of the few things (read: the only thing) I would have said CFC and RR actually did better then DB, is that it actually specified a continuity and version. They would say specifically DCAU Superman or the like. But no here they NEVER specify continuity and only near the end do they even make a vague claim of which Mamoru they are using. Though let me be clear, assuming you actually use scaling, legit any version of Mamoru stomps here, outside of some SM video games that simply don't have feats because there's no story. Likewise Mamoru would still stomp even using the first arc. Again I liken this to doing Spider-Man vs Goku. 

Thirdly and this is the most nit-picking of them, Mamoru by EOS is not a normal human anymore, as the human species changed due to being under the auspices of the Moon and became immortal.

 This is likely the same thing as the original Moon People who colonized the planets of the Inner Solar System such as Venus

These planets have different gravity to Earth and would require superhuman physical bodies to live on. 

This is in fact consistent with the potential of humanity, who in the ancient days waged war against the people of the Moon under the reign of Metaria and Beryl

and reach superhuman states when brainwashed, enough to travel from all over a district to a store in seconds at most

let alone being a potential threat to a Partially Awoken Senshi in large numbers.

Point being, Mamoru is no longer a normal human, and literally just the citizens of Crystal Tokyo would be comparable to strong DC Street Tier Fighters. 

So anyway, then they actually start to speak and it continues to go downhill.

"So guys, I've got a question. Do you think Tuxedo Mask is way too old for Sailor Moon?"

Uhhhh....no? A: Why is this relevant to a versus match? B: Mamoru is 3 years older then Usagi in canon. At the start of the series Mamoru is 17 and Usagi is 14 and by Arc 5 of the series Mamoru is 19 starting college and Usagi is 16. 

The series ends at their marriage when Usagi is 22 and Mamoru is 25. The 90s anime which is non canon aged Mamoru up 2 years for complicated reasons. Canonically however their age gap is 3 years which is not especially troublesome. 

"Come on, he looks like a 28 year old kid (?) dating a 12 year old girl?"

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....not really, no. Anime characters are often drawn ambiguously aged but Usagi out of universe and in universe looks older then her age. Isn't that the joke people try and make at SM's expense? That they look older then they are and thus it's a trap to be attracted to teen girls? At least in the west. 

Usagi doesn't look particularly younger then say, Madoka, who was also a 14 year old anime girl

Naoko Takeuchi draws characters with relatively long faces and pointy chins, making teenagers look older then they are. 

also how does Mamoru look 28?

I know anime characters are relatively ambiguous agewise a lot, but what here screams a late 20 year old? 

"...which is gross, yuck!"

*plays a clip of Chris Hansen*

"Shao Khan has something to say to Tuxedo Mask..."

*plays a clip of Shao Khan saying "you f***" *

....I have legit never seen someone try so hard to assassinate the character of a fictional character that is so baseless.

No Mamoru is not a pedophile. The age gap between Mamoru and Usagi is not remotely creepy. It's literally a 3 year age gap. I am somewhat shocked seeing this. '

You know, when I am making fights I try my best to depict both sides at their best, because every character is someone's favorite. I believe trying to build up characters. Barring that I certainly would not show such visible disdain for a character. This isn't even putting on the veneer of trying to be fair. This is legitimately trying to attack a fictional character's "character" with something that has no basis for no reason. The only logical explanation I can understand for this bizarre statement is to try and make the audience root for Batman to win which is not just unfair but a stupid way to go about it.

Let me be 100% clear here again. There is nothing remotely pedophilic or creepy about Mamoru and Usagi's love. The two are within the same age range. Beyond that, the two are reincarnations of lovers Prince Endymion and Princess Serenity.

This is probably the worst part of the entire episode. Pedophilia is among the more vile acts a human can commit and spreading misinformation that a character has even pedophilic undertones is one of the most disparaging things one can do.

Oh and lest I forget WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH BATMAN VS TUXEDO KAMEN?! Isn't this supposed to be a versus debate?

"Tuxedo Mask is a really close ally of Sailor Moon, fighting alongside the Sailor Scouts, and protecting them at times."

Also Sailor Moon's husband at end of series. Other points to note: Yes he does fight alongside the Senshi, the scaling is exactly what makes this so godly onesided in his favor. Also stop using the DIC Dub. No one uses it anymore.

"His alternate identity is Darien Shields, at least in the English Dub"

NO IT ISN'T. The Viz dub has it as Mamoru Chiba. NO ONE uses the DIC Dub anymore. NO ONE. And in case you are thinking this came out before the Viz dub, the Viz dub came out in 2015, this came out in 2018.

"He is the reincarnation of the Earthborne Prince Darien and the lover of Princess Serena"Mamoru is the reincarnation of the Prince of the Earth, Prince Endymion and the lover of Princess Serenity, princess of the Moon.

"What are the odds of that?"
That's the "miracle romance", that their love finds each other across space and time again and again. This is why Usagi planned to kill herself when Mamoru died because she could not bear to be without him and wanted to be reincarnated with him again. That is why Nehelenia couldn't take the Silver Crystal because it crossed space and time to be with the Golden Crystal again. Usagi and Mamoru's love is one of the biggest plot points of SM.

"The reincarnated versions of the people today also happen to be good friends."
NO they were not. Usagi and Mamoru while they felt a connection to each other upon first meeting, were not friends. Mamoru made a joke about Usagi's low test score when she accidentally threw it in his face and she stormed off angry and annoyed. Have you literally not seen ONE episode or chapter of Sailor Moon?

Usagi and Mamoru were basically rivals until their identifies were revealed and they realized their love for each other.

"So yeah his past life was a prince but his early life in modern times was quite tough. Reborn on his homeworld, Darien lived a life of hardship. As a child, he and his parents were involved in a car accident. The accident claimed the lives of his parents and left him without memory and no family to go back too."
Outside of using the dub name AGAIN, most of this is accurate in terms of his backstory. On his sixth birthday, Mamoru's parents took him on a car ride, where they tragically died, stripping him of his memories.

"This forced him into an orphanage where he spent most of his early days mourning the loss of his parents and his current situation..."
Technically speaking this is anime filler, it comes from Movie 1, the manga doesn't say what happened to him for most of his childhood after the accident, though it doesn't contradict anything at least.

"However as the years would roll on Darien would eventually move on and just sort of focus on a more positive future"
I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. Mamoru was haunted by his lack of memories and his entire motivation in the first arc is to regain his memories of his parents and his own self. Strange dreams told him that the Silver Crystal would unlock his memories.

"When Darien encounter(ed?) Serena as an adult(?) again in their reincarnated forms, he doesn't appear to recognize her."
Yeah so why were you all like "They were totally friends before they got their memories back"? Or did you mean AFTER they got their memories back, in case why would they not be close? They were lovers and got murdered before reincarnating together and having a second chance together?

"They sort of build the relationship though he mainly chooses to tease her mercilessly(?) over her clumsiness...."
Well he was more making fun of her for her test scores

I guess technically he made fun of her clumsiness when he made mention of her tossing a piece of paper in his face. Wouldn't exactly call that mercilessly

Also I don't know what you mean by sort of build a relationship. The two were antagonistic to each other initially even if they felt a deeper connection, and when they got their memories back were in love with each other just as they were in the Silver Millennium. 

"and coins her the famous 'Meatball head' "

It's not very famous. Again no one uses the DIC dub anymore. What he actually calls her is "Odango Atama" which close translates to "Dumpling Head" and is translated by Viz as "Bun head".

"Now as time passed, Darien really did develop feelings for Serena, but simply could not get past the cooties stage. He wasn't neccesarily friend-zoned but things weren't working his way."

Again, no idea what you are talking about.

Mamoru had an intuitive guess that Usagi was Sailor Moon

and right before getting their memories back, Sailor Moon kisses Tuxedo Kamen, their love being what gets him to sacrifice himself for Sailor Moon revealing their past lives

Mamoru and Usagi loved each other before getting their memories back. They had already kissed twice. 

"Darien discovered who Serena really was, which was Sailor Moon..."

Why are you treating your audience like toddlers who need to be constantly reminded of stuff

"He knew that he could get past the friendzone with an alternate identity of his own, and since he's a non-creative individual he put on a stock tuxedo, a basic ballroom mask, and thus you have the quasi-superhero with the least creative name of Tuxedo Mask...it makes perfect sense, he's wearing a mask, he has tuxedo, just call the guy Tuxedo Mask."

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

In NO version of Sailor Moon, none, does Mamoru become Tuxedo Kamen to win Usagi's love. Mamoru was Tuxedo Kamen long before he met Usagi in every version. One of the most classic and iconic scenes in the series appearing in every single version that starts at the beginning is Sailor Moon's first meeting with Tuxedo Kamen in chapter 1. Mamoru was clearly Tuxedo Kamen long before Usagi was Sailor Moon.

Mamoru turned into Tuxedo Kamen not on his own will but involuntary, forced to search for the Silver Crystal

To regain his knowledge of who he is, and to stop his relentless search he required the Silver Crystal based on the strange voice in his dreams. 

Also as to his costume. Mamoru's costume was designed to bring to mind Lupin the Thief as a reference

as well as the fact that he resembles a magician, magicians often being associated with rabbits (pulling a rabbit out of a hat) and Usagi literally meaning rabbit to tie into the wordplay of "Usagi Tsukino" meaning "Rabbit of the Moon".

"As Tuxedo Mask, he would often show up to help Sailor Moon to fight the Negamonsters"

Stop with the DIC Dub. Also if you're not talking about canon not really. In the manga there was only 2 youma both being creations of Jadeite. If you replaced the word "Negamonsters" with the word "Youma" then technically this would be accurate to the 90s anime which again is not canon.

"But....what can this guy actually do?"

We are finally FINALLY getting into the actual vs stuff. 

"That's obviously what we are here for to find out."

Yeah and you do such a great job of it.

"Well for starters, Tuxedo Mask is insanely fast. He can move faster then the eye can track..."

Yeah and Superman can run faster then a cheetah, and Flash can run faster then a bullet. 

Let's get some actual feats in here.

Spoilers, they think Batman bulletiming is impressive. Mamoru in the first arc, the FIRST ARC, was fast enough to evade an attack from Minako

Minako was already a fully awoken Sailor Senshi at the time

yet before Minako had even partially awoken as a Sailor Senshi, she sent herself flying at likely FTL speeds to Venus in at most minutes

Even the Partially Awoken Senshi can casually annihilate the Kings of Heaven outside Kunzite with their casual attacks

Yet Zoisite of the Four Heavenly Kings were able to avoid an attack of reflected moonlight at close range

Tuxedo Mask is so fast that he was able to save Sailor Moon from her own attack reflected back at her

and even when he was far away and Rubeus who is on the level of the second arc senshi launched a close range attack at Usagi, he was able to sense it, transform and save her from it

Mamoru is faster by a good deal then FTL characters, Batman is a complete statue to him. Batman without prep and in base would have very little ways of even hitting Mamoru while Mamoru with just his speed alone could simply zip Batman into space.

And that's EARLY Mamoru. 

In his strongest state, Mamoru has the LAMBDA Power. The Lambda Power includes the full power of all the Sailor Crystals of the universe. 

There are these complete rookie Eternal Sailor Senshi called the Quartet who saw a distress signal at the center of the galaxy from Earth and just casually appeared there in a moment

This is casual speeds of billions of times the speed of light.

Let alone the fact that they moved to the Galaxy Cauldron at the center of a palace they were at the edge off while the lambda power which brought star seeds to all their proper places in the universe was moving the star seeds within the galaxy cauldron requiring quadrillions of times the speed of light

These are speeds of likely quadrillions of times lightspeed and they are mere aspects of the power that Mamoru uses to get around.

The speed difference between these two is so immense that it alone would give Mamoru the victory. Mamoru would be experiencing trillions of years in the time it takes Batman to experience 1 second, if you go by their speeds. Mamoru absolutely and completely speedstomps Batman. 

"leap to and from tall rooftops"

There isn't exactly much leaping feats in Sailor Moon but the Senshi do leap into ORBIT

And that was the first arc. Mamoru should easily scale. Mamoru with a single leap can be so far out of Batman's reach, that Batman would have next to no options.

"and he's durable enough to constantly take attacks from many Sailor Moon villains, as showcased in many desperate attempts to save Serena."

You clearly are using scaling of some sort, because you're listing this as a feat. Let's go into how durable Mamoru is.

Sailor Moon has an attack where her hairpieces amplify her crying, this attack is powerful enough to destroy an entire dimension

This dimension was big enough to reach the horizon and Usagi got completely lost in

Bear in mind the Ultrasonic is a joke attack that only gave the very first youma, the first enemy, a headache

Even if you give Batman some of the less supported scaling to multi-city block level (like to Deathstroke), and you lowball this feat to just town level from the horizon, this would still be above Batman's level, and it's a complete useless joke feat. If you have Batman at building level well joke characters like Dark Agency Members could create and maintain buildings

seemingly large buildings with many stories. And the Dark Agency are jokes. This is how Partially Awoken Sailor Venus (Sailor V) defeats that very same DA Agent

After regaining his memories in the first arc, Mamoru is comically above this. In Chapter 9, Mamoru's body completely tanked the power of the Silver Crystal leaving Usagi's body at point blank

This power was strong enough to make night appear as bright as day, was compared to a supernova, revitalized the entire Earth, and that the fully awoken Guardian Senshi could not even get near

The Silver Crystal's power if claimed by an evil use could easily destroy a star

yet Mamoru's body just completely tanks it. And this is first arc.

RR also shows a video of Mamoru fighting Eudial, a second arc villain. Well the second arc villains are a lot stronger then the second arc civilian form senshi who could tank being on Planet Nemesis, a black hole.

Even against early Mamoru, supernova and black hole level force. To save his time traveling daughter with Usagi Mamoru ran into a spacetime storm

that even the outskirts of knocked out Sailor Pluto, who was even stronger then the second arc Senshi.

Tuxedo Kamen in the second arc survived an attack from Death Phantom with the Black Crystal

Despite the Black Crystal being like an evil version of the Silver Crystal capable of warping all of spacetime

At his strongest, Mamoru has the lambda power, which grants powers of all Sailor Senshi, including the Silver Crystal, the ultimate protective force, which allowed civilian form Usagi to tank the power of civilian form Galaxia despite it being any prior enemy

including Queen Nehelenia who maintained an entire dark universe

The ultimate protective force of the universe which can protect against the Abstract Concept Chaos, and against casual universal levels of power is just an aspect of the power Mamoru wields.

The Hellbat would probably not be able to hurt Peak Mamoru. Batman has no way to product the raw force to even vaguely harm Mamoru. 

"If Tuxedo Mask ever gets pulled into close combat fighting, he could wield his cane like a sword and use it for melee styled attacks."

Anime filler. Also he could just turn into Prince Endymion who has a sword.

"Tuxedo Mask also has a seemingly endless supply of roses...."

No.

Repeat after me. Tuxedo Kamen doesn't use roses. Tuxedo Kamen doesn't use roses. Tuxedo Kamen doesn't use roses.

That is complete anime filler with nothing even remotely akin to it in the manga.

"that showcase supernatural abilities."

Thanks for being so clear in explaining their capacities.

Here's an actual explanation of their capacities if you are actually using the anime:

Disrupts telekinesis (14)

Was able to create an energy barrier (101)
Can crush the rose and throw the petals as a shotgun effect (154)

Also more importantly the Rose works on Super Senshi level enemies in Movie 3 and episode 134. Super Sailor Moon tanked Sailor Saturn's Silence Glaive which destroyed the universe sized Pharaoh 90 (125). All anime. Mamoru's roses in the anime continuity can harm universe level entities because it's powered by his love for Usagi. It would legit one-shot Batman.

This is important because they are later going to claim Mamoru's roses would bounce off Batman's armor. I'm sorry, but no. Even first arc Mamoru's rose was strong enough to one-shot Queen Beryl (46), who was so strong that Kunzite couldn't stop her wrath from killing Zoisite (35), and Kunzite was strong enough that he easily survived Sailor Moon' attack using the Silver Crystal which destroyed an entire dark tower as a side effect (35), not to mention earlier it being stated that the Silver Crystal can destroy a planet (26), as well as Kunzite being clearly stronger then Jadeite who claimed to be able to destroy a city. (13)

Yes the anime was super inconsistent with how strong the characters were presented, but first of all it's not canon in the first place so you should by judging on the canon manga, and secondly if you're going to use it then you've taken it on yourself to use the 90s anime feats and scaling inconsistent though they are.

"Each could serve as mere distractions but also have the ability to break solid objects and deflect energy attacks"
Solid Objects including Universe Level Characters as well as Batman.

Also I don't know where you're getting the second one since you don't cite anything.

"Tuxedo Mask can also heal himself or others from mortal wounds."
Oh here's the big nail in the coffin. This is a manga exclusive ability. He doesn't show that in the anime, meaning you have to be using the manga but he doesn't use roses in the manga.

Also Mamoru's psychometry can do a lot more then that.

He can deliver a shock through his hands

Can experience the memories and sensations of others

Have psychic dreams

Can channel the spirits of the Heavenly Kings

Has planetary-wise sensing abilities, down to individual people

and can send information and power to his past self

And that's still just skimming over what his psychometry can do.

"...via borrowing from the planet's energy, though this is a very limited option and isn't something he usually does."

.....uhhh no it's not. He can use psychometry for a while without any problems.

Here he uses it to maintain Chibiusa's life after her soul was taken

I also don't know where you are getting that it's the planet's energies outside of some vague attempt to connect two unrelated points (his psychometry and connection to the Earth)

"This is because the worse of the condition the planet is in, the weaker Tuxedo Mask's power will become."

Sort of.

Tuxedo Kamen, Helios, Earth and Elysian are heavily connected and drastic damage to one will harm another

"Which means you could possibly kill Tuxedo Mask with global warming as if he was some kind of Captain Planet character or something."

Not even close.

Pharaoh 90 converted a continent sized section of the Earth into deathly black lava and Sailor Saturn killed all life

Mamoru completely tanked it

It's only a "weakness" in that if the planet is destroyed, he will die. Which you know....should be telling, that his weakness is only would even apply to near planetary characters. As if his opponents would most likely be cosmic level characters.

"And that's pretty much Sailor Moon's boyfriend."

Not even really close.

I've given some mentions of Mamoru's general powerlevels here as well as some of his abilities but allow me to give a few more things Mamoru can do.

Mamoru Chiba uses the Golden Crystal of Earth a power that alongside the Silver Crystal warded off Nehelenia even when Mamoru and Usagi were in civilian state

The Golden Crystal's power is infinite as the Silver Crystal's is

The Lights of the Two Crystals were able to even impress Sailor Galaxia

Mamoru can launch an energy attack called Tuxedo La Smoking Bomber 

Mamoru has the power to spiritually project himself

Mamoru was able to watch Chibiusa across time

When Nehelenia trapped the Senshi and Mamoru in their own nightmares, Mamoru broke out of his via sheer willpower, amazing the Outer Senshi

Nehelenia ripped the Silver Crystal out of Usagi, sending her and Mamoru to the brink of death, yet Mamoru simply powered through via his willpower

Mamoru was able to survive within Death Phantom whose presence existence erases whole planets

He was able to resist the paralyzing music of Sailor Neptune, which none of the Guardian Senshi could

And as King Endymion he naturally has access to the lambda power, from which all sailor crystals are merely aspects of, giving him absolutely insane versatility. Spacetime Hax, Mental Hax, Soul Hax, Existence Erasure, etc.

Mamoru is a cosmic being, comically above Batman. Batman is frozen in time compared to Mamoru. A single tap from Mamoru would annihilate Batman. Any of Mamoru's abilities would destroy Batman. Batman's attacks would do nothing to Mamoru. 

I'm sorry, I don't like talking about stomps, but this is the sheer scale of difference. 

Now let's go over their section for Batman.

"I know we('ve?) discuss(ed?) Batman many times, but however, please give me a chance to describe him and I can guarantee you that I will not bore you, and you'll learn something new."

I'm not gonna lie, I doubt it. I am well aware of the character's feats by now.

"Anyway: Everyone meet the big, the bad, the (?) Batman!"

As I said earlier, this clearly is not even trying to have a veneer of fairness. 

"For this timeline, we're gonna use the new 52 Batman era..."

Given this comes in 2018, I would have assumed you would just use the Rebirth version since it's both the strongest and canon. Don't know why you would limit like that but fine. I can stick to just New 52 feats if you want.

"During the age of 8 years old, Bruce Thomas Wayne witness the murder of his lovable parents in front of him with his own two eyes, by a desperate homeless criminal named Joe Chill...because Joe Chill could not 'chill' out. Get it guys?"

"Ok, enough with the bad jokes."

So I should turn off the ep then?

"(?) What happened to Joe Chill....later on one day, Batman went after him to confront him in person, took off his mask and described who he is and why is he doing this. After that, the criminal showed up, Joe confessed that he's responsible for creating Batman, and the criminals gun him down...blaming him for Batman's creation."

Ok but like....why is this relevant. This isn't part of Batman's backstory and it's not like it's feats or anything outside of MAYBE a detective feat to find the murderer who killed his parents but Batman has way better detective feats.

For instance he's described as the world's greatest detective

He discovered the League of Shadows 3 times despite being mindwiped

He found the Court of Owls while he was a child

was able to determine a being's source of power and level of power based just on a hand imprint on a piece of metal

Batman has a lot of feats.

"Back to the topic at hand, Batman is a insanely smart man"

You know what's notable here. Not once does he admit Batman has a superhuman intellect. Possibly because of his diatribe later about people being still useful without superpowers but never suggests Batman has superhuman intellect. 

How about some actual intelligence feats? For instance him and Lex Luthor being the two smartest people on the planet including numerous supergeniuses

Or how about Brother Eye, the Super AI that can create pocket dimensions

Or can create technology which can mimic the speedforce abilities

Made tech that stops Green Lantern Rings, the most powerful weapons in the universe, from working

An absolute Zero Prison perhaps

A time slowing device that makes Barry Allen slow to a crawl

Has one of the greatest strategic minds in the multiverse

Outsmarted the Cosmic Deity Darkseid

Tricked Metron the New God of knowledge

Tricks Lex Luthor:

Detected people using "Quantum Stealth Suits"

Navigated through the magical realm of Nexus unaided, thought to be impossible

Batman is cosmically intelligent. Which will make later statements somewhat interesting.

"He has 12 masters degrees. Is a master of every last martial and fighting styles. Master of stealth...like a ninja. Gymnastics, escape artist and disguise."

This is... true but not really bringing any feats. 

As a Martial Artist Batman does indeed know every single martial arts. However this includes things that simply don't exist in our world. Batman's pressure point combat can KO Solomon Grundy

He was able to force a man to fire his gun with pressure points

He can erase memories

Of course all of this relies on him getting close to Mamoru and tagging him which is not gonna happen against someone so much immensely faster. 

Stealth wise Batman has on numerous times avoided the super senses of Superman

I think you get the idea without me going into every category.

Comparing stealth for a second, Mamoru was able to sense the entire planet down to individual people in the first arc his psychometry grows in power with time. Also his future self can give him information. Stealth is not gonna work. 

"Batman's new 52 batsuit's cowl contains special lens that has night vision goggles, sonar, thermal, x-ray, lie-detector, facial recognition and lock-pick"

Notice how most of these are anti-stealth. Mamoru doesn't really use stealth anymore because he's generally in cosmic battles but if Mamoru wanted to be stealthy he could literally move faster then light, move faster then the photons could reach Batman's eyes and there would be nothing Batman could do about it.

"The gloves and gauntlets; dna samplers, shock gloves..."

No feats for it? *sigh*

Let me be honest, Minako before fully awakening released a 10 billion volt attack

You think it's got higher then 10,000,000,000 volts? 

"Wrist lasers"

Deathstroke Level Wrist Lasers, legitimately weaker then a joke attach that only gave a Youma a headache

"Bat ropes"

Yeah this will be helpful against someone who can fly and jump into orbit.

"Forearm spikes, and (?). Pretty advanced gadgets."

Honestly Batman does have some much more powerful gadgets but you haven't mentioned his big ones yet.

"We got heat knuckles..."

Mamoru's body didn't burn from the heat comparable to a supernova

"Subsonic emitters, freeze grenades"

Kunzite, a first arc enemy could freeze an entire city

"Anti-radiant..(?)..foam, and Nth Metal Battery"

Finally we get to one of his better pieces of gear. Yes Batman does have Nth Metal which is basically a magical mcguffin metal for the DC Universe. Batman primarily uses it on intangibles

"Those who don't know what Nth metal is, Nth Metal is a fictional armor from the DC Universe, from the planet Thanagar, Nth Metal has the ability to negate gravity, metamorphosis, healing factor, enhanced durability, and creating weapons and gadgets just like Hawkman and Hawkgirl."

Yes Nth Metal is one of Batman's better powers mostly because it counters a lot of defenses. The major problem with trying to use it as a weapon here is that it needs to be able to penetrate to do anything yeah it's not getting through someone with universal durability. It simply doesn't have the feats for it. I know that in Dark Days it's implied it has spatial warping capacities that could ignore physical durability but Mamoru also has powerful spatial manipulation resistance, even the Black Crystal which warps spacetime being able to hurt him.

"Remember Batman's oath, to never kill or use a firearm? Guess what, he broke that rule many times over the years while Bob Kane was still alive. No I'm not talking about the original Batman quadriology from 1989 to 1997, I'm talking about in the comics."

Oh this should be good. 

First off Batman's rule is actually that he won't kill human. He has attempted to kill aliens, vampires, and monsters without any issue

"In the very first appearance Batman comic book, Detective Comics #27, Batman purposefully made his very first body count, throwing the chemical king into the acid pool"

That was the Earth-2 Batman, from the Golden Age, not the Earth-1 Batman. The Earth-2/Golden Age Superman and Batman don't have the no kill rule that the Earth-1 Superman and Batman do. 

"You heard me right, really did throw him into the acid pool."

Not the same guy. 

"Another example, Detective Comics 48, he killed that one vampire man...(?)"

Not a human.

"One more example, if you look back behind the scene as Batman: The Killing Joke comic book Alan Grant has literally killed the Joker by strangling him to death."

Alan Grant didn't write the Killing Joke, Alan Moore did. the Killing Joke ends deliberately ambiguously and was not meant to be canon originally.

Before you ask, 'were they canon'....yes, some of them are canon and some of them are non-canon."

I've gone through the list. Literally every single example is either a non-human, not even Bruce Wayne (one example was when Azrael took over as Batman for a while) or non-canon save for the Killing Joke which is possibly canon and deliberately ambigious, and the KGBeast which was only implied initially and was later retconned as him trapping KGBeast until the police arrived.

The Earth-1 Batman has never taken human life. 

"But they're all true."

So what? Canon doesn't matter?

If canon doesn't matter and we're allowed to use composites then this whole thing just breaks down immensely. We have to start using Batman with all the one-off powers he's had (or use Composite Base Batman who honestly isn't that much better then Regular Earth-1 Batman), and we also use Composite Mamoru which you seem to vaguely be using anyway.

Canon is important because you are literally specifying which version of the character you're using, different versions often having different powersets, personalities and limitations. 

"Remember Batman: The Animated Series? Guess what, this year this series just turned 25 years old. If you haven't seen it, then I suggest you should go watch it. Such an amazing cartoon...when I was growing up."

Again, not even an attempted veneer of fairness and attempting to be impartial. Also: How is this related?

"Even Harley Quinn turned 25. Her first appearance was the animated series. Years later she made it to the spotlight...in the comics."

What are you talking about? This is just a complete tangent.

"Overall, Batman is a very strong superhero, with no superpowers, but however, he's not perfect, he can still die... but however he is still in the peak of the human condition."

BRINGING UP THAT OLD CHESTNUT ARE WE?!

Batman is superhuman. His feats are objectively superhuman by our metric. He may be only human for his universe, but if he was in our universe his feats would be beyond what any human could do. 

Could a Peak Human hold up a collapsing building

Could a Peak Human survive massive building destroying explosions

Could a Peak Human avoid light blasts

This is not even getting into the scaling Batman can have which can arguably boost him from building to city-block to multi-city block perhaps.

Also since this is the end of Batman's section I'm gonna give more of his actually really strong things that they just didn't mention

Has a dagger containing a fraction of the power of the Wizard Shazam

A Reality-Warping Mother Box

A lightning rod that can siphon the speed force:

A Kryptonian device that can rewrite genetic code

The Tower used to rewrite the multiverse in Infinite Crisis

A piece of Platinum Kryptonite, capable of giving Kryptonian abilities:

Via the Mystical Art of Thogal, can see the future

Hypnotized himself into forgetting his own secret identity

Hypnotized others into not seeing him

Zatanna gave him a charm of anti-magic

Can reality warp via backwards magic

Overpowers a powerful psychic being on the mental plane through sheer willpower

So I'm gonna basically skip past the fight scene since it's just for show. I would like to note however that their fight scene has Mamoru somehow accidentally releasing every inmate at Arkham which is the reason for the fight again showing a clear favoritism on the part of their creators and their sheer lack of even trying to be fair, and also suggests Batman would kill someone over that, which is not just against his character but would be abhorred to him.

Surprising no one they use no good abilities and show no interesting character moments. It's literally animated like they have no powers except basic attacks and the two are street level (which Batman kinda is but still)

"Oh My God, what an outstanding match AR!"

Really? That was the most tedious thing I've watched in a while. Even pretending these are not characters I know, they mostly just punched each other a bunch. They certainly were not the characters, they acted nothing like them.

The two do some kinda dumb skit, gonna go their "explanation".

"There's one thing I need to make clear, we did indeed take out Preparation Batman, who has armor who can keep up with Darkseid"

No he doesn't? The Hellbat failed against Darkseid. Also Mamoru is legitimately stronger then the Hellbat, that would have made little difference.

"and pitted him against the weakest version of Tuxedo Mask"

A: The weakest version of Tuxedo Mask is PGSM Tuxedo Mask which still stomps Batman, as he is stronger then the Silver Crystal Casual Burst that shook all of Asia, though I guess Batman might be able to hax that version. 

B: No you didn't. You mention his healing abilities which are manga-only, and his roses which are 90s anime-only

C: Why? Why not JUST use the canon version?

"While having the fight take place in Batman's home (core?, court?)"

Again, why? Why not a neutral arena? Not that it really matters as you could literally set this in the Batcave, and Mamoru would still speedstomp before a single neuron fires in Batman's head.

"If that doesn't explain why Batman wins, then my friend NightmareTrooper will be happy to further explain why Batman is one powerhouse that isn't to be messed with."

Yeah Batman is strong. But he's not cosmically strong like Mamoru. Also you didn't explain anything. You just said "we're not giving Bruce prep time and we're using the weakest version of Tuxedo Mask" without explaining. 

"I gotta tell you guys something. I see(?) a lot of people make poor judgements on Batman. I know some people will defy us and say 'no, but Batman doesn't have any superpowers but Tuxedo Mask does' "

Please don't tell me that's what you think THIS is. This is versus debating, you provide feats. I don't really care what is qualified as superpowers, I care what a character can do. Batman has no feats of moving comparable to Tuxedo Kamen and no way of resisting Tuxedo Kamen's level of power. Given prep time he would have come capacities to harm him, but in a random fight Tuxedo Kamen blitzes and one-shots. FIRST ARC Tuxedo Kamen blitzes and one-shots. This is not you showing that Batman is cool, this is not having a proper grasp on scale.

"Hey, come on guys. Just because Batman does not have any superpowers does not mean he's useless."

I don't know anyone who says that anymore. Also him not being useless is not the point here, the point is you matched him up against someone sextillions of times faster then him, who can tank his attacks and blow him up by looking at him wrong.

He goes on a rant about how characters without superpowers can be cool. You know who else that applies too?

Mamoru Chiba.

Mamoru Chiba begins Sailor Moon without any superpowers and effectively manages to become a third contender for the Silver Crystal against the supertech and magic wielding Dark Kingdom and Sailor Senshi mostly by clever planning, stealth, and charisma. He ends the series the Magical King of the Solar System, married to the savior of the entire universe, and one of the strongest beings in the entire universe.

Truth be told Mamoru was way more effective in the grand scheme then Batman. That doesn't mean Mamoru is cooler or better then Bruce, because Bruce suffered through a lot more tragedy in his personal life and had to deal with a lot more enemies.   

But it does that mean Mamoru effectively went from a powerless human who just wanted his memories to one of the most important and powerful people in the universe as well as savior of the universe many times over often just by his sheer will and courage. Usagi says she sees the Blue Earth in Mamoru's Eyes, Usagi loves the Earth represented by Mamoru, Usagi loves humanity represented by Mamoru. Mamoru is a representation of the nobility of humanity and the Earth that Usagi fell in love with.

Anyway, he goes on to say a bunch of feats for Batman which are supposed to be impressive but really aren't, either for Mamoru or even relative to Batman's best feats, it's a bunch of bullet timing and wall level stuff basically. Stuff that I wouldn't even note for fodder in SM because it's laughably unimportant.

Just two more powers I should go over.

One they claim Batman is smarter because he has an IQ of 193. .... I'm sorry what? That's not even superhuman. Mamoru has access to the Mercury Crystal via the lambda power, the mercury crystal granting an iq of 300

I agree that Bruce is smarter then Mamoru but if you are insisting Batman does not have superhuman intellect then Peak Mamoru would be smarter then him.

The other is that somehow giving Mamoru the Golden Crystal is like a stronger form of him? I don't know if you know what the golden crystal is, but the golden crystal is Mamoru's seed, it's his very existence. Mamoru without the golden crystal

literally doens't exist. I suppose what you might mean is without it's power unlocked prior to the fourth arc but yeah Mamoru stomps even during the first arc. 

Anyway as someone who has a pretty good knowledge of them, I'll say this.

Batman might be able to hypothetically do something to Mamoru if he had prep time (using Alexander's Tower or the Mother Box) and/or speed equalized. That said Mamoru is so much faster then Batman, and literally one-shots him in any number of a magnitude of ways that it's not really worth discussing. Even speed equalized Mamoru has as massive range/starting info advantage and any attack from him would dust Bruce. 

If you actually did use the weakest versions of Mamoru, there is the Live-Action version that is weaker and some game versions that are basically featless. 

That said, Manga Mamoru is obviously too strong. 90s Anime Mamoru is too strong by the second arc at least since he's ftl and continent level by then at the very least since he survived the life-wiping attack of Death Phantom. Another Story is just composite third arc manga/90s anime Mamoru he'd stomp. Sera Myu Mamoru at his weakest would still probably win since he beat the 4 Heavenly Kings by himself.