Wednesday, August 12, 2020

What are the strongest powers in fiction

There's a lot of powers in fiction however what are the strongest powers? I can give what my current understanding is. Currently my understanding is the strongest powers are generally one set of abilities. There is one subset of those abilities that can be even stronger hypothetically.

This set of power is what I call Transcedence (X) where X is a concept that the character transcends the existence of. The more universal the concept, the more powerful the Transcendence though for any common concept, Transcedence will give an incredibly strong state of existence.

One of the most common is transduality which is Transcendence (2) meaning the character transcends 2-ness and thus duality. Transdual characters are at one with all being since there is no twoness that can be applied to them. This means that they are incredibly difficult to kill since they are a part of all being, including their opponent and any attack tried to use again them. Transcendence (1) means the character transcendence the concept of one-ness and thus is always of an indeterminate amount and wouldn't be able to be properly reduced in number as per normal. One can have with Transcedence (Numbers) or Transcedence (Quantificaiton) where one transcends any numerical system or quantification. Transcendence (Spacetime) is what vs battles wiki calls Outerversal and Transcedence (Power) is what I use to qualify for my Tier 1 characters, characters that are beyond the concept of power and which you can't be stronger or weaker then. Transcedence (concepts) includes all the below and would refer to a formless entity that can not be described by any concepts. You can then have hyper-concepts, the concepts of concepts which can be transcendence or meta-concepts of a higher metafictional layer that themselves can be transcendence with Transcedence (Meta-Concepts) or Transcendence (Reality-Fiction).

At the hypothetical furthest extreme there is the Absolute. The Absolute is by definition the highest form of being. By definition therre can only be one Absolute, though it's possible to appear to numerous to lesser beings via them seeing it from different lower perspectives (which is how I try and reconcile it when verses claim multiple absolute forces). Absolute traits of characters are defined as traits that have Transcendence (All), or in other words which are beyond any limit or boundary. A character that has Absolute Destructive Power for instance can destroy anything completely and without any fail even if not transcends normal concept of destruction. This is because it's defined as Destructive Power transcending all things.

I've long wondered how to deal with two verses absolute properties colliding. The boring answers are if they existed in the same verse they would just be the same or they would just be the same. The more interesting answer that I like is you work off feats, and try and find how many absolute properties exist to try and find a victor, IE see how many things in the verse are relevant to the Absolute Power.

Note: you can hypothetically have an Absolute Property and not be one of the strongest characters in fiction. Spider-Man has an Absolute Willpower feat where his will when put into the Nexus of all Realities effected the transcendent plane containing all of Marvel. However he's not like Lucifer Morningstar where his abilities allow him to manifest his will onto other things. It basically just means that if ONLY willpower is needed from him, he will always succeed, unless matched against another Absolute property in which case it's indeterminate since again by definition only one thing can have the "Absolute" property.

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