Tuesday, April 13, 2021

How well would the protags of my favorite series do in DC Comics

 DC Comics, arguably the largest meta-franchise in history and one of my favorite series. I wanted to make a fun blog on how each of my favorite protagonists would do in the verse and how they would fit in if their story was added to the verse. This is each character at their strongest. 


Civilian Tier:

At the bottom of the power hierarchy are civilian tier characters who probably don't make any kind of signifigant change to the verse. Haruhi Fujioka, Wirt from Over the Garden Wall and Stanley from the Stanley Parable all are normal humans in universe and while they may actually possess feats, these feats are not outside the range of normal humans. Wirt's story might impact the verse a bit differnet if you think his visit to the Unknown means he would have tapped into the Collective Unconciousness although given any manipulation of the collective unconciousness was entirely subconcious, it's unlikely this would change much.

Dante's a bit more interesting. While physically his stats would also be in this tier, Dante after his purification was able to fly to the Center of Heaven rapidly, a feat even conservatively using the Dantean cosmology's most conservative estimate would be faster then light, although lacking any offensive feats it's unlikely he could do much with such speed. More interesting is that if one were to equivocate verses Dante basically went into and saw The Source. Assuming he actually remembers the experience, this would be incredibly important information in the universe, possibly a key to unlocking the Life or Anti-Life Equations.


Warrior Tier:

Above the tier of actual civilians, you have actual warriors in the DC context which scale fodder wall level feats like Atlanteans surviving the pressure of the Deep Ocean or Ams-Fall-Off-Boy surviving a wall level explosion.

I think Yugi Muto would physically be at this tier, as he was able to leap very high into the sky and in the Millennium World, Yami Yugi survived a magic attack from a powerful evil sorcerer that could destroy large sections of stone at once. That said Yami Yugi would be pretty hax for this tier given his magical abilities. 

There's a lot more magical spellcasters in the DC Universe that could help restore Yami Yugi's memories, and would be prone to do so to help ward against Zorc returning. This is especially because in a the Wizard Shazam would have become Pharaoh of Egypt about 2 years after Yami Yugi being sealed away with Zorc, and so Shazam would be well away then Yami Yugi and Zorc's conflict. I could very well see Shazam using his magic to try and help stop Zorc's return. On the other hand, while the Millennium Items aren't that potent compared to most DC magical items, I could very well see a lot of DC magic-users especially the more low tier ones trying to get their hands on them for their abilities and connection to Zorc's magic.


Vigilante Tier:

The vigilante tier contains most of the bigger name street tiers of DC, the A and B list street level heroes. There's a few characters I think would be in this tier.

Cutie Honey from the original manga kinda lacks feats to really compete with big names but she should be able o fight on the lower range of this tier and more important is the Airborne Element Fixing Device, a device capable of creating "anything" by altering the air molecules around it which would be pretty helpful even in DC. That said I honestly think Honey would have a lot easier time of things in DC, as the main reason Panther Claw is such a threat is the Cutie Honey universe is that only Honey can really oppose them. In a world of rival super crime organizations as strong as theirs and vigilante superheroes all over the place, Panther Claw might have a lot less opportunity to go after Honey. Honey would most likely help out every now and again when there's a big crime organization to bust, especially if Panther Claw, the murderers of her father, are involved but for the most part she would have it a lot easier.

I think Princess Tutu would be somewhere in this tier. That said if the basic story of PT is kept consistent, then it would have to massively upscale Duck. That's because she was able to purify the story from Drosselmeyer who had attained similar to Fakir enlightenment and become controller of the story on a metafictional level, a level which has a lot stronger implications in DC comics, similar to the run of Animal Man where he attains enlightenment and begins metafictionally warping the story. Assuming Duck remains at her current level of power she'd be around here.

I think the Player Wizard from Magicka would probably be around here. The Wizard has great destructive power although I don't think more then someone like, say, Deathstroke could handle. And while the Wizard has a lot of broken magical abilities the character of the wizards is a lot more goofy which would balance it. At will resurrection could be a pretty major trick however. I also wonder if the Player Wizard would have some connection to the Elemental Parliments. This wouldn't really give any boost in power since people can have varying degrees of connection to the Elemental Parliments, but it does suggest the Wizard might gain some interesting "social" connections to the elemental world.

I think Mew Ichigo from Tokyo Mew Mew would be on the higher range of this tier able to boost into the Metahuman tier briefly with Mew Aqua. Mew Aqua, while it probably wouldn't be as broken in DC as it would be in Marvel since less DC characters seem to have gotten their powers from having their biology changed, the ability to restore things to their natural state would still be pretty strong. Given the Mew Mews environmental savior bents, I could see her interacting with people like Poison Ivy and Ra's Al-Ghul. 


Metahuman Tier:

The Tier for the mid tier Earth metahumans. There's a bunch of characters I think would fit here.

Panty Anarchy likely be here given the feats of the Anarchy Sisters include things like running around the world and being sneezed out by the Moon. Panty doesn't have a lot of abilities but her passive supernatural luck is a pretty good one. Given Panty's....personality, I can easily see her getting into arguments with a large number of superheroes though she may try to play nice considering the amount of attractive ones there are. Her guns only would really help against supernatural enemies though she is physically strong enough to defeat most street crime without them.  Also Panty might at some point get a Violet Lantern Ring depending on interpretation. 

Man-Bot from Freedom Force would seem to be a relatively normal Metahuman tier entity having stats mostly on par with Post-Crisis era Cyborg. That said he contains within him the infinite energy of Energy X which when unleashed can harm multiversal entities like Entropy and Time Master and power the Celestial Clock which provides all time in the multiverse, even if he can't really control it. Man-Bot probably acts as a fairly normal DC heroic ally, with someone like Batman maybe keeping his full capacity as a secret contingency against a multiversal entity. Energy X may start bestowing superpowers on new individuals although this is barely noticed in DC.

Feliciano Vargas from Hetalia is the embodiment of the Northern Half of Italy. I can't see him getting involved in any big conflicts willingly given his personality. Hilariously he may have massively more power in the DCU due to his status as a nation giving him access to the collective unconcious.

If Danny Phantom was in DC, He'd be around the Metahuman tier clearly. It would actually fit pretty well, with the Ghost Zone being a local emanation of the Underworld otherwise known as the "Phantom Zone." Danny, particularly if he grows up, would likely join the Justice League Dark for his occult-type powers and similarity power-wise to Deadman.

Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho would similarly be in the high metahuman tier, but below the cosmic tier heroes outside of a particular interpretation that would suggest he's planet level. Spirit World and Demon World don't fit very naturalistically into DC's cosmology, but Yusuke would probably be fine helping with spiritual incidents on Earth.


Lower Tier Flashpoint Cosmic Heroes:

This is about the tier where the planetary heroes start, the level of young kryptonians in Post-Crisis or Post-Flashpoint continuities. The characters here would be able to fight a Kryptonian (though not one of the big name ones) and able to fight lower end cosmic heroes.

Similarly to above, Yuki Yuna is a Hero doesn't fit well in DC's cosmology since it takes place after an apocalypse, unless you say it's an alternate timeline. Hero Yuna would probably be able to fight a low tier kryptonian given she can destroy a Moon-Sized Vertex and her forcefield has the power of Shinju. She would probably be pretty similar to Booster Gold if she found her way into the Mainline DC universe with her forcefield strength vastly exceeding her attack power, though less versatile. Technically Yuna's Divine Mankai would be far higher, but that form is arguably a fusion of her and a seperate entity, the Divine Shinju. I will put where I think Divine Mankai Yuna would be. 

Samus Aran I think would be around here, being on the level of "normal" Kryptonians or Galactic Conquerors like Lord Helspont. It's important to note that Metroid takes place in the far future which isn't a problem, but it does change who she would naturaly be interacting with. Full Phazon PED Suit Samus would be able to compete with most teen cosmic-type heroes.

Omi from Xiaolin Showdown would also probably be here given Chase Young with his essence was able to casually split the Earth in two. The hunt for the Sheng Gong Wu would be a lot harder in DC with various magical factions probably hunting them for their own purposes. I think Omi given his dediction to his training could possibly get a lot stronger in DC via training with people like Karate Kid. XS's cosmology is fairly non-intrustive and can very easily fit with DC Comic's. 

Tiara would likely become a lot stronger if she was in DC but this is where I think she would be conservatively if her power level remained the same as the Throne of Yord can maintain worlds. However the Throne of Yord is the Demiurge, the false god that created material existence to escape it's sense of loneliness. In DC the Demiurge is SYNNAR, so it's a very different sense of scale. Given the Throne of Yord mostly communicates in the forms of dreams, I think a more naturalistic fitting of Tiara into DC would be to say the Throne of Yord was a member of the court of Dream of the Endless that during the time of Morpheus' disappereance created it's own dream-reality to alleviate it's sense of loneliness. 


Mid to High Tier Flashpoint Cosmic Heroes/Low to Mid Tier Post-Crisis Cosmic Heroes:

Moving onto the higher tier cosmic heroes, this covers the strongest of Earth's defenders in the Post-Flashpoint continuity and the general range of cosmic heroes. There doesn't seem to be a massive gap in power between these two tiers and there's only one protag at this level.

Blossom from the Powerpuff Girls would be roughly in this tier, physically closer to the Mid Tier Flashpoint Cosmic Heroes and Low Tier Post-Crisis Cosmic Heroes, although she has relatively strong abilities like time travel, invisibility, and duplication such that I think she would more likely fit as a high tier Flashpoint Cosmic Hero and a Mid Tier Post-Crisis Cosmic Hero. I think some of the heroes would be a bit hesistant to bring Blossom with them as they would worry about potentially endangering the life of a child which was a similar concern for Billy Batson, though similarly she would probably earn the respect enough to allow it. Blossom's time travel would be a very helpful ability although DC time travel is kind of dangerous what with the possibility of altering the timeline in bad ways. I think if she existed in DC there would be a lot more attempts to recreate chemical or antidote x and I could maybe see Blossom particularly if she does age, eventually mentoring a group of new chemical x beings as part of a new super-team. 


High Tier Post-Crisis Cosmic Heroes/Low Tier Pre-Crisis Heroes:

At this level you have the level of the galactic defenders. I think Wander from Wander over Yonder would fit in this tier. Now he's very much NOT a fighter, but there's plenty of DC alien species that could nonethless use the helping held of a star nomad. More then literal cosmological coherence, I think Wander fits the tone of DC Comics a lot with his idealism. It's very likely he would eventually become temporarily or not an Indigo Lantern, a Lantern of compassion. If this is in the Pre-Crisis continuity where Lantern sectors covered the universe, Wander and Sylvia would likely get reinforcements from their sector's Green Lantern against the mass of supervillains that inhabit the Yonder Galaxy.

Amaterasu from Okami would likely be here, although her true godly form would likely be vastly stronger, one of the lords of Skylands in DC. Having such a massive cosmic importance as source of life it's likely she would become central to a few magic events in DC, and her ability and mission to bring blossoming and prosperity back to the world would be helpful against cosmic events that devastate the Earth. In Post-Crisis it would be both cool and in-character if Amaterasu fought alongside Wonder Woman adn then used her divine nature to grant Diana more power, as Diana gets her power from the gods favor. Amaterasu may also be able to strenghen Superman as her power is the Sun's. 


Mid Tier Pre-Crisis Heroes Tier:

So there's no really anyone I would say is really on par with Mid Tier Pre-Crisis Heroes, so I'm mostly using this for characters with power on that level, but without speed comparable to Pre-Crisis level characters. Their are general universal warping characters across DC continuities that mostly don't move while fighting or have no real speed feats so those are about this tier. Divine Mankai Yuna would be probably be here due to the fight against the Heavenly Gods.

Hikaru with Rayearth was able to resist the power of Divine Mokona who created the universes and their laws, so I imagine she could give someone like Blackstarr at least a run for her money, and if the other Rune Gods were there, might be able to win. Hikaru's story is mostly completely fine to have happened in DC although Mokona creating the universe would cause some contradictions. That said Hikaru being able to fight as a regular Vigilante and summon Rayearth from another dimension should all be fine.

Frisk from Undertale is a bit weird, in that Frisk's durability is really high to the point of surviving battles with cosmic reality-warpers but it's hard to say what Frisk's attack potency with or without determination unless you say "well...Frisk can do a little damage to Asriel" and the like. Via Metafictional SAVE and LOAD, Frisk could be quite relevant in terms of power during any period really, particularly via teamwork with other heroes since Frisk can act with basically perfect knowledge. Undertale's story works completely fine in the DCU, as there are civilizations of non-humans living underground, and the human soul is DC is very often implied or shown to have cosmic levels of power. Frisk maybe gets a Green Lantern Ring, although I'm not sure Frisk would really want to use it unless need be.

Bayonetta would be on this level as well, given her fight Jubileus and Aesir, at least probably. Bayonetta's cosmology would be massively upscaled if it was fit into DC due to the differing nature of Heaven and Hell and how strong the forces of Heaven and Hell would have to be. While literally speaking there's cosmological differences, thematically Bayonetta fits with DC really well with the theme that humans are the chaos formed of light and darkness between Heaven and Hell, something that has also been stated in DC Comics. 

Watanuki from xxxHolic as Dimensional Sorcerer Watanuki with the powers of Yuuko would probably be around the level of someone like Zatanna or similar powerful reality-warping magicians in DC. Watanuki's subtle time magic from scaling would be both a relatively distinct but also fitting ability in DC Comics. That said all the Clamp verses have a rule that people can't be resurrected which contradicts DC pretty heavily. 

Cure Black would be a relatively simple Brick in Pre-Crisis DC given she's fought and beaten numerous universe threatening evils. She seriously lacks abilities but has a few resistances and can get into a friendly brawl with some of the Pre-Crisis physical threats. 


High Crisis Pre-Crisis Cosmic Heroes Tier to Lords of Order/Chaos/Fourth World Tier:

Technically 3 distinct tiers, there is signifigant overlap between the universal cosmic power houses with strong abilities from the Pre-Crisis era, the spiritual complete reality-warping forces that have waged war over the destiny of the multiverse the Lords of Order and the Lords of Chaos and the conceptual forces presiding over the lower planes of reality with esoteric hax and abilities called the Fourth World. Generally the High Tier Pre-Crisis Cosmic Heroes could fight on par with lower bound Lords of Order and Chaos and High Tier Lords of Order and Chaos could threaten even the fourth world. It's a range that covers things massively above universal to infinite multiversal.


Sailor Moon, my favorite character, would probably be here and what I think is interesting is she would be at two seperate points. As Eternal Sailor Moon she would arguably be in the Pre-Crisis Cosmic Heroes tier though her speed is still low for it. As Sailor Cosmos she would arguably be a Lord of Order, albeit not a particularly strong one. Sailor Moon cosmology would be weird to fit into DC since Chaos essentially has the same concept as the Primal Monitor with the difference in power only really arising from difference in cosmology sizes. The Silver Millennium is probably viewed as a contempary kingdom to Atlantis and Themiscrya, and the Cosmos Crystal is probably interpreted as having some relation to Kismet who is literally the DC Universe. What's more relevant probably then Usagi's raw power is that she will literally just resurrect things. Blackest Night event and Injustice Event never happen because anyone who is killed is just resurrected by the Silver Crystal, let alone the fact that Usagi can make everyone on Earth immortal. She's also famous for her charisma and ability to redeem people, and I think could probably redeem some of the more emotionally unstable DC villains like Superboy Prime. That said Usagi isn't a fighter fundamentally, and without need to fight directly probably chooses to act more like support for the other superheroes of the DC Universe. She's one of the strongest magicians and can give the top tier magic-users a run for their money, but is eclipsed by some in experience, versatility and raw magical power.

Pegasus Seiya with his Divine Cloth would definitely be on par with some of their really high Pre-Crisis Powerhouses physically and while he doesn't neccesarily have that many offensive haxes, he has a lot of resistances and an incredible ability to gain resistances after they're used on him similar to Doomsday. He probably would have a similar place power-wise as a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian as a tank for the heroes. There are some differences in depiction between the DC and SS gods, though given Darkseid and Highfather both have their own mortal chmapions and guards, I could pretty easily see the Greek Gods doing similar with the Saints of Athenas, Mariners of Poseidon, Spectres of Hades and so on. Most likely Seiya would interact a lot with Wonder Woman and Shazam, who are around the same level of power as Seiya due to their shared interactions with the Greek Pantheon. Seiya might be higher with the Amaterasu Cloth, I don't know enough about that scaling.

Madoka would probably fit really well in as a god of the fourth world, conceptual entities from the realm beyond the physical. It's actually really easy to put Madoka in the DCU (outside of the question why no one else interacted to stop Walpurgisnacht or interact with the Incubators.) Logically Madoka would probably reside in Heaven although I personally would probably suggest she's within Dream because that just seems to fit the feel more with Gemworld already having a magical girl and the like. But yeah Madoka is one of the easiest to translate, she is essentially a being of the Fourth World, the archetypal world of concepts.

 Kratos would probably be around the tier of the lords of order, although whether he can affect them depends on which one. Fitting into the cosmology would be difficult however as he killed the gods that are very much alive and they have very different personalities in God of War. I think since Ragnarok was the death of the third world, the same ragnarok going on in the new God of Wars, I think you could say Kratos' cosmology is during the time of the old gods during the third world. Kratos as he is now wouldn't change up the comology too much as he's found peace and mostly just wants to be left alone, that said peak Kratos during the greek time was full of vengeance against the gods and his rage may cause signifigant problems as he's strong enough to be able to contend with at least one of the big name Pre-Crisis Cosmic Heroes if not more. 

Cardcaptor Sakura is interesting because unlike the prior four who all fight on higher planes of existence, Sakura doesn't really fight on a higher plane of reality, she just has really strong magic. Like it's raw magical power equal to True Dr. Fate but possesed by a young girl without that much magic experience. The closest equivalent I think would be the teenage Timothy Hunter, whose propesized to become the new merlin, the greatest magician of his era and has enormous potential but lacks in the finesse. The two are actually very comparable capabity wise and have somewhat similar feats so I think that's a good gauge for how well Sakura would do. Sakura might struggle with all the non-magical type powers running around in the DCU as Clamp mages tend to have very high resistance to magic but not as much raw physical durability that said in an actual magic fight Sakura would have enormous power and would be very helpful for the heroes. 


That's about where it ends, above this is the fifth world entities which is the cut off point. 

2 comments:

  1. ¿Hablas español? bien post amigo.

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  2. Now that you brought up Green Lanterns fightings stopping the wander villains, I just thought it would be cool to see Lord Hater get a Red Lantern.

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