Wednesday, December 27, 2023

Death Prediction: The Toiletnator vs The Box Ghost

 

Villains are known to strike fear and terror into the hearts of their enemies....but every group has their have and have-nots and some villains are lucky to strike mild annoyance, let alone terror. The two combatants today are the jokes of their universes, the laughingstocks, the wannabe-villains, but one will have to rise in this battle from loser to....possibly mediocre. 

The Toiletnator, the Warrior of the Washroom

The Box Ghost, Master of all things Cardboard and Square


Toiletnator:


Lou Pottingsworth the III was an executive at the powerful "Evil Adult Industries" who quickly climbed the rank to the illustrious role of "Vice Assistant Vice President to the Vice President of Vice Assistant President's Assistants." The boss, Father, recognized his capabilities and put him in charge of the production of a new vegetable 200 times more bitter than Brussel Sprouts. In his rush to please Father's demands, Lou cut safety corners on the building and so when the Kids Next Door, a global organization of child operatives to thwart evil adult tyranny came in, destiny struck. Lou hid in a portable toilet, which was buried under rubble, unable to escape. But this was not to be his demise.


Some supernatural entity known as the "Almighty Protector of Potty" emerged from the toilet and for his virtue of... being the only guy to use the toilet in a while, Lou was granted, against his will, supernatural powers and a new identity as his knight, the Toiletnator. After laying in wait under the ground for "what felt like two weeks more than forever," the Toiletnator dug his way to the surface a reborn being, filled with hatred for the Kids Next Door.


Unfortunately for him, even with his new abilities....he was pretty terrible as a villain, becoming the laughingstock for the villains and the Kids Next Door alike. However, the Toiletnator remains determined that one day he will get respect from the other villains and his revenge on the Kids Next Door. 


Enhanced Power:

It's debatable whether or not the Toiletnator has superhuman strength within the context of Codename: Kids Next Door's universe, as nothing suggests he or the Kids Next Door have stats that are considered superhuman within their universe context. However Kids Next Door is a cartoon-y universe that operates off of toonforce, with "normal humans" having plenty of superhuman feats of power. Whether it be normal humans tanking a building violently exploding with them inside it in Season 4, Episode 10 or a random kid hitting a baseball from the Moon to Earth in Season 3, Episode 6, or the KND shooting a mustard blast from space at a fraction of the speed of light destroying a roller rink and coating the surrounding area with completely normal teenagers inside being completely fine from the impact, there are a lot of feats that suggest even completely normal humans in the Kids Next Door universe have feats in the range of tons of TNT or higher. But there are much more impressive feats for the Kids Next Door themselves and their villains.


There are a lot of feats for the Kids Next Door and their villains being in the kiloton range. First and perhaps most obviously there are numerous feats of them surviving explosions large enough to create mushroom clouds. Numbuh 4 and his baby brother Joey survive one in Season 6, Episode 1 and Numbuh 2 survives relatively close to the epicenter of one in Season 5, Episode 10. All of Sector V survives one in Season 1, Episode 5, and numerous KND operatives survive one in Season 2, Episode 13 when two of their ships collide. Numbuh 19th Century also withstands one in Season 5, Episode 8. The amount of energy to create a mushroom cloud is stated in this article to be a minimum of 15 kilotons. The KND also get scaling from their massive base structure called the Treehouse. The Treehouse's size is somewhat inconsistent varying from being roughly the size of a large building to Season 5, Episode 3 which implies the Treehouse contains old forgotten sections large enough to extend to the horizon which would mean scaling to things that can manipulation or threaten it would also be in that kiloton level range. In Season 1, Episode 2, it is shown that the power source for the Tree House are thousands of hamsters, called "The most massive power source in the world." These Hamsters can shake the entire Treehouse with their partying in Season 6, Episode 3 and in the same episode several Hamsters survive a bomb exploding while literally strapped to it that destroys the treehouse. These hamsters are in turn. In Season 2, Episode 7, the hamsters run away from an angry Numbuh 4 and in the film Operation Z.E.R.O. all the Hamsters dive onto a Senor Citizomified Numbuh 5 without slowing her down that much. Beyond that Cree has flipped the treehouse upside down before in Season 5, Episode 6 and it is implied that the KND beat Toiletnator with enough force to shake the Treehouse in Season 4, Episode 1.


There are other Kiloton Feats as well, mostly come from feats of storm creation, with storms often releasing kilotons of energy. Count Spankulot seems to being to summon a storm before casually dispersing it in Season 2, Episode 2 (with Count Spankulot being someone Numbuh 3's little sister Mushi has physically beaten before in Season 5, Episode 10), it being arguably implied Chubbo the Ghost Hamster caused a storm in Season 2, Episode 7 and it being implied that Father creates a storm in Season 1, Episode 13 as a result of his... dissatisfaction. In fairness, Father's power varies based on his anger, KND and the Toiletnator don't scale to his full power that could shoot planetoid-sized pillars of flame. That said this is not implied to be a particularly high feat of power of Father's, with the KND later being able to easily withstand a fire blast from Father that turns their vehicle to dust in Season 4, Episode 8 as well as numerous other points withing standing fire blasts and novas from him, even when angry. There are other feats supporting this extreme level of strength and durability from the KND. Numbuh 1 has tanked a fall from literal orbit in Season 2, Episode 5 and Numbuh 5 was unaffected by the Heat of the Sun in Season 4, Episode 7. In Season 2, Episode 9 Numbuh 2 and Numbuh 4 survive a minecart collision into a central pillar that brings down what looks to be either a large hill or a small mountain and perhaps most impressive is the feat of the Dodgeball Wizard, never implied to be a particularly powerful villain in the KND universe. The Dodgeball Wizard in Season 4, Episode 13 conjures a dodgeball from seemingly thin air that dwarfs many city blocks and throws it at what would be at least hypersonic speeds if not higher, doing damage across the entire city. The Kinetic energy of this ball would at least be in the kiloton range, if not significantly higher. While the Toiletnator is considered a joke this is moreso due to his mental weaknesses and his lack of "cool" abilities, than his physical stats and he should absolutely scale to all the above save for possibly the Dodgeball Wizard and Father's feats. Toiletnator when enraged has pretty quickly beaten Numbuh 4 in Season 2, Episode 4, beats down several KND villains at once when he thought they were Sector V in disguise in Season 4, Episode 1 and handily survived being zapped by 11 Treehouse defense lasers at once in Season 1, Episode 12, these lasers being defenses used to ward off their normal villains.


There is technically higher scaling one who could scale to the Toiletnator too though they are less consistent. In the Grim Adventures of the KND crossover it's established that Codename: Kids Next Door and the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy take place in the same universe with normal humans from the latter being able to survive explosions large enough to engulf the large Bunny Island, and with Numbuh One being able to take several slaps from Mandy, with Mandy resorting to using Fred Fredburger instead of physical force to get information out of Nigel. This might not be so inconsistent if you take a higher value for the Dodgeball Wizard feat as well as Numbuh One off-handedly mentioning making Mount Vesuvius erupt caramel through an unknown method in Season 5, Episode 7. Season 3, Episode 2 introduces the football, an explosion weapon powerful enough to destroy the entire KND Moonbase 110%, the Lunar Treehouse is regularly shown to be relative in size to the entire moon. This level of explosive has some backing in the KND universe. In Season 6 Episode 12 it is stated that "Eleventy Hundred" missiles can blow up the moon. If Eleventy is taken to mean 110, that would mean 11,000 missiles can destroy the Moon requiring them each to have about 2.7 Petatons of energy at least. Numbuh 4 throws the football at his feet which explodes and is completely fine afterwards. Beyond that, a normal KND escape shuttle can pull the entire moon base in Season 2, Episode 13 with KND arguably scaling to this and with Sector V's peddling in Operation Z.E.R.O somehow powering rockets that turned the entire Moon. 


Enhanced Speed:

Similar with power, it's arguable whether Toiletnator has superhuman speed in the context of his universe, but KND humans inarguably have superhuman speed by the context of our universe. Feats of superhuman speed are everywhere, often performed by normal people. In Season 4, Episode 2 when the light goes out for a second Numbuh 2's younger brother The Tommy goes upstairs, eats a candy bar, drinks a soda, and returns without anyone noticing. In Season 2, Episode 6, Numbuh 2 repeatedly runs back and forth to the Treehouse from a restaurant an unknown distance away in seconds. In Season 4, Episode 13 Numbuh 3's Baby Brother Joey and the Dodgeball Wizard zip around a city playing dodgeball, the Dodgeball Wizard setting a sign on fire from sheer speed, and in Season 3, Episode 13 the teacher punishes the delightful children by making them stay after class and practice spelling "every word in the dictionary." These feats would realistically suggest a level of hypersonic speeds, if not higher which the Toiletnator obviously scales to from his prior feats of fighting numerous KND villains at once, as well as his feat in Season 2, Episode 4 where Numbuh 4 evades every villain in the entire series up to that point only for an enraged Toiletnator to easily land strikes him. But this is the lower-end feats.


In Operation Z.E.R.O. Grandfather converts 2/3rds of the KND Treehouses, bases scattered around the entire world, into tapioca factors in an hour, a feat that would require speeds at least exceeds Mach 21 if all he was doing was flying around the circumference of the world, but likely requires speeds in the ranges of Massively Hypersonic to Relativistic. Similarly in Season 6, Episode 1, Safety Bots quickly encase the world in bubble wrap likely requiring similar speed. In Season 3, Episode 9 KND operatives move at comparable if not superior speed to Father's animalization ray with Numbuh 362 being able to somewhat keep pace with it even when crawling away from it backwards, this ray moving fast enough to move visually in comparison to the Earth's diameter and threatening to reach the Moon quickly. Numerous characters in the series have show the ability to react and not be statue-d against lasers including normal people reacting to and moving comparably to a laser that went from Geo-Synchronous Orbit (35,786 kilometers above ground level) in two seconds requiring speeds at least around 6% lightspeed in Season 1, Episode 8, Numbuh 5 reacting to, avoiding, and blocking a laser that reflects off a mirror in Season 5, Episode 6, and a bunch of normal kids reacting to lasers in Season 4, Episode 12. The same episode has Numbuh 2 fire a device called the S.P.O.T.L.I.G.H.T. which includes "Taser" in its acronym and normal people moving somewhat comparable to it. Tasers are weapons that use electric currents to shock enemies, with electromagnetic waves literally being light. In Operation I.N.T.E.R.V.I.E.W.S. Numbuh 4 dodges Dragon Father's fire breath, a fire that moved visibly far from the Earth quickly, calced at 36% the speed of light, and in The Grim Adventures of the Kids Next Door, Numbuh 5 was able to evade Mandy and her guards, Billy and Mandy having similar enhanced cartoony speed feats with Billy being able to evade an electric attack from Hoss Delgado, similar to the taser feat mentioned above. Similarly in the Super Secret Crisis War! crossover event, Sector V fought Q-36, one of Aku's robots avoiding strikes from it at close range. Aku's robots regularly keep up with Samurai Jack, who is famously able to dodge a beam of sunlight after it was fired at him calced at 80% lightspeed.


While Relativistic is fairly consistent, there is some evidence that the Kids Next Door may be even faster. In Season 4, Episode 6 the Rainbow Monkeys are abducted at "Warp Factor Fast." Numbuh 3 is able to grab her Rainbow Monkey before it gets too fast, but Numbuh 5 is unsure their ships can catch up. This could be interpreted that at short distances, KND Operatives can keep up with their vehicles, or that the Rainbow Monkeys were being accelerated. Later that episode Sector V literally pedal their spacefaring vehicle the S.P.A.C.E.C.H.A.S.E.R. all the way to Saturn via their feet motion using bicycles. This would require contextually relativistic speed, but likely FTL speed. It's possibly vastly higher as during this pedaling section we see a background image of a galaxy passing by suggesting they somehow traveled an inter-galactic distance on the way to Saturn. This is contradicted by the fact that they were going from Earth to Saturn and also just generally that Galactic Kids Next Door and the fact that KND operations go beyond the Solar System is considered a huge secret in-universe, but if you do take it as they traveled an inter-galactic distances the feat would require speeds billions of times the speed of light. The lower bound for KND vehicles is more supported. There are many feats of vehicles in the KND universe able to fly into space or to the moon in minutes or seconds including The Tommy's clearly more primitive tech in Season 2, Episode 13. Most notable of these however is probably in Season 4, Episode 7 where Numbuh 5's vehicle which is not at all suggested to be particularly advanced flies to the Sun and then to Mars in what is minutes at most likely requiring speeds around 6.7c using average distance between the Celestial Bodies and a five minute timeframe. Later in that episode, she uses a different vehicle, reaching the Sun in under a minute reaching speeds of 8-9c. In Season 5, Episode 13, Numbuh 2 and Numbuh 5 are in a high-stakes game of tag where all KND members are trying their absolute hardest to not be "it", the two use mecha that are probably the most advanced tech they can get their hands on, likely faster than the above, and maneuver them at top speeds in close range trying to tag each other and avoid being tagged. This would be more notable to their reaction speeds but there are showings to suggest they aren't that from each other. However, the highest end for their speed comes from Season 1, Episode 4. During this ep a Golf-themed villain, the Great Puttinski wants to use a shrinking device to shrink the Earth and use it as a golf ball with the entire universe as the course. The Earth's diameter is about 300,000,000 that of a golf ball. If you assume the universe in the Great Puttinski's plan is to be shrunk down a similar amount and the Puttinski planned to play golf across a cosmic distance, which is supported by the visuals, then he'd be playing golf across a space of 3e18 meters across, this is 317 lightyears, nearly eight times the diameter of the Local Interstellar Cloud, a space that would require speeds of thousands to millions of times the speed of light to traverse in any kind of reasonable time frame. Notably in this episode, Numbuh 2 and Puttinski can react and move around while the beam is shifting things in size on a relatively tiny scale, despite the fact that the ray can supposedly shrink the entire universe, which would result in far vaster speeds.


Dinikinesis:

The Toiletnator's most famous ability is his Dinikinesis, or vortex inducement. Toiletnator has the ability to "flush" any liquid downwards like a toilet. He generally uses this to forcefully flush toilets. However, it definitely doesn't just extend to water. In Season 5, Episode 7 Toiletnator gets his most famous feat. The Entire grand canyon is filled with milk and cereal and Toiletnator, enraged at being mocked at for being a laughingstock of a villain, violently flushes the entire canyon of all the milk within. The Volume of the Grand Canyon is 4.17e12 meters cubed. Milk varies slightly but on the lower end has a density of 1,025 kilograms per meter cubed, meaning the full mass of the grand canyon full of milk would be about 4.275e15 kilograms. The canyon drains in eight seconds according to the episode's time frame going from nearly the top of the canyon to down its "drain." The Grand Canyon averages 4,000 feet in depth or 1,219.2 meters, meaning the speed would be 152.4 meters per second. This would be equivalent to 11.8 gigatons of tnt, or island level. A slightly less conservative calc of this feat came out as 252 gigatons, still island level though higher into the range. Depending on your assumptions the feat could come out as even higher.


Toilet Paper Grappling and Binding:

The Toiletnator's most used power, Lou can project toilet paper from his arms which he regularly uses to swing around places and enhance his mobility such as when he used it to climb the KND Treehouse, albeit because he used one-ply, water caused it to tear. He also uses it in combat to bind enemies, either spinning them around or creating a toilet paper ball around them to keep them from moving.


Limited Teleportation:

The Toiletnator has the ability to flush himself down a toilet somehow and then come out another one instantly as seen in Season 4, Episode 1. 


Tunneling:

In Season 5, Episode 11, the Toiletnator demonstrated an enhanced ability to tunnel underground in order to catch up with the other villains.


Elemental Manipulation (Wind and Electricity):

Outside of his liquid manipulation with his Dinikinesis, Toiletnator has shown a limited ability to control wind and electricity. In Season 5, Episode 7 when Toiletnator is using his full power to flush the grand canyon, accompanying strong winds rush in around the area strongly implied to be bacause of the Toiletntator and in Season 5, Episode 11, Toiletnator creates some kind electric surge that rushes through the ceiling lights and surrounds him. 

Anti-Intangibility:

In Season 2, Episode 7, Sector V encounters ghost hamsters who do things like pass through the floor, as ghosts are wont to do. Numbuh 3 physically interacts with these ghosts, and at first you might think that's just Kuki being particularly toonforce-y, but no later normal hamsters interact with these ghost hamsters using normal soda. The Kids Next Door-Universe is a toonforce-y universe where even mundane things and people can seem to interact with intangible ghosts. There are no instances of this outside the episode though they also never interact with ghosts or other intangible entities outside this episode meaning there isn't really anything else to base it on. However as mentioned Codename Kids Next Door does share universes with the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy where even normal people can possess others by literally jumping inside their heads suggesting they may have some level of interaction on the mental plane, just by their toonforce nature. This kind of power is fairly common in the Cartoon Network Multiverse with some level of anti-intangibility appearing very often.


Equipment:

The Toiletnator carries on him a bunch of toilet themed equipment including plungers with adhesion, a "potty bomb" capable of knocking out Numbuh 1, a glow in the dark toilet brush, and urinal cakes he uses to trip people up.


Mental Capabilities:

The Toiletnator's not the brightest overall, though in terms of strict combat skills, he's actually extremely impressive. As mentioned, an angry Toiletnator was able to easily tag and beat Numbuh 4 immediatly after Numbuh 4 had evaded pretty much every villain in the series to that point. Numbuh 4 is an extremely impressive fighter, who in Season 4, Episode 4, defeated Negative Numbuhs 1, 2, 3, and 5 at once without difficulty. Negative 1, 2, 3, and 5 are considered the greatest warriors of Negative Numbuh 4, the dictator of the entire Negative World, who thought it was impossible for them to beaten except by positive counterpart, suggesting that Numbuh 4 is easily a world class fighter. Granted Numbuh 4 does train and this was 2 seasons later, plus Toiletnator took him somewhat off-guard. That said in Season 2, Episode 13, a Numbuh 4 literally without his memories was able to beat Numbuh 274, Numbuh 274 being considered in Season 1, Episode 10 to be "the greatest member of Kids Next Door ever" suggesting even a memory-less Numbuh 4 would be a world class tier fighter. I think it can be pretty well agreed losing all one's combat memories is a bigger handicap then being taken slightly off guard.  

In Season 4, Episode 1 Toiletnator also took down Mr. Boss, Mr. Wink, Mr. Fibb. Nightbrace, and the Crazy Cat Lady, 5 villains that are usually each individually KND tier villains all while thinking they were actually Sector V with almost no resistance and later in Season 5, Episode 11, Mr. Boss agreed that Toiletnator could at least temporarily hold off Numbuh 1, Numbuh 2, Numbuh 3, Numbuh 5 at once. Numbuh 1 and Numbuh 5 are both incredibly skilled fighters with them and Numbuh 4 being somewhat relatively skilled for most of the series, with both of them probably scaling to Numbuh 4's earlier feat of beating Negative Numbuhs 1, 2, 3, and 5 over a season prior and with both of them having showings of fighting. In Season 6, Episode 13 it's shown that even as a cadet Numbuh 1 was able to somewhat avoid strikes from Numbuh 274, which is arguably consistent with Numbuh 0 suggesting that Numbuh 1's skill is hereditary and pretty soundly beats Numbuh 274 in Season 3, Episode 2. Similarly, in Season 2, Episode 10 Numbuh 5 fights her older sister Cree fairly, confirming Cree was the best fighter of the Kids Next Door but implying she's a better fighter now. If Numbuh 1 and Numbuh 5 are both some of the best fighters in the world, then the Toiletnator being able to hold both of them off even for a short time, especially with backup is a very impressive skill feat.

He also seems to have at least some long-term planning and social abilities given that in his backstory he climbed partway up the corporate ladder and was recognized for having potential by Father. 


Weaknesses: 

The Toiletnator's biggest weakness by far is that he's a moron with a complete lack of common sense. This is most clear by his gullibility. He infamously let Numbuh 1 into the villains' secret lair because Numbuh 1 was wearing a t-shirt that said "I am not Numbuh 1" and he never expected a piece of clothing to lie, though in fairness he did somewhat recognize Numbuh 4 when Numbuh 4 used the same disguise twice. Toiletnator has overly optimistic ideas on how his plans will work out.

Beyond that Toiletnator is highly excitable and suggestible in general. He's easily intimidated and highly underconfident due partly to the years of getting no respect from his enemies or supposed allies who deliberately avoid letting him know where their parties will be. He also seems to in general have less stamina than the other villains and his one-ply toilet paper becomes delicate and easily breakable from water.

He also didn't get the award for "best toilet-themed villain."


Personality:

The Toiletnator is an incompetent goofball. He wants to be a villain not really out of any spite or malice for the Kids Next Door (usually), but just to impress the other villains and to look cool. The only times Toiletnator gets actually intimidating or actually shows personal disdain towards one of the Kids Next Door are when he gets angry at one of them, usually for tricking him or making him look bad in front of the other villains. Lou seems completely unaware of his own reputation and continues to act like he's a friend to the other villains and a true menace to the Kids Next Door, possibly because of his generally positive thinking, also the source of his high determination. That said while his over-eagerness combined with his lack of realistic expectations causes him to constantly be more of an annoyance to both sides and led to his perception as a joke when he gets angry enough he can rise to the status of a true menace. 




Box Ghost:


Outside the universe, there is another side to reality, a plane of reality called the underworld, containing the realm of existence known as the spirit plane or to people of the modern day, the "Ghost Zone." The Ghost Zone is a warped reflection of the human world, whose inhabitants and domains include both distorted versions of the things of this world and more famously deceased spirits, ghosts. These ghosts normally concern themselves with the doing of the Ghost Zone, but when they escape into the human world, they become massive threats; big and strong and scary. Well, most of them. Not all ghosts are evil, don't cha know, and likewise not all ghosts are threatening. Such is the case of the laughingstock of the Ghost Zone, the Box Ghost.


The Box Ghost is a ghost of unknown origin from the Ghost Zone known for his box theme-ing. He is an extremely minor criminal in the Ghost Zone with a bounty of $2.5. Due to his egoistical nature, the Box Ghost regularly tries to go the human world and make people afraid of him solely to make himself seem bigger. During which he ran across the halfa, the half-human half-ghost boy defender of Earth Danny Phantom, becoming Danny's most minor nuisance and weakest enemy.


Despite being beaten, usually easily, over and over, the Box Ghost continues to return again and again, determined to prove himself a villain worthy of being feared.


Astral Existence:

The Box Ghost is a ghost, a manifestation of ectoplasmic energy and post-human consciousness. That is to say as explained in A Glitch of Time, Ghosts are manifestations of human emotions, usually the most powerful emotions of dead humans manifesting "bodies" of ectoplasm, an exotic form of plasma the fourth state of matter made up of charged particles. The Box Ghost is an astral plane entity unaffected by anything physical such as gravity, light, aging, and matter-energy unless they choose to be. The forms that Ghosts manifest made of their ectoplasmic energy also have numerous abilities.

Superhuman Power:

Even when humans can interact with a Ghost, they find that ghosts can become much stronger and durable than humans by far, or at least some ghosts can. It's arguable that the Box Ghost isn't actually stronger than physically capable humans in the Danny Phantom universe, but this is mostly due to it being a cartoon with normal humans having superhuman scaling. The Box Ghost's physical capabilities are definitely superhuman by our universe's standards. The Box Ghost has gotten into several fights with the Halfa Danny Phantom, and even presented a mild struggle against an early Danny. In Season 1, Episode 3, the Box Ghost's First Appearance he endures fairly easily being slammed through a building by Danny and in Season 1, Episode 5, Box Ghost manages to return the favor slamming Danny through much of his school causing him notable pain and actually managing to revert him back to his human form. This is definitely his best feat in an objective sense as it is the best showing he has against Danny. However how strong this makes him is somewhat debatable as Danny's powers are based on his emotional state. This can be seen in Season 1, Episode 13 where Danny goes from losing to the Fright Knight to overpowering him. As Danny treats the Box Ghost as a joke, it's unlikely he was anywhere near Danny's full power. That said there are a few feats that give a general idea of how strong Danny might be here. 


In Season 1, Episode 5, the same episode with the Box Ghost's best showing, Danny fights another "physically" weak ghost known as Sydney Poindexter, a scrawny nerd ghost. While Sydney manages to get the better of Danny through his powers the Box Ghost does very clearly much better in conventional combat suggesting the Box Ghost should scale above Sydney in raw power. Sydney Poindexter has a domain as most ghosts do, created of his own power, with Sydney's being an exact copy of the school but as it was in the 1950s. This would already be a building level feat but is probably higher. In Season 1, Episode 1, Tucker uses his enhanced smell to state that some meat is still in the building, "200 yards tops." with the suggestion that 200 yards is not just in the school but very easily still in the school. 200 Yards is 182.88 meters and if you think this most likely goes both ways, this would suggest the school is 365.76 meters. Blasts in fiction of 167 meters in diameter are often used as the baseline for city block level, suggesting this feat of Sydney Poindexter is a probably casual feat of tens of tons of TNT. Furthermore in Season 1, Episode 1 Danny slams into a giant meat monster, creating a crater in the ground calced at 737 tons of TNT, though this is a clearly dramatic feat for him that makes him struggle and reverts him to his civilian form. If you think that there should be some parity between the amount of force needed to revert Danny, especially as he is only first seen training later in season 1, The Box Ghost's strikes may be in the range of this 737 tons figure.


It's possible that the Box Ghost could be much stronger depending on how you think he scales, more notably to the Ghost Zone's greatest Hunter Skulker. Skulker is a powerful ghost whose domain is an entire island known as Skulker's Island seen in Season 1, Episode 18. While Skulker is vastly stronger than the Box Ghost normally, Skulker is actually a tiny weakling ghost inside of a ectoplasmic power suit. Box Ghost would easily scale above this tiny Skulker. The problem is it sometimes seems like things such as clothing or items like Ember's Guitar or Johnny's Bike are considered part of a ghost's ectoplasmic form, and as such Skulker's Power Suit would be "part" of him and the feat wouldn't scale back to Box Ghost. Box Ghost does have a few other decent showings. Under the plot manipulation control of the Ghostwriter in Season 2, Episode 10 Box Ghost takes a blow from Johnny 13, though it's unknown if Johnny had his shadow in him when he did so which makes him significantly more powerful. He also kinda matched Danny in Season 2, Episode 11 though once again Danny's powers are variable based on his emotional state, he probably wasn't trying very hard against the Box Ghost and the point of the sequence was to show Jazz's interference causing Danny to fail against weaker and weaker opponents with the Box Ghost being the final example so using it to scale him to Danny seems against the point of the sequence as the implication is that Danny should normally easily be able to catch him.


Superhuman Speed:

Once again scaling the Box Ghost to Danny's speed is a bit contentious due to Danny's speed likely varying with his level of emotion as his power does. That said in Season 1, Episode 18 the Box Ghost is able to evade numerous blows from the ghost hunter Valerie Gray's original suit and board, which was consistently on Danny's tier of speed for the first period of the series. From there it scales from Danny to the Dragon Form Dorothea that Danny can easily keep up with even as early as the second episode of the series, who can keep up with the Spectre Speeder in Season 1, Episode 8. The Spectre Speeder is a vehicle designed to travel the Ghost Zone, an endless reflection of the universe and in Season 3, Episode 12 allowed Danny and company to return from Saturn in less than a day, something that even conservatively should be relativistic in speed. This may also be consistent with the next episode and final in the series where Vlad believes he could become a "free roaming space nomad" presumably due to his own speed which may require speeds in the FTL range and if you think Box Ghost is any percent of Vlad's speech that would logically scale relativistic+ speeds to him. 


There are some things that may suggest much higher levels of speed for the Box Ghost but I personally found them very contentious. Most notably in Season 3, Episode 7, Danny uses Johnny 13's bike which the Box Ghost is probably not thousands of times slower than to return from being sent "halfway across the ghost zone" near Pariah's castle as well as him and Vlad flying back and forth to Pariah and the Fright Knight's domains near each other. However the Ghost Zone is stated to be endless in size meaning this would require them to have infinite speed which is not at all consistent, especially as Danny Phantom characters are clearly finitely faster or slower than each something, that can't be the case if they all have infinite speed. It seems much more likely that Danny is using "halfway across" in a colloquial sense to mean "far away across" or is referring to just the section of the Ghost Zone that he and the others have mapped out, which is an unquantifiable distance. 


Bodily Manipulation/Regeneration:

As a Ghost, the Box Ghost's body is a manifestation from the astral plane that he can adjust in anyway he wants. In Season 3, Episode 8 the Box Ghost causes his head to come off and spin around, makes his brain pop out of his head and makes his eyes pop out of his head. The Box Ghost was able to turn himself into smoke and then back. Other Ghosts have also demonstrated the ability to stretch their bodies, split their bodies in two, and transform their limbs into weapons, which the Box Ghost can also likely do. These bodies can also be made to weakly or non-interactive with physical phenomena meaning they don't interact with matter, light goes through them, and gravity doesn't affect them, an effect that they can extend to any object they're touching. In other words they can walk through walls, disappear and fly. 


This also gives him a form of regeneration. The level of the regeneration is somewhat contradicted with Danny suggesting in Season 3, Episode 6 that that reducing Undergrowth to ash would be something he couldn't regenerate from but Hotep-Ra regenerating from dust in Season 2, Episode 15. It's possible the difference is that ghosts that were once humans are actually regenerating from deceased human consciousness and emotions while ghosts that are just part of the Ghost Zone reflecting parts of the human world are just regenerating from their own ectoplasmic bodies. The Box Ghost being seemingly a human ghost would thus have arguably a form of low-godly regeneration, though the speed of this is regeneration is unknown as well as a much faster regeneration of his ectoplasmic body that happens nigh-instantly. 


Telekinesis/Enchantment:

The Box Ghost can imbue objects with his ectoplasmic energy, allowing him to move them at will. Hypothetically he could do this with anything, though his hyper-fixation on boxes means he almost always attacks by telekinetically throwing boxes and the things contained within at an enemy. He very briefly rebranded however as the "Mechanical Frog Ghost" just because he wanted too, showing pretty clearly that he could use his telekinesis on other things if he wanted too. 

When a ghost imbues an object with their power, it can also cause more subtle effects. In Season 1, Episode 14 the ghost Kitty imbues pieces of her clothing with her ectoplasmic energy so that when Jazz started to wear them it would allow her to start mentally influencing Jazz to act more like her and eventually for the two to swap places. In Season 2, Episode 5 when Danny transformed into Danny Phantom within the Ecto-skeleton it transformed the design of it to match him. In Season 2, Episode 9 when Danny's ghost half overshadowed Vlad's ghost half, the evil of Vlad's ghost half transformed Danny into Dark Danny.


Overshadowing:

The fullest extension of the prior enchanting ability, a ghost can fully enter into something, taking control of it. When done on a normal person this allows the ghost to possess them, though apparently it causes their voice to sound funny stated in Season 1, Episode 2. In the same episode it is stated that memories of that time period are all a blur to the possessed. As with enchanting there is also a more subtle influence with Danny being able to leave a more subtle influence on Sam's parents in Season 2, Episode 19. Doing this can also allow a ghost to remove other influences from within someone's body, including other ghosts possessing them. This possession has been overriden by a very strong will temporarily. 

Overshadowing also has a few other usages. A Ghost can overshadow a sleeping person to enter into their dreams as shown in Season 3, Episode 9, and can overshadow technology to enter the data within such that they can enter a game world in Season 1, Episode 12. 


Energy and Likely Elemental/Weather Manipulation:

As Ghosts bodies are made of ectoplasmic energy, controlling their bodies is fundamentally the same as controlling their energy. The Box Ghost has shown the ability to create an energy aura around himself and can likely project into his energy into beams. Beyond that other ghosts have shown the ability to create fire, electricity, and light with their energy as well to affect the weather with their powers creating localized rain as seen in Season 1, Episode 1 and Season 1, Episode 13.

Creation:

Ghosts perpetually generate the ectoplasmic energy they use for their bodies and other things they need. This is to the extent that Technus was able to create from himself technology that could be used to create a limitless power source and it's suggested that the ghosts created their own domains. 

Potential Biological Manipulation:

In Season 1, Episode 7 and Season 2, Episode 16 it is shown that exposure to a very large amount of ectoplasm at once can cause a disease known as "Ecto-acne" which can lead one to being hospitalized for years or even to die. In Season 1, Episode 6 Jack and Maddie also suggest ghosts can cause illness through an unknown method. It's unknown to what extent the Box Ghost could intentionally or unintentionally use this but presumably at least overtime the Box Ghost could cause this effect against a human opponent due to the prolonged exposure to his perpetually generating ectoplasm.


Power Amplification:

Ghosts gain their powers from emotions. While normally this is the emotions of their astral self, numerous ghosts have gained power from the emotions of others, Desiree from the happiness of wishes being granted, Ember from the attention of her fans, Spectra from teen insecurities. If a Ghost can find a new emotional drive within them, they can dramatically increase their power.

Mental Resistances:

Ghosts can resist the mental effects caused by other ghosts so long as they want too, including overshadowing as well as having a resistance to normal biological effects as their bodies are anything but conventional. 


Equipment:

In Season 2, Episode 5, the Box Ghost unleashes his secret weapon, the "Bubble Wrap of Death!" which he used to wrap up enemies in bubble wrap. 

In Season 3, Episode 8, the Box Ghost in an attempt to get people to fear him, also uses several other boxes that he may have access too normally. This includes the Mailbox of Misfortune that can create paper to give people papercuts, the Jewelrybox of Despair which has rings that turns one's fingers green, the Lunchbox of Fear which summons a thermos and sandwiches to clog the arteries and provide a slow death, and the Shoebox of Terror which shoots out a lot of shoes which pinch the feet uncomfortably.

Stealth Capabilities:

While the Box Ghost's mental capabilities are normally vey unimpressive, the Box Ghost does seem to have relatively high skill in stealth as in Season 3, Episode 8, the Box Ghost was able to steal Pandora's Box, an extremely powerful object that presumably many people would want to steal if they could.


Weaknesses:

The Box Ghost is weak to numerous substances that repel ghosts. Ectoranium, Blood Blossoms, and anti-ghost technology. Like all ghosts neither he nor his ectoplasm can naturally affect physical objects to the point that a human in the ghost zone is like a ghost in the human world, completely untouchable. While ghosts can make their ectoplasm physical in order to interact with physical objects, this means that they can similarly be interacted with by normal physical objects. 

Beyond that however, the Box Ghost is a completely incompetent arrogant buffoon. He is regularly treated like a total idiot who provides no real challenge and even continues to try and scare people even as they are beating him down with zero difficulty. In fairness to him, the Box Ghost on many instances has been shown to run away from beings stronger than him such as Skulker, Valerie, and Walker's forces. It's not that in his arrogance he assumes his power is much higher than it is, but that he assumes he's much scarier than he is to the point of being able to terrify anyone, even very powerful characters, even when all obvious evidence is to the contrary. 


Personality:

The Box Ghost is one of the oldest character tropes in fiction dating back to at least ancient Greek Theatre, the Alazon, a comedic archetype of a character that thinks he's vastly greater than he actually is with a dramatic and show off-y disposition. The Box Ghost is a theatrical and dramatic personality that seeks nothing but to make people fear and respect him. He prides himself on his supposed scariness and ability to make enemies tremble before him, despite his ineptitude and lack of power. Of the ghost villains in Danny's rogue gallery, Box Ghost is actually relatively non-malevolent and harmless, even as he tries to be a major villain, with his idea of horrible terrifying acts often being at best pranks, and at worst a complete misunderstanding of human psychology such as when he gave people calorie-high sandwiches under the notion that a slow death over 40 years from clogged arteries would be a terrifying proposition. 




The Moon's light shone eerily down upon the beach as the waves crashed near to the new beach-side estate. Eerier still a ghostly smoke slowly crept into the slightly ajar window, manifesting itself into an invisible ghostly form. 

Hovering in the room, the Box Ghost looked at the little red-haired girl asleep in bed cuddled up to one of her multi-colored primate toys. An evil grin made its way on his face. This city was far away from Amity Park. With little experience with ghosts, he would begin a new reign of terror across this land.

Hovering in midair, the Box Ghost made himself appear, as he made the moving boxes in the room hover in midair, a dim green light filling the room. The girl's eyes slowly peeled open as she shot up in bed at the floating glowing boxes and pointed one finger at the floating figure of the Box Ghost.

"Beware! I am the Box Ghost!" he said waving his hands menacingly, and a shrill girlish shriek filled the air.


Bright lights were flashing across the street as the Toiletnator walked up to the area with tons of police and guards surrounding the area. In the center with his kid still in pajamas hovering near him and her two little brothers looming nearby looking all drowsy, the Toiletnator could see the angry scowl of his bestest buddy and boss, Mr. Boss.

"MR. BOSS! MR. BOSS!" The Toiletnator said running up to him. "I came as fast as I could!"

"Ughhh." Mr. Boss said putting one hand to his face. "Not now Toiletnator. Some looney broke into my new summer home, scaring my little girl, and now the guards can't find him. I don't have time for... What?" Mr. Boss said turning to one of the guards. "What do you mean you searched the whole house? SEARCH IT AGAIN!" 

Mr. Boss was getting red in the face and Toiletnator got a big smile. If he could track down the intruder, Mr. Boss would be so happy with him! Maybe he'd even finally start remembering to send him invites to villain parties! "Don't worry, Mr. Boss sir, I will go in there and get this intruder myself!"

The boss was clearly not listening and waved his hand dismissively "yeah yeah whatever Toiletnator." And with such words of encouragement, Toiletnator shot out a toilet paper rope from his arm and swung into the garage.


The home's living room was quiet with the search teams convinced the intruder was no longer there. Yet unbeknownst to them, he was. The Box Ghost invisibly hovered near the base of the stairs, amused at the fear and confusion he had caused. Suddenly he heard the sound of the door to the garage open. A strange person dressed in toilet paper like a bad Halloween mummy costume and a toilet on his head walked into the living room, shaking from nervousness.

"H...Hello? Mr. Intruder?" Toiletnator's voice rang out shaky. "Come out now or else I'm gonna get REAL sore!"

Suddenly a voice came from nowhere, making the Toiletnator jump in surprise. "They send a toilet paper mummy to stop ME?! Augh!"

"Who said that?!" The Toiletnator said in shock when suddenly a blue-ish man seemed to appear from nothing. While his floating and sudden appearance made Toiletnator jump, he was surprised at how... not intimidating he looked. He had no supervillain costume, and looked like basically a normal construction worker. If anything his blue skin made him look kind of sick.

"It is I who said that!" the man declared. "I am the Box Ghost, master of all things cardboard and square!" and then with added emphasis he held his arms up and said "BEWARE!"

The Toiletnator looked him up and down, still nervous, but also with some defiance. "Yeah, well, I'm the Toiletnator, and if you're gonna mess with my buddy Mr. Boss, then I'm gonna FLUSH you!"

Fight!

The Toilenator rocketed forwards, his hand connecting with the Box Ghost's head. 

"Ha! I got yeAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" Toiletnator's words turned into a horrified scream as Box Ghost's head was knocked clear across the living room. The head noticed the change and with mild anger declared "Hey! I need that."

The Box Ghost's faded into smoke which reconnected with his body returning to normal. In the meantime the reality that his enemy was indeed, a real ghost, had gotten through to the Toiletnator who let out a high-pitched scream of fear that pierced the night.

At this surprising turn of events he was unused to the Box Ghost was taken off guard. "Uhh... A-Ha! Yes! Fear me! Master of all containers!" The Box Ghost tried to sound confident as he did so and his efforts were rewarded as the Toiletnator shook in terror. 

However as the Box Ghost began to laugh at the rush of power, Toiletnator's mind raced through all the times he had been laughed at.

"What am I doing?" Toiletnator thought to himself. "I have to stop him if I want to get Mr. Boss' respect, even if he is a...g...g...g....ghost."

Toiletnator lunged for the laughing ghost, however without thinking the ghost's form split apart and the Toiletnator went literally right through him, slamming into the wall. Incensed at the sudden attack, the Box Ghost flew at the potty protector to slam into him but at the last moment, the Toiletnator combat rolled out of the way with the Box Ghost passing right through the wall.

The Toiletnator quickly got to his feet and backwards stumbled towards the center of the room looking in every direction for his spectral foe. Unbeknownst to him the Box Ghost, while invisible was sneaking up to the light switch. With the sudden darkness the Toiletnator let out a quick yelp and dodged low, hiding behind the couch.

A few moments passed. The Toiletnator fumbled with his glow in the dark toilet brush which bathed the lower part of the room in a light glow. However it was not the only thing as the many boxes in the room carrying the Fulbright's family's supplies began to lift into the air. The Box Ghost even called to his side the Toiletnator's toilet brush to join the circular dance of boxes and materials around him. The invisible Box Ghost hovered in the middle of the room as the glowing boxes began hover in a circle around and addressed his opponent. 

 "Fear Me Human! For I, The Box Ghost have shall bring you to your swift doom among the packages of the... uh....." The Box Ghost stopped quickly to read the name on all the boxes around him. In the meantime, the Toiletnator poked his head out over the couch, seeing the boxes and even his own toilet brush moving in a circle floating in midair, roughly from where the ghost's voice was coming from... he wondered

"Mr. and Mrs. Fulbright!" The Box Ghost concluded triumphantly however as he finished speaking the Toiletnator took a plunger in one hand and used the toilet paper roll on the other hand to swing himself towards the center of the room, hitting the box ghost straight on with a plunger which sunk into his ectoplasmic form's face, the Toiletnator holding onto the other end and thus hovering in midair. 

In a panic at the sudden plunger on him, the Box Ghost began zipping around the room knocking things around as the Toiletnator clung on for dear life, the two smashing into the walls.

"MMHMMHMHMHMHMHMHM" Box Ghost tried to yell in anger, though his voice was muffled by the toilet plunger. 

Suddenly the Box Ghost turned intangible causing the plunger to slip through him, but as the Box Ghost came to a dead stop in midair the same could not be said of the Toiletnator and the plunger which continued as the Toiletnator yelled as he smashed through the side of the wall into an adjacent hall, out of sight of his phantasmal foe.

Hovering in midair, the Box Ghost felt his face in confusion. Despite his opponent's comical appearance, he had actually hit him. The Box Ghost had felt it. Clearly this "Toiletnator" was a human of much power. A grin crossed the Box Ghost's face. If he scared away this Toiletnator, then surely he would be respected for the terrifying specter he was! A green spectral flaming aura engulfed the Box Ghost illuminating the area in ghostly light as he hovered down the hallway to engage his foe. 

Suddenly, a flushing sound pierced through the night silence, blurring into the distant sound of police sirens. The Box Ghost hurried to the bathroom but to his surprise found no one there. He brought his finger to his chin, confused.

Meanwhile in the upstairs bathroom, the Toiletnator emerged from the toilet and hurried to open the window. He shot out some toilet paper that wrapped around the ceiling doing some quick visualizations in his head about where he should swing to land right atop the Box Ghost, smashing into him. With a loud Tarzan-like yell, he swing from the room feet out ready to plant them right into that ghost swinging around the side of the house.... only to slam right into the wall right above the downstairs bathroom window. 

Inside the bathroom, the Box Ghost heard the loud collision by his side like a bird flew into the window, only bigger.... Looking at the window he saw the white blur of his opponent pass by the window. Quickly he phased through the wall floating above his enemy who was laying in a daze on the ground with little birdies flying around his head.

"haHA!" The Box Ghost said with one hand raised to the air. "You cannot run from ME! Especially not when contained in... the bubble wrap of DEATHHHH"

As he said so, he quickly bounded the Toiletnator and hovered over his prone form he declared "You cannot escape. This is your DOOM!"

The Box Ghost's words penetrated into the Toiletnator's mind, snapping him out of his daze and he let out a loud scream and flailed his arms wildly....which tore the bubble wrap to pieces. The two villains looked as the pieces of bubble wrap fell to the ground anti-climactically before looking back at each other. 

Before his opponent could react, Toiletnator quickly threw a punch into the Box Ghost's midsection causing the ghost to double over in pain. 

"OUCH! Uh...I mean....Cease your resistance hu-man!" Toiletnator stood up straighter looking angry as the Box Ghost realized the problem "or you...will....be.............. destroyed?" 

There was another momentary pause before the Box Ghost wordlessly turned. 

The Toiletnator quickly encased him in a giant toilet paper ball only for the Box Ghost to simply phase through it. The Toiletnator tried to grab the escaping ghost but the Box Ghost literally slipped through his fingers as a ghostly smoke, retreating back inside the house by phasing through the wall.

Raising one eyebrow at the strange game his opponent was playing, the Toiletnator cautiously walked through the back door. He made his way through the dark house wishing he still had his glow in the dark toilet brush to light the way. In the darkness what he didn't see was a computer monitor where the Box Ghost hovered behind the virtual trash bin watching the potty protector slowly move down the hall.

The Box Ghost slipped through out the computer screen invisibly and floated behind the Toiletnator looking for a moment to strike. The moment passed before his eyes as he saw the Toiletnator walk past some boxes, not even giving them any notice. 

"That will be his undoing!" The Box Ghost thought to himself as he levitated the boxes behind the Toiletnator and flung them at him.

A sudden rushing of the wind alerted the Toiletnator to the incoming threats behind him and he jumped into the air above the thrown boxes letting out a loud combat roar as he spun around and seamlessly threw a urinal cake along the ground to hit his foe behind.

Hovering in midair, the Box Ghost looked at the urinal cakes underneath him wondering what that was supposed to do. The Toiletnator followed it by throwing a potty bomb. The Box Ghost watched it come closer but with its arc reaching only near him he presumed his opponent had missed.... until the potty bomb exploded covering the hallway in cleaning soap and ectoplasmic goop that had been the Box Ghost. 

"Phew! I did it!" The Toiletnator said, tired but excited as he learned against the wall. However to his horror the goop began to reform and the Box Ghost reappeared hovering. 

"Nice Try, but you can't destroy me so easily!" The Box Ghost said "I am the Box Ghost, master of all containers and packages! And now you are DOOMED!"

However to his surprise the Toiletnator just drooped his head, with a few teardrops leaking from him as he banged against the wall. 

"I know..." he said "I am doomed. A supervilllain like you wouldn't understand what it's like, being a joke of a villain, the laughingstock, losing over and over. I thought I was so close this time..." 

Something in the Toiletnator's words reached Box Ghost's spiritual core as he hovered over his broken foe unsure. "It is....not EMBARRASING to lose to the great Box Ghost..." The Box Ghost declared. "You fought well and so I shall grant you the chance to FLEE human! But BEWARE the Box Ghost's vengeance!"

However the Toiletnator rose, his sadness shifting to something different. The Box Ghost's pity brought to his mind racing images, of all his losses and humiliations.  "No. I don't WANT to run away again. I want to be a winner for once!" 

The wind howled outside furiously slamming the open windows near the upstairs bathroom and the garage door. And far away on the waves began to swirl and foam. All the electricity in the house came to life, crackling a white glow towards the Toiletnator as an electrical aura surrounded him. The Box Ghost nervously turned intangible.

"I'm going to beat you!" The Toiletnator declared angrily, his voice sounds slightly static-y like a television screen set to static. "Not so Mr. Boss will like me, but so that I will like myself!" and with that the Toiletnator lunged forwards and to the Box Ghost's shock actually hit the intangible ghost.

An electrical surge of pain ran through the Box Ghost, real pain he had not felt since he was alive, as the electrical surged passed through his ectoplasmic body, as the Toiletnator's pure determination hit his soul directly. The Box Ghost feebly grabbed the electrical arm of the Toiletnator zapping him as the Toiletnator grabbed the Box Ghost's lower body with his other arm's toilet paper. Then with a mighty hurl the Toiletnator flung the Box Ghost through the house over the beach. Sharp breaths came from the Toiletnator as the last few moments flashed before his eyes and he rushed over to the beach to find his opponent.

His opponent had stopped himself in midair above the ocean which was burning and bubbling like the ghost's soul, forming into a cyclone. The sudden power and resolve of the Toiletnator had shocked the Box Ghost and part of him wanted to flee. But running away is all he had ever done. Running from Walker, from Pariah, from the Halfa, from Pandora. Something else was working in him, a will he had never known. The Toiletnator's words were echoing in his head and as he flew back towards the surface the dark and mist were pierced by his flaming aura glowing larger than ever, his soul burning with a new fire.

The Toiletnator stepped onto the beach with determination, electricity still crackling from him. Hovering over the edge of the water was the Box Ghost, his aura a flame to match the Toiletnator's electricity. A rain fall over the area, the wind grew to a furious roar, and the seas roared in turned circling ever faster and more violently. 

Stretching himself long and thin like an ectoplasmic missile, the Box Ghost shot down at the Toiletnator, a loud boom cracking the air as he broke the sound barrier. The Toiletnator masterfully sidestepped the advance and attempted to spin and land a mighty electric blow. However his blow felt only air as the Box Ghost divided his body in two, reforming on the other side of the Toiletnator. The Toiletnator dodged under a blow and jumped over a sweep of the Box Ghost's legs, the Box Ghost unable to hit him. 

Enraged, the Box Ghost's hands shone with green energy and suddenly energy blasts came from them emerald bolts of ectoplasmic energy which knocked the surprised Toiletnator onto his face in the sand.

Looking at his hands in happy surprise the Box Ghost flew into the air and began to rain down bolts of energy. The Toiletnator heard them approaching and sped off with the Box Ghost flying behind him, the bolts kicking up sand into the air like a plane's missiles.

With the sand temporarily obscuring the Toiletnator's position, he quickly turned and shot out his toilet paper to grab onto the flowing glowing Box Ghost, trying to surprise him by grappling up to him. The Box Ghost found him suddenly grabbed by his enemy's toilet paper. He saw his enemy rapidly come up to him.... only for the one-ply toilet paper to break as Toiletnator was in midair. The two looked into each others eyes for a moment in midair before Toiletnator, hovering in the air for a moment looked down to the ground.

"Ah Crud!" The Toiletnator said as he dropped like a weight and smashed into the ground. 

The Box Ghost, seizing this chance, made his hands glow green with ectoplasmic power and flew directly at his opponent only to slam into the ground. He raised his head out of the sand, sputtering out sand in confusion. He looked down to see a strange hole was the only thing there despite the Toiletnator was being there a second ago. 

The Toiletnator, having expected this attack from the Box Ghost quickly tunneled slightly behind the place he had fallen and burst out of the ground like a groundhog, throwing another potty bomb at the Box Ghost. 

The bomb exploded and once again the Box Ghost exploded to goop though even faster than last time the Box Ghost reformed. The Toiletnator leapt at him prepared to strike but the Box Ghost shifted against into smoke which engulfed the Toiletnator. The Toiletnator coughed and sputtered as his eyes started glowing green.

A strange and unnatural grin made it ways on the Toiletnator's face. He then began to punch himself in the face.

"Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself?" the Box Ghost said from within the Toiletnator.

The Box Ghost emerged from the Toiletnator, hovering over him and laughing at the dazed and bruised Toiletnator. The battered villain was seeing stars but the familiar sound of being laughed at broke him out and he gave a furious yell of anger.

At his yell the waters whipped into a fury unlike it had ever seen this close to land, the wind ripped strongly enough to send cars flying towards the beach, with huge waves breaking over the horizon smashing the nearby houses to rubble, the furious roar of the whirlpool forming near the beach like the mouth of furious Charybdis.

The Box Ghost hovered and looking at the maelstrom going on around him and the ball of electricity engulfing the Toiletnator. The Box Ghost fired another blast at the Toiletnator, who was pushed back, but dug his heels into the sand, skidding along the beach. 

"I'm...going to.... DESTROY YOU!!!" He said in fury, his eyes with leaping flames inside them.

The Toiletnator raced at the Box Ghost though the Box Ghost slipped into the ground intangibly. As the Toiletnator came to a confused stop, the Box Ghost emerged from the ground knocking Toiletnator up into the air with his strike before the Toiletnator shot out some toilet paper and grabbed the Box Ghost in midair and slammed him furiously against the ground. 

As his feet hit the beach, the Toiletnator looked for the remains of the Box Ghost already reforming and tried to grab it with his toilet paper, but suddenly felt the strange sensation of turning intangible along with the reforming Box Ghost. 

Unused to being intangible, the Toiletnator wasn't prepared for the Box Ghost zipping towards the ground and reverting the Toiletnator he was connected to tangibility to slam Toilenator against the ground repeatedly. 

"Uhhhh....h.h..h.h..h....." The Toiletnator said, stumbling around in confusion. Seeing his chance the Box emerged from the ground and with all the determination he could muster struck Toiletnator away from the beach, the force of the blow cracking the air.

Desperately the Toiletnator shot out his toilet paper which clung to two edges of a city block as Toiletnator was launched all the way to the middle of the street by the Box Ghost's blow, the toilet paper beginning to stretch at the strain and slow, the tension filling the line like a giant rubber band.

And just as suddenly, it snapped back shooting the Toiletnator like a missile across the street city, catching fire from the sheer speed and intensity. As he did he yelled in fury and determination, his yell reverberating into the distance.

In the distance the Box Ghost saw something heading at him and let out a confused "Um.... Beware?" before a millisecond later the Toiletnator shot across the entire distance and slammed into the Box Ghost, hitting his very soul. The force knocked his ectoplasmic body far back into the epicenter of the giant whirlpool, the force not just splattering the Box Ghost but reducing him to bits floating in the ocean.




After the commotion the Toiletnator ran up to Mr. Boss excitedly, waving his arms in the air. "Mr. Boss! Mr. Boss! I did it! I defeated the ghost intruder!"

Mr Boss put one hand on Toiletnator's shoulder. "Ah that's great Toiletnator, really swell. There's just one little tiny detail..."

Mr. Boss shouted in fury "YOU DESTROYED MY HOUSE!"

Toiletnator looked around at the rubble of Mr. Boss home destroyed by the maelstrom and realization suddenly came to him as he let out a dejected "Ohhh...."

KO!

For a fight between two joke villains with simple gags this one became rather complicated.

First it was pretty clear Toiletnator had superior stats in pretty much all regards outside possibly range and stamina.

In terms of power, there are lot of showings of completely normal civilians in the KND-verse equivalent to the best things the Box Ghost definitively scales to. KND is simply a much more cartoon-y verse. The Box Ghost scales somewhere in the range of double digit to triple digit tons of TNT comfortably while the Toilenator scales somewhere in the double to triple digit kilotons of TNT comfortably, meaning the Toilenator is likely hundreds to thousands of times more powerful than the Box Ghost, with even the lowest gap of the two's lowballed power being a 20x gap and the highest difference assuming Box Ghost is equal to Sydney who maintained a large school building and some of the treehouse shenanigans being a gap of 2,000,000x. Most likely however is a gap of hundreds to thousands of times which is enough that the Toiletnator should be able to tank any direct attack Box Ghost does while the Toiletnator's blows should go through Box Ghost like tissue paper. This will be complicated later by the abilities of the two, but broadly Toiletnator is much stronger than the Box Ghost. 

The more you highball them, the more extreme this effect gets. If you think Box Ghost scales to part of Skulker who created an island as his domain, you could just as easily say normal humans in the shared KND/Grim Adventures verse can survive the destruction of the large Bunny Island with the Toiletnator being able to damage Numbuh 4 who survived a bomb capable of destroying the planetoid sized KND Moon Base, a power gap of likely millions or billions of times over along with numerous other supporting feats. And if you're really gonna use these crazy scaling of saying Box Ghost legitimately scales to ghosts seeming to have stars in the background of their domain and suggesting that they created multi-stellar dimensions, The Toiletnator has similar to superior scaling with Numbuh 3's scream reaching outside the galaxy. There are genuinely people who argue that the Box Ghost is even higher in scaling, but it's very easy to make the same arguments for Toiletnator. I don't really believe either character scales this high, I am merely supporting the point that if you give them equally conservative or generous scaling, the Toiletnator should be much stronger and more durable, mostly due to Codename: Kids Next Door being much more cartoony in its physical feats than Danny Phantom.

In terms of speed it's somewhat similar albeit vastly less extreme. Both characters scale to relativistic feats. The ones Toiletnator scales to are higher into the relativistic range but it's obvious the one Box Ghost scales to is a conservative estimate. However Box Ghost does downscale from his relativistic feat, being slower but able to keep up with Valerie who is around Danny's speed who is around Dorathea's speed who is around the Spectre Speeder's speed. Meanwhile the Toiletnator upscales from him with normal humans reacting to these relativistic lasers and Toiletnator able to land hits on the most skilled agents in the world. As such, the Toiletnator should have the speed advantage, if not by a very large margin. Though once again if you highball these characters more than speed gap is not only still there but increases with the arguments of either character being FTL or more once again leading to similar to higher speed gaps for the Toiletnator. 

Mentally the Toiletnator also has the clear edge. The Box Ghost has almost no feats of combat skill except landing hits on a very early and inexperienced Danny Phantom. Meanwhile Toiletnator can hold off several of the best agents in a world-class operation. Similarly while both characters lack common sense, Toiletnator has at least shown some level of social influencing and long-term planning. The only area Box Ghost might be higher is Box Ghost might be more proficient at stealth than the Toiletnator even without his abilities but that's not something he requires that much help in.

So that brings us to the complicated part, the characters abilities. This is definitely the Box Ghost's biggest advantage over the Toiletnator, next to confidence and aggressiveness. The Toiletnator has several toilet-themed abilities but the Box Ghost has access to a wide spectrum of ghost-based abilities, many of them highly potent in themselves, so the question becomes is the Box Ghost's advantages in terms of his abilities enough to overcompensate the fairly large different in stats.

If you're considering how the Box Ghost can kill the Toiletnator, while his normal punches and the potential ranged attacks he can utilize probably don't have the force to get past Toiletnator's raw durability, the Box Ghost does have several options. He can possess Toiletnator and get him to kill himself, he can maybe use his intangibility to phase Toiletnator partially into something or deep underwater/underground to suffocate him, he can potentially immerse Toiletnator into something like a video game and just delete him, and if he finds a new emotion within himself he can amplify his power and maybe beat him down that way. The last two situations are very hypothetical and would require very specific situations, with the former case requiring a specific environment that has technology to utilize and the latter being undefined how much stronger it would make him. So to me the only two ways the Box Ghost really has to kill the Toiletnator is to possess him into doing so himself, which may not work if Toiletnator is enraged as strong enough willpower can resist overshadowing, and phasing Toiletnator into or under something, which Toiletnator might be able to recover from with his tunneling depending on what exactly Box Ghost tries. Not to mention these are both strategies that the Box Ghost is highly unlikely to try as they are both very out of character.

In contrast, how can the Toiletnator kill the Box Ghost? Well the Toiletnator can probably hit the Box Ghost due to his astral plane interaction. However there's really sort of three concepts embeded in that: Toiletnator affecting the ectoplasmic body of Box Ghost despite its intangibility, Toiletnator affecting the ectoplasmic body of Box Ghost despite its plasmic/non-solid nature, and most importantly Toiletnator affecting the original soul of the Box Ghost, assuming Box Ghost is a deceased human soul like Ember and Dorothea and not some kind of creature of the Ghost Zone like Undergrowth and Vortex.

For the first consideration, it seems fairly likely. If people in the KND universe can affect intangible things like ghosts, then the Toiletnator probably should be able to affect the Box Ghost's ectoplasm body, especially as he needs to manifest to physically interact with the Toiletnator. For the second consideration it's more complicated. The raw power gap between the two isn't actually high enough for the Toiletnator to just reduce the plasma making up the Box Ghost to molecules with his punches, meaning his strikes would just sort of part Box Ghost's body which would come back together like a gas. However the Toiletnator should have two ways around this. The Toiletnator can create an electric aura around himself. Electricity actually can affect plasma, and in fact the electric charge is what makes the difference between gas and plasma. This is actually implied in Danny Phantom Season 1, Episode 7 when Vlad Plasmius has to go intangible to avoid being hit by a "lightning" blast from the Fenton Family Ghost Assault Vehicle. Though you could argue that the potency of the Toiletnator's electricity manipulation is unclear. The other is that if he can expose the Box Ghost's body to the full force of his Dinikinesis, the sheer gap is probably enough to destroy Box Ghost's body with a gap of billions of times in power. 

The most important however is whether he can destroy the soul of the Box Ghost, which is his "true self." Otherwise he can just keep reforming his body, albeit in an unknown timeframe. If you think that the Box Ghost's soul is just a soul and nothing else is really known about it than any strike from the Toiletnator should be able to one-shot the Box Ghost. If you think that the Box Ghost's astral self has the same abilities as his physical manifestations which may logically follow as their astral selves are essentially granting their bodies these abilities, than the Box Ghost's soul should be at least as durable as his physical self, as well as having the same defenses meaning even if Toiletnator and his abilities can affect the Box Ghost's soul he would still need to use either his electricity manipulation or Dinikinesis to destroy the Box Ghost's soul.

This means that functionally speaking both characters are potentially immune to their opponents normal strikes (with some chance that Toiletnator's strikes would one-shot) but both require specific strategies to defeat the other. That said I think Toiletnator is far more likely to use one of the strategies that would beat the Box Ghost before the inverse can happen due to three factors

1: The Toiletnator is a smarter and more competent fighter having better planning ability

2: The Toiletnator's strategies are more so extensions of what he would naturally be trying to do, with his electricity manipulation being something he'd use even in a normal fight scenario

3: The difference in their characters. The Box Ghost is an arrogant dramatic character who is trying to look as impressive as possible while the Toiletnator is suggestible and cowardly. If they fought the Box Ghost could punch and blast Toiletnator and the Toiletnator would probably scream in pain and act like the attacks are very effective, feeding Box Ghost's ego without either realizing it, even though the attacks aren't doing anything. The Box Ghost for almost the entire fight would think he's winning even when he's doing nothing. At the same time he would be very show-y if Toiletnator's attacks and strategies do nothing to him, wanting to scare Toiletnator. While he might succeed at doing so in the process, it will at least inform Toiletnator what strategies do and don't work. 

I will say the Box Ghost would have complete control over the range of the fight. With his likely energy blasts, as well as his ability to shift his body around, flight, and telekinetic control over any items the Toiletnator tries to use, the Box Ghost can choose at any moment whether the fight would be at range or at melee. The Toiletnator does have a few tricks like tunneling and limited teleportation that might surprise Box Ghost, but they're definitely less consistent things he could use. If the Box Ghost wanted he could probably wear down Toiletnator from a distance. 

While it's not entirely known what the Box Ghost WOULD do in a fight to the death, as he's used to fighting someone who just seals him back into the ghost zone, and keeping at range might not even be out of character for him against someone much stronger as he's shown to flee from characters who are much more powerful and recognize his own limits in power, the problem once again comes from information. Walker, Pariah, and Pandora are all people the Box Ghost is aware of in terms of how powerful they are. In contrast, the Toiletnator looks like a completely normal human in a silly outfit, and would react in pain and fear at everything the Box Ghost does. While he might eventually figure out the Toiletnator is strong for a human, there would be no reason to worry the Toiletnator could kill him until it was too late.

Fittingly enough this is not so much a fight I think the Toiletnator would win as one I think the Box Ghost would lose. Both characters have ways to win but the Toiletnator's are more direct, more things he would think to do, and more something he would know he needs to try while the strategies the Box Ghost would need to use are ones he wouldn't realize he should use. The Box Ghost's very versatile but without the intelligence to use it properly, I think the Toiletnator would win through his higher overall stats and ability to negate the Box Ghost's usual defense he relies on. 

Oh and as one final note, the alazon role would traditionally be bested by a role called the eiron, a humble character archetype who beat his rival by understating his own abilities. 


The winner is.... The Toiletnator



Next Time:


Thanks a lot to my friend ThorGundersen1058 for this great next time trailer.

Sorry about the massive delays on this blog. Partly I had to wait for A Glitch in Time to become available, partly there was some miscommunications related to this blog, and partly I just felt demotivated lately. I hope you enjoyed. 

4 comments:

  1. XD I love The Toiletnator so much, he's such a fun joke of a character, great read.

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  2. I Have waited a long time to see this matchup happen and I can safely say this was More than worth the wait! This was an AWESOME Blog Imp and felt more like a belated Christmas Present to me than it did a VS Fight just because of how much love and fanservice this did to me, someone who has loved both these franchises since I was a little kid! The way you analyzed both characters, broke down the power structure of both series and wrote this incredible fight scene absolutely Blew my Mind and I can say most surely, there is no way I could have done any better myself, with you going so above and beyond in some places such as including scaling to other cartoon network series KND has crossed over with when appropriate, or addressing the far more outlandish numbers people could wank these two to with more questionable scaling to prove your points in the end.
    I Really love both these characters, as far as Joke villains go these two have always stuck out in my mind as being the gold standard, being legitimately funny and well explored characters, who have their own powers, multiple episodes dedicated to them, and plenty of moments where they actually get to shine as somewhat legitimate threats. This was kinda your version of Hercule Satan VS Dan Hibiki, but I thought far better than that matchup because these two despite their jokey nature in context, actually have a LOT to back themselves up as big deal threats which makes their battle have so much more potential in all regards.
    I Really loved seeing your breakdown of Lou and his extremely unorthodox power-set, and then comparing it to Box Ghost, who has a much more traditional one but gains most of it simply by ability scaling. I have known the General advantages of this fight for years, that Lou was a lot more raw powerful, had far better feats in stats and secondary stats alike and really just needed to realize his potential. While Box Ghost had a super diverse and potentially really dangerous arsenal that could not only keep him in the fight but could totally let him win, but he just needed to drop his arrogant ego and use some goddamn tactics for once! Despite knowing all of that I Never really dove deep enough to solve this, but I do know I was always Kinda Rooting for Lou here!

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    1. I Love Box Ghost a lot, I think he's really funny, but goddamn is he arrogant, the guy never learns, never doesn't believe his own hype, and because of that in a way always kinda gets whats coming to him. It's a lot less easy to get behind him that it is Lou, whose sad clown persona of constantly feeling like a loser and desperately trying to break out of it makes him incredibly endearing, and I know I and a lot of other fans wanted to see him actually succeed for once as He more than any villain in KND feels like he really deserves it.
      I think a surprising thing I loved about your End Analysis is the comparison of their personalities, even going back to freaking Greek Bardic Theater with the alazon and the eiron! Showing that Box Ghost's inflated Ego of himself clashing with the massive Loser Energy that Lou gives off with his appearance and reactions would keep Box Ghost in a confident state of messing around instead of thinking "Outside the Box", while Lou in a state of desperately pulling out anything he could to win almost indefinitely, making it so Lou would be basically guaranteed to find his simpler win cons every time far in advanced was pure genius and left me unbelievably impressed!
      Lastly the fight scene.....That was AMAZING! I loved literally EVERYTHING about it! The setting was really smart and allowed for both characters to use their powers to the max! I Loved the involvement of the Fulbright Fam, It made this really feel like it was taking place within an official crossover and not just some generic setting, and the fight was hilarous! I Loved the use of so many funny visual gags from both series that I could see so clearly in my head! The characterization and Lines from both of them were so on-point that I totally heard everything they said in their voice with their inflections, and The Fight got goddamn EPIC several times with the badass lighting and intensity I know from both series!
      This was fantastic imp! I Think it is easily one of my top 5 favorite fights from you! and I really could not have asked for better!

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  3. Nice job Imp! I know you didn’t grow up with these characters, but it’s so cool to see you delve into the Nickelodeon vs Cartoon Network wars and I think you captured these joke characters pretty well. Right off the bat, this really is a perfect joke matchup, and these characters just feel right to put together. This is emphasized even more so by your comparison of them to Greek Theater archetypes, the alazon and eiron; that’s a cool fact I didn’t know that just adds an extra layer of entertainment to this dynamic XD.

    Toiletnator is probably my favorite of the two characters, since he feels so much like an underdog character in KND while also being a pretty funny joke character. He may be a villain, but there was definitely a part of me that wanted him to be recognized by his superiors when I watched that show. I did not read the KND comics, but his whole backstory of being granted powers by the “Almighty Protector of Potty” just makes him even funnier in my eyes. The Toonforce feats of KND were very entertainingly absurd to read through such as potentially getting Hypersonic speed by making kids write every word in the dictionary! I forgot how crazy some of the feats from that series are just for normal people! I am also glad you acknowledged the Billy & Mandy scaling with that crossover. As a side note, I think Dinikinesis is my favorite power of Toiletnator even being able to flush the Grand Canyon!

    Box Ghost, formerly known as the “The Mechanical Frog Ghost” was also pretty entertaining. I expected most of his ghost abilities, but it just makes me wonder what his fixation on boxes is lol. I thought you did a good job of deducting his power and speed, even acknowledging the absurd high ends of Danny Phantom. He also has even higher regeneration than I expected so that certainly gives him staying power. I thought the personality section was good too, pointing out how Box Ghost’s idea of terrifying acts are at best pranks.

    The battle felt like a perfect scenario in which both characters would meet putting the location at Mr. Boss’s summer home. And the entire beginning of Toiletnator being far more scared of Box Ghost then he should be was pretty funny and that kind of energy carried throughout the battle such as with the “Why are you hitting yourself?” scene XD. By far, the best moment was when Toiletnator declared that he will beat Box Ghost so that he would like himself, and not so Mr. Boss likes him. Even if this is a joke fight, that was legitimately a really well thought up moment. But I also like how you portrayed Box Ghost, especially with his moment of gaining a flaming aura in response to Toiletnator’s words. Really felt like you treated both characters with a proper amount of respect despite being jokes.

    I agree with your post-fight analysis. Toiletnator would be WAY more likely to come up with a strategy first to defeat Box Ghost, especially since he has been portrayed as competent at times in KND. Your analysis of the characters’ actual stats only emphasizes how this is in Toiletnator’s favor.

    So I had a lot of fun with this blog Imp! It's been a while since I watched these shows so this was a nice trip down memory lane, and I think you did a fantastic job with the fight and who would make more sense as the winner. Also, the next time was VERY unexpected but I’m looking forward to seeing what Kitty White can do!

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