Monday, February 4, 2019

In-Depth Explanation of my tier placements currently


Low-Low Tier:
The level of normal humans in the real world and generally in these verses.

That said it should be noted that “normal” humans in these worlds can be stronger then real world humans. I am a humanist and greatly enjoy depictions of normal people are competent and noble as opposed to treating the human condition with scorn and disrespect.

Some examples of above “peak human” humanity in these verses: In Sailor Moon normal human Amano was capable of moving fast enough to make afterimages and humanity will eventually become like the people of the moon under the rule of Neo-Queen Serenity, the moon people capable of surviving and living on the surface of the planets of our star system and fly between the moon and earth under their own power (the humans of the ancient age even were capable of killing these moon people). In Magicka mankind is capable of warring with the goblin and orc tribes, despite the great strength of the orc tribe. In many of these verses certain humans are born with spiritual talents like Watanuki of CLAMP who can see and communicate with spirits and in other worlds like Cephiro where all is determined by will there is warriors capable of incredible feats like evaporating stone with merely the air pressure of their sword swings. In the God of War verse, Icarus who is not even a warrior is capable of smashing through stone without serious injury and another non-warrior Aletheia was able to fall hundreds of meters and get crushed by debris and live briefly, and actual human warriors were able to content briefly with actual monsters of the verse like minotaurs and the manticore. In Undertale humans are capable of unbridled amounts of DETERMINATION capable of superhuman feats and the power of 7 human SOULS is capable of making a monster like a god. In DC Comics humans have latent godwave potential and the dreams of 1,000 humans are capable of reality-warping a universe.  

Low to Mid-Low Tier:
The Bridge between the levels of humans and powerful superhumans capable of threatening nations or the world. Low to Mid-Low Tiers are superhuman but could potentially lose to a well-equipped human or small group of humans

DNA Enhanced Humans from Tokyo Mew Mew would be here, given their ability to turn into animals and the displayed ability to move faster then normal humans can react

Weaker Panther Claw Agents would be here due to being due to their superhuman physical capacities and their general unique special ability

D Class YYH Entities would also be here including spiritually gifted humans and lesser demons still capable of destroying parts of their surroundings

The Golden Age Heroes from Freedom Force would likely be here given that the Blackjack was able to move faster then the eye can see, they are armed (two of them at least) with modern weapons, and they can fight and outmuscle Kill-a-Rillas which are Gorillas.

Mid-Low Tier:
Those here are capable of fighting ancient armies, either by being too fast to hit or by being too physically durable for the ancient weapons to hurt.

The Stronger Panther Claw Agents and Cutey Honey herself would be here due to be fast enough to bullet-time, capable of destroying small buildings and having several abilities.

C Class Demons from YYH would be here from their ability to casually destroy platforms and their ability to launch hundreds of punches a second as well as tending to have ranged powers

Relatively weak monsters from Undertale would likely be here given that that all monsters can attack the SOUL of humans and they can survive inside Hotland an area so hot that cups are evaporated in seconds.

The Lesser Monsters from God of War would be here regularly having physical feats in at least the building range and with faster ones ranging from hypersonic to sub-relativistic in personal feats.

Various beings in Hell in the Divine Comedy would be here. The shades can survive an eternity in a river of boiling blood and the archer shots of the centaurs inflict greater damage then even this. Giants exist there, the size of towers, as well as furies that torment the damned and a gorgon.

Cosmo Users from Saint Seiya in general would be here at least, given their ability to control and destroy the atom releasing at least island levels of energy in a relatively small space. The Steel Saints would also likely be here.

In DC Comics this would likely be the place of The Amazons and the Atlanteans, the Atlanteans capable of surviving the depths of the ocean, the Amazons capable of waging war against modern armies with ancient tech and be successful, the two having gone to war against each other before as well. This is also about the level of the lower street tiers and the local hero. Lex Luthor without any amps regularly trains and spars with his Amazon Bodyguards, Joker and Lex were physically about equal, etc.

In Sailor Moon this would be about the place of the general alien races including the Mautians who are known for their great wisdom and can fly between the Earth and the Moon under their own power, the people of Coronis capable of affecting spirits and for flying between dimensions, and the aforementioned moon people capable of surviving in very harsh extra-planetary surroundings.

Mid to High-Low Tier:
This is a similar sub-tier to the previous one but is generally a far more dangerous one, with more dangerous abilities and capable of fighting modern armies. The creatures here are potential threats to a modern civilization.

The Beast from over the Garden Wall would likely be here. His raw power would only really rank in the last tier, a portion of his power turning a dog into a building destroying wolf, he has dangerous abilities of controlling darkness and weather as well as manipulating the minds of others

Most of the characters from Princess Tutu would likely rank here given their ability to affect large areas of land, and with often hax abilities like putting people to sleep. One of them is River, a living river at least a kilometer deep who can drown large amounts of people at once.

Most Ghosts from Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt would likely be here given a relatively weak one was a giant sewage monster the size of a building, and they have the ability to possess matter make them difficult to put down

Even Third Sphere Angels and Demons from Bayonetta should be here given their celestial/infernal weapons, their ability to travel at mhs speed and turn invisible and intangible as well as their myriad other abilities assorted among their ranks

The Weaker Heroes of Freedom Force would be around here, given their ability to react to the Bullet who was described as fast as lightning, and they easily scale to Worker Ants 3 of whom created a building size tunnel as well as their general assortment of abilities.

High Level Warriors and General Magicians from CLAMP would probably be around here. Master Swordsman Lafarga with the wind pressure of his blade vaporized stone, a large building level feat, and Alcyione the Ice Mage of Cephiro has building level ice manipulation feats. Both scale to the Magic Knights being able to react to and tag the Lightning Element Inouva and pilot the FTL Rune Gods at close range.

Basic Wizards from Magicka would likely be at least in this range given they can react to each other’s lightning mana in the “Wizard Wars” and can likely replicate to a lesser extent the Player Wizards freezing lava with their cold magic, a feat calculated to require tens of tons of tnt worth of energy, though they lack the more complex spells of the greater wizards. Stronger Monster and Lesser Bosses would likely be in this range as well.

Assorted Youma and Dark Agency Members from Sailor Moon would be here as they were far stronger then the Mautians Luna and Artemis (even the weakest Dark Agency member DeVleene could maintain the existence of a whole building with her power) and often had potent energy-draining and mind control, often mind controlling whole cities and countries alone, not to mention their stealth and subterfuge.

High-Low Tier:
Imminent Threat to a Type 1 or Developing Type 1 Civilization. Would require nucleur weaponry at least to defeat them. Town to City Level

The Prince and Princess Tier from Princess Tutu would be here given their ability to contend with Raven the size of a city and holding a desert dimension inside it, as well as their various reality-shifting abilities.

The Mages from Shamanic Princess would likely be here, as they were able to contend briefly with a Holding Back Yord who could still casually create city-size inter-dimensional portals and create forest sized dimensions while holding back.

Top-Low Tier:
Can rapidly destroy a Type 1 or Developing Type 1 Civilization.

I believe the Countries from Axis Powers Hetalia might be here though it is a bit strange as they are the abstract personifications of their countries.

Metroid Low Tiers would be here as Zero Suit Samus was able to survive an impact on Zebes yielding kilotons due to Zebes intense gravity many low tier entites can attain massive speed while under the heavy gravity of many Metroid worlds as well as generally having haxes

The Mew Mews and the Aliens from Tokyo Mew Mew would be here as they scale to a casual strike from Deep Blue vaporizing multiple city blocks, the Mew Mews with Mew Aqua were capable of breaking a city-sized dome the military could not break with a single burst, and the Aliens of similar speed were capable of quickly flying back and forth between their spaceship orbiting Earth and the Earth itself

The Anarchy Sisters and the Daemon Sisters from Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt are likely here at least given they can casually run around the Earth, destroy cities and have insane good and bad luck auras in general

B-Class Demons in YYH should likely be at least here given their hypersonic+ speed and their ability to rapidly destroy towns as well as often having powerful abilities

Low Tier Ghosts from Danny Phantom would likely be here given how Ghosts can move comparable to lightning, become invisible and intangible, and can scale to the hundreds of tons of tnt range

Xiaolin Warriors and Heylin Warriors from Xiaolin Showdown are likely here at least, giving that the warriors have shown to be able to race the Serpent’s tail which was easily able to fly to the center of the Earth briefly and can put up a fight against massive threats like Mala Mala Jong and Evil Dojo who destroyed Atlantis with his attack, as well as having often access to powerful abilities via the Sheng Gong Wu.

Base Heroes and Most Vertexes from Yuki Yuna is a Hero would be at least here given a single low level Vertex could tank all the weapons of modern weaponry and the Heroes regularly fend off invasions of Vertexes, the Heroes also having a lot of resistances via their automatic fairies resistance.

The stronger monsters of the Underground in Undertale are potentially here if you take the animations displayed on the astral plane as representive of physical things, as it would suggest they would likely reach mhs and town level capabilities as well as often having minor absolute manipulation abilities.

Most Puella Magi and Witches from Puella Magi Madoka Magicka would be here given the Witches ability to maintain dimensions of this size and the Puella Magi regularly defeating them, as well as a versatile powerset and a few scattered mhs feats.

The Stronger Superheroes and Supervillains from Freedom Force would likely be here given that the Shadow who could shake the ground from far below was still a low tier supervillainess, and Nulceur Winter lowered the temperature so a Cuban town had snow in Summer passively, and the God Pan was able to move a whole island with his godly power and the Heroes defeated them. They also can at least react to the Bullet who can move at the speed of lightning.

High Level Mages and Strong Spirits from CLAMP would at least be this strong given that Guru Clef with a single magic blast was able to create a magical explosion capable of reaching the clouds and Zagato was able to make a mecha through his sheer will along with the numerous city level feats from the Clow Spirits most notably Fiery evaporating the snow of an entire town in one quick burst.

City Scale DC Comics Hero and Villains would likely be here, due to feats like Deathstroke’s multi-city block feat and melting a submarine, various relatively local crisis capable of threatening cities and lightning timing feats.

Bronze Saints from Saint Seiya would likely be in this tier given they can control the atom enough to easily create dozens to hundreds of punches a second each with island level force behind it, and can replicate the power of natural disasters as well as the ability of their unique cosmo or cloth.

Low-Mid Tier:
From the Low Tiers we move to the Mid-Tiers where the characters are capable of rapid terraforming and threatening inter-planetary civilizations. Low-mid tiers are generally only as strong in dc/durability as Top-Low Tier, but have Relativistic to FTL capabilities and so assuming they can fly they can threaten life on nearby worlds

Generally Low Tier and Amateur Pretty Cure and their enemies would be here. Episode 2 Zakenna absorbed the energy of a city, zakenna can create storms, milky rose created a multi-city block level crater with a casual punch, and a relatively inexperienced Cure Marine saved Cure Blossom from a flash of light from a camera

Most Low Tier Villains from PPG would be here scaling from the Amoeba Boys who are the weakest villains who were able to match an extremely early PPG in speed who in the same episode flew the Ameoba boys at 50c and when they were merely a few days old flew at 1.2c. They also scale to Amoeba Boys durability able to briefly survive the heat of the Sun.

The Heavenly Kings and similar level characters from Sailor Moon would be here at least as they scale scale to Usagi’s ultrasonic crying which threatened to destroy Jadeite’s entire dimension and easily scale to pre-awakening Minako flying to Venus at ftl speeds. They also possess relatively hax abilities for their tier.

Low to Mid-Mid Tier:
Planetary Scale Fighters. Massively Hypersonic Sub-Planetary to Planet Level.

Deep Blue from Tokyo Mew Mew would be here and is sort of the character to beat, being able to blitz the MHS Kish in a weaker form, being able to tank planetary characters and being able to produce planet level attacks with the sole drawback that his planet level attack requires a bit of charge and his normal attack is only in the kiloton range.

A and S Class Fighters from YYH would be here, given their ability to destroy whole nations, Yomi even shaking a whole country with just the rumbling of his stomach and their power causing too much stress for the human world, causing massive destruction even in the stronger demon world. Their speed is also MHS as when training for the dark tournament Yusuke knocked dozens of demons all the way to the horizon and could outpace that speed.

High Tier Ghosts from Danny Phantom would classify as being here given that Vortex made a highly intense across the entire Earth, radically altering the weather pattern and how they can move comparable to lighting and can react to their own ghost rays which can move at the speed of light. The verse is also very strong in term of hax.

Second and First Sphere Angels and their Demon counterparts from Bayonetta would most likely be here. They are MHS scaling from Bayonetta. Second Sphere Angel Urbane can destroy an entire civilization with a swing of it’s arm, and First Sphere Angel Gracious and Glorious are capable of destroying the entire surface of Earth with just a fraction of it’s power. They also have standard Bayonetta celestial powers of invisibility, intangibility, cross-dimensional travel and so on.

Mankai Form Heroes and the strongest Vertex from Yuki Yuna is a Hero is likely here given the Leo Vertex’s soul was the size of the moon and Yuna in Mankai was able to easily traverse it’s diameter quickly and was able to destroy easily despite it being her first time in Mankai.

Strongest Non-God Level Puella Magi and Witches from Puella Magi Madoka would likely be here given that Walpuginacht could eventually stop the rotation of the Earth itself and weaker timeline Kriemhild Gretchens could absorb the Earth into her barrier.

Silver Saint level entities from Saint Seiya would be at least here considering they are far above Bronze Saints, can produce teraton level energy, have such fine control of atoms as to turn a nuclear power plant into a planetary threat and can move comparable to lightning.

The strongest wizards and the top level bosses from Magicka would likely be here. While the Wizards raw damage output is much lower, their shields can block the attacks of Assatur who destroy the world of Midgard, and Cthulhu who can casually destroy the world and they have a variety of haxes that would allow them to fight the entities on this level. The other top tier bosses would also be in a similar place like Death and Fafnir who is comparable to Assatur and Cthulhu and Grimnir and Chosen Child who are essentially stronger versions of the Player Wizards.

Mid-Mid Tier:
Inter-Planetary Fighter. FTL Sub-Planetary to Planetary Fighters

Planetary Scale Heroes from DC Comics would probably be at least here, like generic new god warriors given Lightray who is the New God speedster and not a particularly physical powerhouse AFAIK has a feat of shattering a planetoid by flying into it and was fine. I would consider heroes like Blue Beetle and Booster Gold to be at this level (though Booster is a bit odd in that regard since his durability is much higher then his attack power)

Lesser Gods and The Pillar of Cephiro from CLAMP would classify as here, as the Pillar can perform feats such as controlling the nature of a planet with their prayers and maintain a planetary-wide forcefield against inter-dimensional invasion as well as fight at ftl speeds like other MKR High Tiers.

Mid Tier Pretty Cure, most pretty cure by the end of their season as well as the main villains are generally around here examples being Pretty Cure GoGo’s villain Boss destroying Earth’s surface in a few blasts, Heartcatch Pretty Cure being able to defeat villains that can destroy the Earth’s surface as well and can create an infinite silhouette that is planetary sized who destroyed a villain who destroyed a large part of the moon with his laser, Smile PreCure overpowering Emperor Pierrot’s Earth-Destroying Laser, etc. They also all should scale to early Cure Marine’s ftl feat.

God of War Lesser Deities should likely be here based on Demeter causing the global scale winter and spring based on her emotions and on Persephone battling with Chains of Olympus Kratos who was able to overpower Cyclops who built the planetoid-sized Mt Olympus with only simple tools as well as the basilisk that ate Cyclops and 10 years earlier had defeated the Furies who were able to reality-warp a dimension large enough at least to contain an entire sea. Powerful monstrous entities like the Furies would be around here as well, and the Demigods like Theseus and Perseus should also be here at least given they were able to contend with God of War 2 Kratos who despite not using the power of hope to the fullest yet should be no weaker then he was in Chains of Olympus over a decade earlier. They also would all easily scale to the lightspeed of the “Twins” of Castor and Pollux.

Mid to High-Mid Tier:
MFTL Sub-Planetary to Planetary Fighters.

God Tier Yugioh Monsters would likely be here, as it’s referenced that Giant Soldier of Stone destroyed the moon, the monster Divine Dragon Ragnarok is said to be able to sink the world beneath the sea, the Egyptian Gods are said to be able to remake the world into a work of darkness, Ra was able to turn night into day and enshroud the world in darkness, they should not be much weaker if it all to Sun-Eater who eats the sun in some unknown ways and was of considerable size compared to it, and so forth. They also easily scale to Deep Eyes White Dragon flew to Earth from another star system in 10 seconds.

Metroid Higher Tiers would also likely be here as they scale to Gorea rapidly destroying a galactic civilization and there are a variety of sub-planetary to planetary feats in Metroid up to things like planet level energy collisions, surviving a collapsing planetary dimension, fusing with and beating a planet of phazon, and so forth. There is a strong amount of haxes in the verse.

High-Mid Tier:
Solar System Threat, capable of fodderizing planetaries and destroying large planets.

Any Reality Gauntlet User from Danny Phantom who knows the activation code for it would be at least here, as it allows for stellar level reality-warping, however it doesn’t seem to boost speed or durability meaning it can’t prevent a speedblitz, though given range it would allow for the defeat of anyone in midtier.

Yord from Shamanic Princess would be here. It’s a pseudo-abstract that can warp reality on a planetary to potentially inter-planetary range, was maintaining a distant planet with ease and was implied to have manipulated a species to go from one planet to another planet. Most planetaries would struggle to hurt it.

Wudai Warrior and Heylin Demon Tier Characters from Xiaolin Showdown would likely be here. Chase Young with a single slice severed the Earth into two halves moving apart at massively hypersonic speed, and he views the Shen Gong Wu as toys including the Lunar Locket capable of moving the moon at relativistic speed and the Shard of Lightning which allows for lightspeed movement and at the end of series Wudai Warrior Raimundo was able to fight and beat Chase Young as well as at least 2 other fighters on his level at the same time.

Top-Mid Tier:
Nearing the level of Low-High Tier, Top-Mid Tier is the Sub-Stellar Tier, below the Stellars.

Unsealed Wuya and Grandmasher Dashi from Xiaolin Showdown would be here. Unsealed Wuya awakening caused an eclipse and she was able to warp the surface of the Sun and was above the Heylin Demons. Grandmaster Dashi defeated her, he also has feats of creating the Shen Gong Wu with small portions of power including the lunar locket which can move the moon at relativistic speeds, the shard of lightning which allows for lightspeed movement and the fancy feet which allows for movement faster then any other thing, and a vast variety of haxes which he could theoretically summon at any time as he has displayed at will matter creation.

Low-High Tier:
The Start of the Stellar Classification. FTL Stellar.

High Tier Pretty Cure and the Veterans in the Pretty Cure Team-up Movies would likely be here, based on scaling to the feats of Dark King destroying a star in his rage and Deusmast absorbing the star he was imprisoned within. Even tiny parts of Dark Kings, the Dark Seeds were capable of easily traveling between worlds.

Top Tier Angels, Demons, Lumen Sages and Umbra Witches, including the titular Bayonetta from Bayonetta would likely be here given their ability to casually traverse the star system and Jubileus who Bayonneta was able to defeat with the aid of Jeanne, was able to violently explode any planet in the star system releasing stellar levels of energies.

The Princess Tier in Sailor Moon, and the level of fully awoken senshi in the first and second arc as well as the villains equaling them would be here, as when Usagi first turned into Princess Serenity she released energy mistaken for a supernova, and which even Beryl was shocked at despite knowing that the silver crystal could easily blow apart a star. They are also easily ftl scaling to Hotaru in her civilian form casually flying from Earth to Charon Castle orbiting Pluto in seconds at most.

Amateur Seventh Sense Users from Saint Seiya would also be here, given the Seventh Sense gives the user the ability to active the power of miracles and do the impossible, including traveling at lightspeed and destroying stars with their fists.

Low to Mid-High Tier:
The Higher degree of Stellar Classification, MFTL Stellar Level Entities.

Judgement from Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt if she indeed create the constellation would be here as she also moved from Heaven to Earth very quickly and P&S Heaven is outside the universe.

The Top Tiers from PPG would be here, as HIM was able to maintain a chalk dimension capable of containing it’s own star as well as reversed the earth with low stellar energies with a casual flick of his hand, and the cast likely has at least partial scaling to Monkey who towed an entire star system, and the PPG are capable of moving at comparable speed to the vehicles of Mojo Jojo implied to be able to traverse the universe as well as having broken the time barrier, an mftl feat in the context of the superfriends show that seems to be mutually canon with PPG.

The New 52 Kryptonians and similar level entity should likely be here as Superman flew from the edge of the Universe to Earth at trillions of times the speed of light, and there are a variety of stellar level feats for beings at the level such as both New 52 Superman and New 52 Cyborg Superman being unbothered by supernova, New 52 Superman surviving a black hole, and New 52 Wonder Woman knocking around New 52 Apollo the Sun itself with her strength.

Anyone at least as strong as beginning of game Amaterasu from Okami would have to be at this level as near the beginning of the game Amaterasu is able to create a star in a distant star system with merely a dab of her celestial brush and yet she still has to put in some effort to defeat the first group of imps.

The Perfected Daimon from Sailor Moon would be here though they are stronger in raw power then most in this category and slower then most of them. They scale to Sailor Moon and Sailor Chibi-Moon’s destruction of Nemesis, a Black Hole stated to have the capacity to enclose the star system and whose explosion in the sky was larger than the Sun despite happening at the edge of the star system. They are also MFTL though to a bit of a lesser degree, they scale to the Weaver stars being capable of traveling thousands of lightyears every year, likely in one day, as the Weaver Stars were not a match for Chibi-Moon who is generally the weakest of the third arc senshi while the Perfected Daimon were stronger then the Guardian Senshi. They also scale to Prince Demande suggesting he would conquer every world within the lifespan of a normal human.

Mid-High Tier:
This is the start of the Galactic Classification for the FTL to Lower Degree MFTL Galactics

The Primordials, Titans, and 3 of the Big 6 Olympians (Ares, Athena and Helios) would be here, as Ares created his own galactic sized dimension while Helios was regularly able to defeat Nyx, the primordial of the night sky containing many stars within her. Athena is likely comparable to them as she was able to push back the Blade of Olympus wielded by God of War Kratos and she did not stop Ares from attacking Athens not because she could not, but because she was barred from warring with the other gods by Zeus implying without said barring she could potentially have stopped him. Given the sheer size of the Primordials, they are likely mftl via sheed size, and via Helios defeating Nyx this speed likely scales, all of them being at least far above the FTL lower tiers. It is possible these are at universe level, I am considering the evidence for this.

Super Sailor Senshi Tier Entities from Sailor Moon would be here, as Pharaoh 90 was able to easily move his own galaxy the Tau Nebula at mftl speeds, and yet when Usagi first transformed into Super Sailor Moon he was afraid of her power and said it was tens of thousands of times stronger then his own at it’s peak. They also scale to the movement of the Tau Nebula potentially and if not to the aforementioned speed feats of the weaver stars and of Prince Demande.

Mid to High-High Tier:
Higher Degree MFTL Galactics, generally capable of easily traveling the universe (requiring speeds trillions to quadrillions of times the speed of light)

General High Tiers of Wander over Yonder would place at least here, giving speed feats at putting them at quadrillions of times the speed of light and with Wander being able to plug a galaxy-busting black hole with just his finger.

The Top Tiers of Okami would be at least here (though the sequal I hear upgraded them). Even mid-game Amaterasu was able to use casual wind brush power to spin the whirlpool galaxy at 69 trillion times the speed of light. By end game Yami the main villain was able to casually shake the constellations and knock Amaterasu through all of them destroying them.

This is the level of the Post-Crisis Kryptonians and those on their level from what I can tell. Superman was able to absorb enough anti-sunlight to destroy half a galaxy, Ares was able to grow to be the as large as entities whose hands dwarfed star systems and Wonder Woman was able to fight comparable to him, The Green Lantern Corp stopped a galaxy busting bomb, and one of them grew larger then a galaxy. They also easily scale to the casual Quadrillions of times lightspeed Green Lantern feat.

Low Tier Gold Saints would be at least here, as Taurus Aldebaran a low tier gold saint lifted the celestial firmament containing many stars with one hand and later destroyed it with his special technique. Even Low Tier Gold Saints are casually faster then Hebe who moved millions of times the speed of light casually and when they are trying should be at least on the level of Sanctuary Arc Andromeda Shun’s chains which crossed an entire universe in seconds a speed feat requiring speeds of quadrillions of times lightspeed.

High-High Tier:
Universal Level Powers Begin Here. This is for the general physical universal threats

The Shinju from Yuki Yuna is a Hero would qualify as its power was able to maintain it’s barrier against the Universal Heavenly Deities that wished to destroy it.

Mrs Myrtle and the Celestial being from Wander over Yonder would be here, as the former was clearly stronger then the main cast and could destroy the universe if she wanted and the latter was a reality-warping being capable of granting power greater then any other entity to conquer the universe.

The Top Tiers of Yu-gi-oh! Would be here as Zorc was originally stated to be the creator of all darkness and both would be above boosted Blue-Eyes White Dragon said in the prequel manga to Dark Side of Dimensions to be capable of lightning up an infinite dimension as well as that movie having the power of prana capable of maintaining a separate dimension

The Strongest Gods, Titans, Giants, and Primordials from God of War would likely be here scaling from how Uranus’ death created the universe. Cronos was stronger then and overthrew his father Uranus, and Hades overpowered Cronos when he was in a weaker state.

High Level Magicians and High Level Spirits from CLAMP should be at least here, given that the 3 Mashin, powerful spirits were able to compete with the power of Mokona who could create whole universes, and how the Magician Fay was able to collapse one of the dimensions, which are implied to be whole universes by usage.

Eternal Sailor Senshi Tier (and similar ranks of Sailor Animamate and Sailor Starlight) from Sailor Moon would be at least here as Eternal Sailor Moon’s first attack was powerful enough to destroy Queen Nehelenia who was maintaining a dark mirror universe until her death, and in the last arc Usagi was able to tank power more then she’d ever felt, which would scale to every Eternal Sailor Senshi.

Mid Tier Gold Saints from Saint Seiya would rank here, as Aries Mu’s special attack Starlight Extinction was able to destroy the dimension created by Dimension Iapetus called it’s own alternate universe. While the Mid Tier Gold Saints aren’t physically universal level it would seem, they are universal threats with their special attacks not to mention are very very fast, as Capricorn Shura was able to slice the Big Bang in half a speed feat requiring at least sextillions of times the speed of light.

The Angels of the Divine Comedy are hard to rank as they are transcendent beings outside physical existence able to survive the energy of God causing the motion of the physical universe, meaning they have durability on at least this level, as well as existence on a transcendent level as a being of actus pure (pure actuality).

Top-High Tier:
Universal+ Level, beings above Universal that can attack the cosmos on a plane of existence about the physical.

Akuma Homura would be here. She reality warped an entire universe and is far above the universal threat Kriemhild Gretchen as Kriemhild’s barrier only encompassed the Earth while Homura’s encompassed the universe. She was able to usurp the power of the abstract Madoka and seal away her memories.

The Top Tiers Asriel, Frisk and Chara of Undertale would likely be here. Omega Flowey, a weaker form of the same entity as Asriel, and Chara both displayed the ability to end the game and arguably the universe. Chara is described as a form of abstract and Asriel has been shown to affect the game mechanics before. Frisk depending on the amount of DETERMINATION is on the same tier as them.

The Narrators from The Stanley Parable are arguably here as they can warp the reality of the game. Some argue that the SP game universe is very small so they shouldn’t be considered universal but I disagree on the basis that The Narrators have displayed the ability to load up and control other game “universes” in-universe including the Portal Universe in the same size universe as Half-Life which is clearly the size of a real universe and the Minecraft Universe which while heavily stylized doesn’t seem to have a different size to the real universe. They can alter reality on a level beyond the physical as demonstrated when The main Narrator reformed the universe from the game demo to the main game, when they caused Stanley to go mad and when they applied filters and perception to Stanley.

Base Zeus and Kratos before releasing the power of hope would likely be here as they can both affect abstracts and are far above the other universals in the game, arguably multiversal based on retroactive scaling to the Norse Pantheon.

The Dimension Scale Gods of CLAMP such as the destroyer god of Ashura-oh that could destroy reality or Mokona the innocent creator god would be here as they can casually destroy or create dimensions including the laws controlling them.

The Power of the Strongest Sailor Crystals; the Legendary Silver Crystal, the Golden Crystal of Elysion, the Saphir Crystal of Destruction and the Malefic Black Crystal would count here as they possess the ability to warp all of space and time, and are comparable to the Silver Crystal’s ability to create a new universe, as well they generally have the ability to affect the immaterial; such as threatening Chaos, granting wishes, entering dreams and so on. The Chaos-Spawn and the Gods would also likely be here at their maximum states.

Low-God Tier:
Universal+ to Low Multiversal that are also versatile with a bunch of powerful abilities. Can fodderize universals.

The Annoying Dog from Undetale is possibly here, as it is far above the rest of the UT verse and created it by barking into a text to speech device and is likely the source of the UT-verse’s abilities.

The Essence of Divine Art from The Stanley Parable is probably here as he was transcendent of the rest of the timelines and exists in all of them and was vastly stronger then at least the male narrator, possibly the female narrator as well, as she was within the game.  

Fear Zeus and Power of Hope Kratos from God of War is likely here as they are much stronger then Base Zeus and God of War 3 Kratos as Fear Zeus killed Base God of War 3 Kratos berween his two fingers. Presumably the two also possess the same abilities as their weaker forms. Fear Zeus is confirmed as an abstract being.

Kami Madoka would be here as she is an abstract entity outside spacetime, a fraction of her power was capable of reality warping a universe, able to duplicate herself at least thousands of times with a single shot of her arrow.

The Highest Level Magicians as well as the Nothing/the Hope from CLAMP are hard to classify as they have multiversal level reality-warping magic and can resist multiversal level magic but are physically much weaker. Also, they’re on the slower side speedwise though their abilities can help against superior speed I would put them here as I think Usagi Tsukino and Sakura Kinomoto is very even.

Speaking of which Users of the Lambda Power as well as Chaos from Sailor Moon I would put here, including Usagi due to the Lambda Power being able to restore the cosmos and both the Lambda Power and Chaos having a large amount of dangerous abilities.  

I would put Pre-Crisis Kryptonian level entities here as they Pre-Crisis Supergirl was able to fight against Blackstarr who had control over every aspect of the universe, and they have universal+ level physical stats as well as speeds powerful enough to break the bounds of infinity.

 From Saint Seiya I would put Minor Gods, God Saints, and High Tier Gold Saints here as they scale to universal feats physically like Saga surviving an attack that overpowered his own Galaxian Explosion (stronger then Starlight Extinction), Hades Arc Shiryu’s being strong enough to tip the balance of a battle between two Athena Exclamation far stronger then 2 Big Bangs, Seiya in the Poseidon Arc destroying the Mainstay Pillar of Poseidon which could survive the destruction of the universe, Virgo Shaka and Virgo Shijima have Universal Level Techniques and so forth, Also, as Minor Gods are still abstract entities and the strongest saints can fight these, this shows they can fight on the abstract plane, as well as having generally very strong abilities.

God from the Divine Comedy would also be here, as his passive presence was the source of the universe and of all motion in the universe, as well as transcendent by everything within it. Divine Comedy God even defines all the abstract concepts of the universe.

Low to Mid-God Tier:
Really an intermediate tier of Low Multiversal+ Level Entities capable of creating Low-Godly beings to aid them and casually destroying several universals or casually defeating universals+ or low multiverse’s

In Saint Seiya this would be the tier of most of the Titans and Olympians like Athena, capable of giving power to the Saints far beyond their normal capacity, or for the titans casually creating their own personal universes at will.

In DC Comics this would be the tier of the Emotional-Electromagnetic Entities like Parallel or Ion or similar level beings, who casually defeat Time Trapper who controlled several temporal realities at once and abstract beings of the energies of various emotions. This would also be the level of the original Monitor and the Base Anti-Monitor.

Mid-God Tier:
Multiversal Level entities who could gradually affect infinite universes.

In Saint Seiya this would be the Tier of the Heavenly Emperors like Hades and Poseidon whose presence can overwhelm the entire universe with this entire cosmo passively and also passively maintain the existence of several universal sized dimensions and whose power is enough to be at least considerable to Zeus, supreme lord of the multiverse.

In DC Comics this would be the Tier of the lords of the dimensions like Trigon Lord of Hell, whose power was far above those of his sons who can easily sit in the nexus where millions of realities collide and is an abstract force of evil in the multiverse.

Mid to High-Godly Tier:
Infinite Physical Power, Full Multiversal Level Entities

In Freedom Force Peak Time Master would be here, this would be him at the end of Freedom Force 1 before his own sheer power started to overload him, and in Freedom Force 2 where he mentioned after gaining control of the Fifth Dimension that he was at once at his weakest point in one timeline and his strongest in another. Time Master was powerful enough to stop the Celestial Clock creating all time and change in infinite timestreams. Entropy would also be here as in her enraged state she was powerful enough to subdue Time Master at the end of FF 2. Energy X would also be here as it is the source of both of their powers. It should be noted that these are the peaks of these 3 and they arguably can be defeated by entities much lower generally.

In Saint Seiya this would be the level of the powerful primordial entities, the great monster Typhon, the king of the Titans Cronos and the king of the Olympians Zeus. The Primordial Chronos was all time past present and future yet his titan son Cronos was capable of rapidly threatening him. Zeus is currently the strongest SS entity.

In DC Comics this would be the tier of the Powerful Sphere of the Gods level beings like Darkseid whose presence was destroying the infinite multiverse. This would be the level of Peak Anti-Monitor who had enough power to destroy the entire positive matter multiverse and of Mr Mxyzptlk who could play with the infinite multiverse like a toy.

High-Godly Tier:
This is the level of Metafictional Beings beyond the conceptual realm.

In DC Comics this would be the level of the Monitor Sphere and it’s inhabitants up to and including beings like Mandrakk and Cosmic Armor Superman who created an evolving hyper-story so they could even interact.

Top-Godly Tier:
This is the level of the strongest entities in fiction.

In DC Comics this would be noted as the entities capable of surviving the Overvoid which quickly erased Mandrakk, entities like The Endless and beings superior to even them.

Friday, February 1, 2019

My favorite verses and vs battles wiki

If someone FROM vs battles wiki reads this....uhhh....hello! I don't mean to insult or anything, I just disagree with a few of your positions. Hopefully you won't take this as being overtly harsh or anything, I don't like when vs debating gets really heated and angry, I like when it's light and fun.

I'm not one of the harshest critics of vs battles wiki. I have previously published a blog defending them. Honestly if I decided all versus debating communities into 2, we would be the same one (my division would be between what I consider the empiricists and the rationalists). With that said I disagree with their assessment on some of my favorite verses. This is my blog noting where our thoughts are different and why. Hopefully it will be apparent that I am not a mindless zombie attacking the site. I am doing this because vs battles wiki is highly influential and I am hoping that this will contribute some amount to creating what I view as a proper assessment of these verses.

This is not a blog by a fanatic demanding that they upgrade my favorite verses. If they aligned with my views about as many of these verses would be downgraded as the amount upgraded as you will see. There is 32 verses I gave an 8/10 or higher. This is the list alphabetically.

Axis Powers Hetalia:
Perfectly fine.

Bayonetta:
Seems fine generally. Think you could probably upgrade Madama Butterfly and Madama Styx to Bayonetta's powers given Bayo gets most of her powers from Madama Butterfly.

Cardcaptor Sakura:
No profiles. I did see a prototype profile (I think) and I gotta say...looks good!

I disagree with vs battles wiki logic about dimension tiering and infinite or higher speeds but assuming we are following the rules of vs battles wikis standards this seems correct.

That said I think Sakura pre-Tsubasa is stronger then Building, even with the "likely higher" clarification. In the original Manga Earthy threatened a city, flower covered a city with flowers, maze is it's own labyrinth-sized dimension, Dark can cover the Sun and other stars in darkness and Light can counter Darkness and bright forth the lights of the sky which even a low estimate would probably put at like continent-planet level. The anime also includes rain, storm and snow each being able to change the weather, Fire being able to instantly evaporate the snow covering a city and Water being able to control an entire ocean. Also Sakura was said to have surpassed Clow Reed, demonstrated when she split his power between Eriol and her father and in Movie 2 Sakura transforming Nothing to Hope despite Nothing having negative power to equal the positive power of all 52 cards that Clow Reed put all his power into.

Also I would strongly disagree with Watery being one of the weakest of Sakura's cards given it is one of the four corner stone Elemental Cards given precedence over 1/6th of the deck.

Cutey Honey:
Bit weird, they have profiles for a lot of the anime versions of Honey, but not for the original manga. I'm not as proficient with the anime's feats so can't really comment. Manga Honey is probably one of the weakest versions, if not the weakest version though.

Danny Phantom:
So this is a bit of a recurring element I've noticed when the wiki and western animation characters. Often a feat is taken from chronologically early on and then just applied completely as though the characters get no stronger. While it is often not expressed explicitly if a character gets superior feats does it not suggest that the character get stronger? This seems consistent with the logic the wiki uses putting DCEU Superman much stronger after his resurrection.

So for Danny Phantom for instance, he is put as Multi-City Block Level based on two feats (one of which IIRC happened as early as episode 1) and subsonic again based on a feat from one of the earliest episodes. I mean Danny didn't even know Duplication was a thing before fighting Vlad and yet season 3 he duplicated into 4 copies.

Later feats include things like being comparable to Vlad including beating him at several points in history to stop him from changing time, Vlad being strong enough to hurt Vortex and survive an attack from him, Danny moving comparable to lightning from Vortex, Danny fighting Vortex himself and Danny outright beating up Undergrowth including blowing up his arm with a single blast before he regen-erated it and Undergrowth being implied to be comparable to Vortex by their bounties.

DC Comics:
Obviously this is a bit of a complex one because it's so big. Some general points
-Disagree on the Presence and the Writer being separate entities although that's obviously a broad cosmological concept and not directly vs debating related.
-I dislike having all the street tiers based on Katana's feat since it was an arm speed feat reaching the lower boundary of MHS by a relatively quick street tier.
-I think New 52 Powerhouses of Earth are probably more like stellar level based on several supernova and black hole feats, and on Wonder Woman fighting New 52 Apollo who was the Sun itself
-I think the Post-Crisis Powerhouses of Earth are probably low galactic, which since vs wiki doesn't have a low galactic level would be counted as multi-stellar based on a few feats, like the Green Lanterns stopping a galaxy busting bomb, Superman's "Half a galaxy" feat, Wonder Woman being able to compete with the Post-Crisis Avatar of Ares who was able to easily become the size of the promethean giants much much larger then star systems, etc.
-I disagree on Base Anti-Monitor and The Monitor being 2-A. I would put them at low multiversal. Can't address the argument though because Base Anti-Monitor's comes from scaling to the Monitor and the first link for the Monitor is broken.
-Azazel is currently listed at Unknown but I feel you could probably just scale him to Trigon or at least his weakling demonic sons given Azazel's rank in Hell.

Divine Comedy:
No profiles.

Freedom Force:
No profiles.

God of War:
Obviously one of the two big disagreements we have. Perhaps I am missing something by the fact that English is not my first language, but it seems pretty unambigious to me based on the information that the Greek Gods reach Universe Level and given you have already upgraded the Norse this would only further seem to be evident.

Magic Knight Rayearth:
No profiles. Used to have a Hikaru one.

Magicka:
No profiles.

Metroid:
Disagree though on a more minor scale then most of these. I feel a few of the "feats" for Metroid are ignoring the surface area. I have Samus in most of her Suits at Island-Country Level based on Ridley's feat in the manga, on the Tallon Metroids surviving some of the energy of the Leviathan impact (though again surface area, they'd be taking a tiny portion of that energy) and some other things and the top tiers at planet level based on Dark Samus surviving a planet-sized dimension collapsing on her and Dark Samus becoming one with a planet. I disagree with them being low Stellar based on Light Samus converting a planet to energy but Dark Samus is so much smaller then the planet she would have taken a tiny fraction of that energy.

Okami:
Tiny difference in opinion here. Vs wiki has Okami at Multi-Stellar while I content it should be at galactic. From what I can tell there was an attempt to revise it to galactic and yet despite zero opposition it got no attention and so nothing happened.

Heard Okamiden upgraded the verse as well.

Ouran High School Host Club:
No profiles, nor should they probably. It's a featless street level comedy verse.

Over the Garden Wall:
Eh, The Beast's profile seems kinda low though I don't recall the feats enough to say for sure. Would have to go over the series again.

Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt:
Don't agree per se but also not sure. Going based on the upgrade thread

Panty taking the explosion is a feat but she is so much smaller then the exploding object she'd be taking a fraction of the energy

Garterbelt was cursed with immortality by Judgement which is why he didn't die of old age. Hence the feat of him surviving that is a feat of Judgement's "curse" on him and I don't see why you'd scale that to the Angels since they're never stated to be more durable then him or anything. Maybe because Stocking sliced him up but he regenerated just fine so it seems more like she couldn't kill him either because the Curse

Stocking taking the moon's sneeze is a legit feat though again she's so much smaller then the moon can't see her taking a huge amount of energy though probably a fair amount.

Was it stated that Judgement created the constellation? Can't actually watch the clip because copyright claim on it.

Pretty Cure:
Pretty much agree. That said think you could probably scale Cure Marine to FTL based on her shielding Cure Blossom rather then just FTL reactions and regardless I definitely think the anniversary movies show that the veteran cures would scale speedwise to the newer cures.

Also Goyan survived the Big Bang and the Splash Star attack should scale. Doesn't scale to any of them individually but still.

Princess Tutu:
No profiles.

Puella Magi Madoka Magicka:
The other big disagreement. Outside of the usual speed thing the verse is not multiversal. There's two things are people are using to claim that and neither make sense.

1: No Madoka did not warp the concept of witches out of the multiverse, that isn't what her wish was and it's not what we see her do on screen. We see her go and stop each witch from being born and this causes the multiverse to change. Rebellion hinges on the fact that if Madoka can't get to a place a Magical Girl will still become a witch providing pretty clear evidence that the concepts of witches still exists. The Multiverse changed in response to Madoka's actions but that would be like saying Flash is a Universal Reality Warper because he made the New 52 (ok he didn't Manhattan didn't but you get the idea) or that Anime Sailor Moon is a Universal Reality because she altered an event in Nehelenia's past creating a new timeline.

2: Madoka being omnipresent. Not is that contradicted by what we see and arguablly by the plot of Rebellion, it also doesn't really....matter. Not to sound dumb about this, but Madoka's presence being everywhere in the multiverse isn't a physical feat. Madoka is not a physical entity. Her ability to affect the physical realm is not dependent on her presence in the physical realm. Compare to say Darkseid who existed across the multiverse and more importantly was dragging the whole thing physically down into the void, showing that he was destroying the multiverse. Madoka's presence does not do anything to the physical realm and even if she was a physical entity the size of the multiverse that would give her multiversal durability and would allow her to give off multiversal energy in a charge but unless the enemy is also multiverse sized that would still not be putting multiverse level energy into them because of surface area.

I really strongly disagree with the wank of Madoka, and it's the one that annoys me more then any other because some of the claims that people make are contradictory to the plot of Madoka and as a major fan of the series seeing the claims run rampant annoys me.

Sailor Moon:
My favorite verse.

Again disagree with it being "infinite" or "immeasurable" in speed. Also disagree on the top tiers being multiversal for reasons. Basically it assumes that the cosmos restored by the lambda power includes a bunch of side dimensions for reasons I don't understand. Granted the Lambda Power>>>Chaos the universal power so it's not like it would be inconsistent per se. The Universe-Creating Silver Crystal's power is merely an aspect of the Lambda Power. Still I don't know why people are using that as a feat.

Also for speed don't know why everyone in Arc 5 is scaled to the Silver Crystal's light. While they are quite fast given the Lamdba Power sent all the star seeds to their proper places in space and time very quickly and the Eternal Amazon Senshi who are like the weakest fighters in Arc were able to fly from the outside of Galaxia's castle to the Galaxy Cauldron inside it before the Star Seeds had even left the cauldron. Still I don't know why people are scaling to the big SC's light feat. Kaguya has a reaction feat to it and Nehelenia sort of does. That said SM is not like DBZ where a stronger character is usually just superior in all stats to a weaker character.

I think the first arc is also kinda lowballed. Kunzite's barrier was surviving the energy of the Silver Crystal as wielded by Princess Serenity and Luna warned that if a villain got the Silver Crystal they would be easily able to blow up a star not to mention Queen Beryl despite knowing that the SC could casually produce stellar levels of energy and knowing Princess Serenity's ability to unleash it's power and having memories of her prior life as she remembered her love for Endymion still could not believe the amount of energy coming off it. Blah Blah blah, the first arc should be stellar same as second but meh not a big deal.

Also the bottom tiers are really lowballed. Morga should be at least scale-able to the Mooncats including Artemis who quickly brought Luna to the Moon and brought Minako from Venus to Earth in the span of one night and is probably scale-able to the Dark Agency member DeVleene whose sole job was to serve tea and sweets to Danburite and was able to maintain a building.

I also disagree with the Amazones Quartet being considered galactic because they summoned a tree that bound the super guardian senshi. First off that would scale to their senshi's strength not their ap/dura but more importantly that seems more like they summoned something strong not that they are very strong. Zirconia said the Quartet would get crushed if they went head to head with the Senshi.

Saint Seiya:
I disagree with the God Saints being Multiversal unless there's a feat I'm missing. The 5 God Saints and Athena were only able to barely wound Hades whose best feat afaik is maintaining 3 universe sized dimensions.

Also I feel you could upgrade the Mid to High Tier Gold Saints. Aries Mu's Starlight Extinction feat is arguably universal which is consistent enough with Leo Aiolia's Photon Burst being equal to Galaxian Explosion. I think Low Tier Gold Saints are Multi-Stellar, Mid Tier Gold Saints are Multi-Stellar with Multi-Galactic to Universal Techniques, and High Tier ones are Universal.

Shamanic Princess:
No profiles.

The Powerpuff Girls:
I feel you could probably upgrade the high tiers to Stellar level based on HIM maintaining a chalk dimension with it's own sun and on scaling to Monkey who towed an entire star system.

Also speedwise...this is the other thing with the cartoon characters and getting stronger thing. The PPG did that 1.2c feat when they were only a few days old. They have faster FTL feats pretty much unambigiously and have some more far out things like matching Mojo's ships who can quickly traverse the universe and if you are including inter-series scaling which you should since they are canon to each other, the PPG scale to time barrier feats with Super Friends since they also broke the time barrier.

The Stanley Parable:
Vs wiki has the Narrator much weaker then I do though it's understandable given some of the stuff in SP and how much of a weird verse it is to analyze. Maybe the new updates will upgrade. In the meantime if I may just ask as an honest question. In your composite hierarchies page you say

"Within such a cosmology, the difference between these layers/planes is actually greater then the difference between physical dimensions, due to each layer containing several dimensions within them. Otherwise these can be known as metaphysical layers.

In most cases, these meta-layers have a reality-fiction difference, meaning, the difference between each layer (not the dimensions of the layers) is like the difference between reality and fiction. Basically, to a higher layer entity, the lower entity is so insignificant that it can hardly be called real."

By this logic shouldn't the Narrator be a dimension higher? After all he views the game as his story and nothing more, calling it such many times. Likewise there's also Female Narrator who views the Narrator as the Narrator views Stanley and the Essence of Divine Art who exists in all of these things.

Tokyo Mew Mew:
Looks fine, only 3 profiles. I realized that Ichigo probably doesn't have planetary dura and Deep Blue just allowed her to survive via his light orb but that's a minor point. Not sure why the light orb ability isn't mentioned on Deep Blue's profile.

Undertale:
Disagree on a lot of the assessment of this verse. I would agree that collapsing the "game" as Omega Flowey and Chara do are universal feats but I strongly disagree that destroying save files is a feat of power. If anything it seems like just a feat of metahax. Save Files are not timelines, they are save files. They are a file in a computer that stores data. Not a timeline. I disagree that some of the animations should be viewed as the physical phemenona they appear to be given that the fights take place on the SOUL plane.

Also standard speed thing. I don't agree with how infinite speed is conceptualized there at all.

Wander over Yonder:
Verse seems kinda low tbh. I think you could raise the verse to galactic on account of Wander plugging a galaxy busting black hole with his finger at the start of "The Hole...lotta nothing."

Xiaolin Showdown:
Haven't seen the second series. Verse looks pretty good though from what I know. Thought that there could be a really good feat in "Saving Omi" where Jack Spicer of all people lightning-times while shrunk inside Omi's head which would be higher then normal lightning timing from electrical brain impulses since he would have to be reacting to lightning while at a tiny tiny distance away (and the changing chopsticks don't increase reflexes or anything) but then found out electrical brain impulses don't actually travel that fast. RIP.

xxxHolic:
No profiles.

Yu Yu Hakusho:
Verse looks good. Completely agree.

Yu-gi-oh!:
Ok the top tiers are clearly universal as evidenced by the movie showing that prana ie the power derived from the pharaoh can maintain a universe and in the manga prequel to the movie a highly boosted Blue Eyes lit up an infinite dimension as well as the original manga calling Zorc the creator of all darkness.

Also actually think the game mechanics should be recognized for "modern day" Yu-gi-oh! because the idea of the games of darkness is that they make the game you are playing real and dangerous and so the game mechanics in the context of a game of darkness would be real.

Also there's kind of a reaction speed feat in the Duelist Kingdom Arc where Yugi, Jonouchi and the Labyrinth brothers react to lightning. Possibly an outlier though.

Yuki Yuna is a Hero:
Verse looks good, agreed.

To quickly go over the speed thing since I brought it up several times, I strongly disagree with the notion that you can get infinite speed by moving a finite distance in zero time. Speed is (Change in Space) divided by (Change in Time). If change in time is 0 then you are dividing by zero and you can't divide by zero. For X/0 there is no number to satisfy the equation unless x is also equal to zero in which case any number solves the equation. You CAN have infinite speed but only by moving an infinite distance in a finite time or if the author says the speed is infinite.


So yeah hope this shows I don't just try and wank verses I like and downplay verses I don't like and I mindlessly hate vs battles wiki. I don't expect them to change their profiles AT ALL based on this post, just making it in the hopes it helps push the vs community in the right direction.