Thursday, July 23, 2020

Good Omens-verse Strategy Guide


How to be OP in the Good Omens-verse

Local Scale Threat:

On Earth there exists the most peculiar race of humanity, the midway point of Heaven and Hell. Most humans of the Good Omens-verse are generally normal in capabilities, however there are some pecularities even amoung them.

Good Omens Earth contains witches, mystically aligned women who are trained to a low degree of the mystical arts including aura-reading and low level telepathy. The greatest of these was the famed Agnes Nutter, a witch who could see hundreds of years in the future with complete precision and who is honestly the biggest threat of this tier, as she can possibly foretell any of her opponent's moves. Her descendants (whom she knew all the names off) a few hundred years later still use her predictions as they foretell everything important currently happening in the modern day.

The Good Omens-verse also contains numerous secret socities and conspiracies including the witchfinders, a society dedicated to finding witches, although much like the witches themselves they've sort of gone downhill over the past few hundred years. There's also government conspiracies and well as Satanic orders of nuns.

The Earth is also home to Newton Pulsifier, a seemingly ordinary man whose presence causes technology to start to fail around him (which is unfortunate for a computer repairman like him). Everything he tries to fix or build doesn't work, except when he tried to build a joke device that did nothing which ended up picking up radio Moscow. It also contains the International Express Man, the greatest delivery man in the entire world. Charged with delivering the 4 badges of office to the four horsemen of the apocalypse, he got through an active bloody civil war zone to give War her sword, and after doing the first 3 of them, killed himself so he could hand deliver Death's badge of office to Death personally.

So how to counter this tier? Well the biggest problem is clearly the witches fortune telling. To counter the tier, one needs a being woh is normal human physically who can beat essentially Modern Earth while all of their actions are known. You also can't reliably rely on technology due ot Newton. 

In terms of weaknesses, the tier can be a bit prone to manipulation as the people act a bit goofy since Good Omens is a comedic novel. Also the witches and witchfinders have really gone downhill, and assuming the character is just fighting the modern Good Omens verse, so long as one can steal Agnes Nutter's book of prophecies which the witches have lost once, it's mostly just fighting Modern Earth.

Counting fortune telling is difficult when it's on this level if you assume it applies to the invading force and they don't just appear on the verse, however this does lead to what I think is the best counter to this ability which is simply exiting the verse and returning, which I believe my first counter can do in an unconventional way, that being


Hiro Nakamura from Heroes

Hiro is a normal human physically but has control over space and time, giving him the ability to time stop, teleport, and time travel. While overuse of this ability gives him a nosebleed and headache, he can use it post-mastery of it 47 times in one day. 

Hiro could simply time travel back before Agnes Nutter's time before she could predict it and steal her book right after her execution. In a fight against modern forces he could simply stop time to get away or fight.

While I think this would be a pretty solid counter and probably win, there's some ambiguity as to whether Agnes intructions would be able to prevent Hiro's birth by warning her descendants. Neither Agnes nor Hiro has acausality so it's unclear what would happen. For a character this would not work against you could use


Bunny Girl Karen from a Simple Monitoring

Karen is normal human level physically, but has a single ability, that being an extreme form of supernatural luck, to the point that in a fight weapons aimed at her spontatenously break. This power known as the Unbeatable Emperor is so strong that if two people are fighting each other with it, even if they wielded machine guns or rocket missles they will still find it impossible to harm each other.

The Unbeatable Emperor means that Bunny Girl Karen would be likely invulnerable in any direct fight and knowing every single move she makes will not stop her, as any sort of counter knowing what she will do, will be failed to an unlucky failure. You might think propecy would hard counter this, as the witches can simply stop her from getting it before she gets it. However the Unbeatable Emperor is an acausal ability that can not be stopped from being acquired, as shown when the main character undid the event that gave him and Karen the ability and yet they still possessed it.

The only possibly problems she might have is I don't know if there is a limit to the sheer probability it can go too. It is stated the Unbeatable Emperor will always win a one in a million gamble, or a one in a billion and can protect against machine gun fire, but I don't know if it can counter say an entire army attacking oneself. For a counter I think is the ideal counter, I would suggest


Mary Poppins from the film of the same name

Mary first off, has a general resistance to magic being immune to a spell that had affected that put the children she was looking after into a laughing fit. It's possible she would be immune to having her future foretold, as the witches abilities have been put off by lesser things like Anathema being unable to read Adam's aura because it was so massive. However regardless of not Mary can and has entered and exited pocket dimensions meaning she could simply pop out at any time, Agnes' prophecies not foreseeing something from another dimension. It would also be somewhat in character I think for Agnes to not even try to foretell how to beat another witch, not viewing her as a threat.

The Good Omens world may have a lot of secret conspiracies but Mary could know of them all at any time by her communication and friendship with the animals. Such conspiracies would not notice a bird at the window or a mouse on the floor. She also has a superhuman charisma and ability to manipulate people such as convincing Mr. Banks to accept her as nanny despite lacking any of his criteria. It's likely she could just manipulate her way around the verse into getting what she wants.

Even if someone tried to threaten her she has wind manipulation, transmutation, space manipulation and telekinesis (as well as sleep inducement). It would be pretty easy to keep any aggressor from attacking her and she could use such abilities in conjunction to take Agnes book should she feel it would be any kind of threat before storing it in another dimension with her carpetbag.

Overall not only would she be able to stop any kind of threat, but she could do it without ever calling attention to the fact that she was doing it.

City to Planet Scale Threat:

The main inhabitants of the Good Omens verse are the Angels and demons. Naturally incorporeal, angels and demons take human-like forms to interact with Earth and it's people. Angels reside in Heaven and demons in Hell, both of which are a large corporate building, Heaven being the above ground levels and Hell being the underground levels. The most notable problem of this tier is actually the numbers of both sides. It's strongly implied that Heaven contains infinite angels and Hell contains infinite demons meaning that any counter has to be able to defeat infinite enemies.

Angels and demons are naturally non-corporeal, likely spiritual beings. They can take however any size, down to subatomic they choose, such that any number of demons could dance on the head of a pin. Angels could hypothetically as well but angels do not dance save for Aziraphale who is quite fond of the Gavotte. Angels and demons can also take any shape or type of composition they choose. They are unbound by the laws of physics and can create matter/energy from nothing, ignore gravity at will or travel through space and dimensions at will giving teleportation and inter-dimensional travel. 

The two sides are all incredibly skilled warriors and spies, spending the millennia in a cold war for influence of the material plane. It is a common theme that outside the main characters Aziraphale and Crowley, an angel and a demon that love humanity from their long exposure to them, the angels and demons do not care about humanity and merely are doing everything they can to win against the other side. Indeed the central plot revolves around Aziraphale and Crowley's odd friendship and alliance to stop Armageddon and save humanity against the will of both Heaven and Hell.

Angels and demons are incredibly powerful. If one takes the statement that they can be any size, then they should be able to grow to the size of the universe, although the Good Omens universe is much smaller then ours. Despite this it is large enough to contain nebula and would take generations to cross in a starship. This is consistent with Crowley noted to have created a nebula, a stellar collection larger then a star system. As such angels and demons should be high end star system level. In terms of speed, they can change into the electricity running through telephone wires at a signifigant fraction of the speed of light and in this form Crowley was able to react to outside events while moving at relativistic speeds, showing they should have relativistic reactions. It's arguable that by being unbound by the laws of physics they should be able to travel faster then light though such is unconfirmed.

Angels and demons also show general purpose reality-warping called "miracles". This can be used to for transmutation like turning guns into harmless water pistols or changing the paintball guns at a corporate paintball game into real guns. It can also be used for probability manipulation like making sure that all the bullets used in a corporate game of paintball where all the paintball guns were turned into real guns don't hurt anybody. It can create matter-energy from nothing or manipulate the minds of humans, putting corrupting dark thoughts in them or giving them peace of mind and happy memories. Aziraphale also created ligh and when he had his physical body destroyed was able to possesses normal people as well as speak with the dead. Crowley also demonstrated the ability to force things to defy reality by sheer willpower such as driving his car through a fire and despite the fire clearly burning away the car and it's vital parts, making it keep going through sheer willpower. Crowley was also able to temporarily beat a higher ranking demon Hastur by using a form of sealing and technological manipulation, absorbing him into a telephone and disconnecting it. 

Demons and angels can also regenerate from having their physical bodies destroyed, though this takes time and have otherwordly true forms. They also have supernatural senses that can sense the presence of particularly powerful entities on a planetary range though it's precision is lacking.

As you might be able to tell this is pretty insane to counter. It's a battle against infinite solar system creating, reality-warping, probability manipulating beings immune to the laws of physics, all of whom can regen from total physical destruction.

In terms of weaknesses, the two forces do have an explict weakness. Hellfire will permenantly destroy an angel and holy water will permenantly destroy a demon, which is why both sides use the material as the method for execution of their own. However I think much more useful is the implict weakness.

Outside Aziraphale and Crowley who have adopted some humanity due to massive exposure, angels and demons lack what makes humanity great; human creativity and imagination. They are potrayed as two massive unpleasent bureaucracies who can not adapt or think freely, acting only to follow the will of God or to rebel against him. Humans, the strange mixtures of heavenly and hellish, have free will and the ability to think freely. Demons might have a superhuman ability to tempt and corrupt/manipulation and angels might have a superhuman purity and resistance to temptation but more conventional manipulation might work well, or even just something that requires out of the box thinking. If one adopts a strategy that perfectly counters the stagnant strategies of the angels and demons, you lower the potential threats from infinity to 2; Aziraphale and Crowley.

Angels and demons also have another weakness that can be pretty big if hard to use. When taking human form, their actual bodies are no stronger then normal humans. Bullets will return them to being non-corporeal and force them to regen and they can neither move nor use physical strength any greater then a normal human's. It's hard to use this well because they can simply make themselves immune to the kinetic energy of a bullet or alter the probability so it doesn't hit them if they have any time to think. As such the best way to fight them is some kind of passive damage aura, something that can hurt anything that tries to approach so that their bodies are destroyed before they can act and use their incredible powers. 

This brings me to my first counter


Burning Heisei Godzilla from Godzilla

Heisei Godzilla was so tough that a single one of it's cells is theorized to have survived a black hole and mutated into Space Godzilla. While in the film this is just a theory, it is suggested to at least have credibility and is suggested to be true by Word of God statements, which would give Heisei Godzilla enough durability and power to compare to the angels and demons. He was also able to react to Space Godzilla's crystal projectiles who flew from Deep Space to Earth at over 4 times lightspeed showing Burning Godzilla would be fast enough to react to the angels and demons.

Burning Godzilla is infamous for emanating massive heat and radiation passively, which would easily be enough to burn away any angel/demon human forms that came close to him before they could react, let alone his ability to quick draw with his atomic sense.

Even if he takes some damage he has a massive endurance and regen that would mean without hax the angels and demons would struggle to kill him, and most of them would struggle to think creativily to beat him. Even then he resists matter manipulation enough to break down his cells and mind manipulation suggesting that some commonly used haxes they would use first would fail to effect him.

I could only see Burning Godzilla losing after a signifigant time or if Aziraphale or Crowley do something more tricksy with their powers. For a counter that would be a bit more subtle threat that could get around this, you could use


Horus Lupercal from Warhammer 40K

Horus even before the betrayal was one of the strongest Primachs, all of whom can fight star system level threats on numerous ocassions. Post-betrayal, he was even stronger able to one-shot the other Primarchs, showing he should be comparable if not outright superior to the angels and demons in raw power. He should be at least relative to his brother Sanguinus in reactions who could see plasma bolts and lightspeed lasters move in slow motion, showing enough reaction time to be superior again to the angels and demons.

Horus would be able to manipulate the angels or demons as primarchs are built to be the greatest military commanders of all time, with Horus being exceedingly intelligent in particular, with the Emperor originally calling him the greatest general in the galaxy. The devious mind of the Horus Heresy, he could likely manipulate his way into a position of power in the angelic and demonic hierarchies.

Beyond this Horus has a passive aura that could push down to their knees even other Primarchs, easily enough to crush a human form angel or demon. Horus could easily fight them directly as well as the shields of the primarchs are able to protect against the reality-bending powers of the warp which can do everything the miracles can do, hitting on all planes of reality. Horus himself can attack on all planes of reality and could permenantly destroy angels or demons and he could pursue them through dimensions with his own dimensional travel.

There's almost nothing in the tier can beat him unless the probability manipulation can effect him in a particularly bad way. However there's one character I believe would do even better, turning the verse against itself, that being


Horseshoe Centrist from Centricide

Horseshoe Centrist is a conceptual entity, the personification of the political philosophy that two extremes will become functionally the same thing. In centricide, Horseshoe Centrist casually defeated the personifications of Authoritarian Left and Authoritatian Right at once, gaining power from the fact that two opposing idealogies were acting together, proving his point.

There's a recurring concept in Good Omens where the Angels and the Demons act functionally identical despite their protestations. For instance it is said that at the final battle, the lines of angels and demons extended into infinity and if you looked really closely you could almost tell the difference between the two.

As form of conceptual existence, the angels and demons would have to defeat his concept to beat him, but the problem is that in mirroring each other so perfectly, Horseshoe Centrist would gain infinite power and could only be beaten if the angels and demons stopped mirroring each other, going against their very nature. Lacking creativity, they would be unable to do this. Horseshoe Centrist's only weakness is fighting something that is paradoxically both extremes at once, a functional example denying his criticism as shown when Authoritarian Left and Authoritarian Right summoned National Bolshevism who is at once far left and far right to beat him. However the only thing that is both paradoxically of Heaven and Hell in Good Omens are humans and even if say Aziraphale gave a human the sword of Eden again to try and fight Horseshoe Centrist, he has one more ability.

While Horsehoe Centrist carries a gun in one hand,  he carries a magnet in the other, resembling a horseshow giving him telekinesis. This would allow him to snatch any weapon that could hit conceptuals that could be given to a human or just telekinetically smash them around. Horseshoe Centrist would be functionally immortal in this tier, almost the embodiment of their biggest thematic weakness.

Universal Scale Threat:

There are forces in the Good Omens universe that the angels and demons have no control over and adapt their plans according to their actions.

This includes the Four Horsemen of the apocalypse, bringer of the end times, conceptual entities including their leader the strongest Death. Death is confirmed to be the same as the one from Discworld and the shadow of all creation. This version of Death has casual universal showings and an absolutely insane speed feat. When the quantum interpretation of Schrondinger's Cat was discovered, Death proceeded to adapt and kill every alternate version of every single person that did not come to be. This would be neccesarily ludicriously MFTL+ and most likely infinite in speed, although speed is fairly meaningless for these time traveling acausal and pseudo-omnipresent entities.

Death also possesses numerous abilities including broken hax like abstract and metafictional forms of attacks, reality-warping and physics-warping, time travel, acausality, dimensional bfr, and so forth. 

This tier also includes the unknowing antichrist Adam Young, an 11-year old kid with universal reality-warping without knowing it who shapes the world according to his childish superstitions. By the strange unknownable will of God, Adam Young was raised by a completely normal human couple and so came to embody the strength of humanity, human creativity. He gave his 3 childhood friends the power to defeat the three lesser horsemen of the apocalypse, though it's left ambigious who was stronger between him and Death.

Stronger then Adam was his Hellish father Satan. Satan was so strong that Aziraphale and Crowley though even with Adam they had no chance against him, which makes some degree of sense as Adam's power comes from being his demonic lineage. 

Explictly stronger then all this is the God of the Good Omens universe. A higher form of being whose nature and plan are ineffable and incomprehensible to any of the beings, all of whom, as well as the fate of the entire Good Omens universe is controlled by God showing clear scaling vastly beyond as well as at least star system scale fate manipulation. Famously God does not play dice with the universe instead playing an obscure complex game of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a dealer who won't tell you the rules and who smiles all the time.

Thus the capacities of the tier are universal+ power, universal reality warping, abstract manipulation, metafictional attacks, spacetime manipulation on a universal scale, solar system scale fate manipulation and conceptual forms of being.

In terms of weaknesses, there aren't much. Death and Adam Young both have weaknesses, but Satan and especially God have no explict weaknesses. However there are a few things I can see. It's not made explictly clear that belief has reality-warping powers like in Discworld for instance, but it is implied to be the case. Also the biggest threat, God, is implied to be rather fond of humanity, and so a form of counter that might be strong are characters that are represensatives of humanity's best, like Adam himself. Characters who would have the power of everyone's belief in them, and who God would not be motivated to fight particularly.

The other thing I notice is that most of the powerful entities, unlike the angels and demons, are not really fighters and so lack much fighting skill or fighting spirit. As such a character who is a highly skilled fighter might have a strong advantage. With that in mind, I'd like to give my first counter to the tier, that being


Sora from Kingdom Hearts

Sora as of KH3 has unlocked the power of the heart which can reset the universe via the power of waking and which is described as being an endless power stronger then the universe threatening enemies in KH3. 

The power of the heart connects Sora to his friends which allowed him to come back from even a conceptual attack, as in Kingdom Hearts 3 the darkness ripped him apart on a conceptual level sending him to the final world to vanish, before he pierced himself together with the power of waking. This means he should actually be able to take normal attacks from Death. His power is also uniquely suited to fighting most of the verse. He's a vastly more skilled and experienced fighter becoming keyblade master skilled in only a year's time, with a wide variety of abilities. 

While it may seem like he wouldn't be able to affect them, Sora regularly beats Nobodies and causes them to fade from existence, showing he would even have the ability to destroy Death the shadow of creation. He can counter fate manipulation with his own, as Aqua did casting a spell to bring Kairi to the light of another. The keyblade can also not only seal but unseal, which is in fact it's main purpose, being the ultimate key. Thus while he could fight against Death's version of bfr/sealing, he could seal the verse's fighters with his own sealing they haven't shown resistance too.

Sora also possess manipulation not just of light and darkness of the hearts, but also of causality since he was able to rewrite the prophecy of darkness prevaling and the light ending affecting Xenahort across time showing it was effect the entire timeline which is greater then even Good Omens God's fate manipulation. 

That said Sora may struggle against the raw power of Good Omens God, as he would be moreso rivaling the raw power of Death or Adam Young as opposed to a being that fodderizes them and also lacks speed. While I still he would win via hax and skill as well as general nature, for a counter that can also match the verse's power you could use


Andromeda Shun from Saint Seiya

Even back during the Sanctuary Arc, Seiya pushing his cosmo to the max was able to create a Big Bang. All Gold Saints can reach this level with the high tiers capable of doing so casually. Andromeda Shun with his ultimate power should be comparable in power, comparable to Gods. A Spectre with the blood of a god was strong enough to withstand an attack from all 12 gold saints, yet Shun was able to fight gods with his god cloth. His cosmo is also likely to be able to amped up to the speed of Cronos' power which could quickly encompass the entire multiverse, showing he would be able to keep up with speed.

Shun uses cosmo, the energy of the universe which can affect even conceptual forms of being and because he has awoken eithin him the 7th sense, he can perform miracles, altering probability, showing he could fight against the probability manipulation of the verse. He could also fight against Death as he has awoken the 8th sense which allows one control over one's own cycle of life and death and resists death manipualtion. While Death would normally be very strong in SS, Shun has the blood of the gods known as ichor, on his armor which grants resistance to causality manipulation as the titans tried to manipulate the causality of the universe against the saints which failed against the blood of the gods.

The blood of the gods in general gives resistance to a massive number of abilities to the point of being considered invulnerable to anything below the SS Gods, suggesting Shun could resist most of the abilities of this tier. He's also a much more skilled fighter and his chains will automatically react to protect him from danger so he couldn't be surprised by some extremely long range attack. Shun is also a completely noble soul and God would not want to fight him.

That said Shun's own natural disdain for fighting might stop him and he is vulnerable to being BFR-ed as he does not possess natural inter-dimensional travel or time travel. There's one character I thought would be the perfect counter to the verse, that being 


Superman from DC Comics

Superman survived the Big Bang which created the DC Universe, much larger then our universe, destroyed a structure that withstood the same Big Bang and fought against universal warpers like Blackstarr. He's also fast enough to burst the bounds of infinity and is one of the few characters that can reach the speedforce, showing he can travel through time, dimensions and conceptual barriers via raw speed.

Superman is essentially the tank of the Justice League, not only incredibly durable but incredibly resistant to abilities to the point that Blackstarr's universal reality-warping controlling the DC universe in all aspects could not affect the Kryptonians. Both Time Trapper and Dr. Manhattan, cosmic beings and reality-warpers stronger then Good Omens God could not erase Superman. Superman has also resisted death manipulation that affected whole universes.

Superman has also showed the ability to affect concepts, affecting True Darkseid and canceling him out by matching the vibrations of the strings making him up, as well as recently causing damage to the platonic archetypal realm of the Phantom Zone. This suggests he should be able to affect the god tiers of Good Omens fine.

He's an incredibly skilled fighter, specifically skilled in torquasm vo and torquasm rao which would allow him to draw any of the entities of the verse into a mental battleground. He's also actually more intelligent then anyone there. The most impressive intelligence feats for the verse is Death seeing the Discworld universe as a multi-sided jewel and God being universally omniscience, both of which are moreso awareness feats. Superman has rebuilt the Miracle Machine, a machine that can remake the multiverse, from memory.

Superman is also an embodiment of all that is good about humanity, and the culmination of the hopes and wishes of people, suggesting that in a world formed of human beliefs, he would be given a supreme absolute power. Superman would be a Top Tier in power, able to resist or recover from almost every notable ability or hax on the verse, able to ignore all defensive haxes, and would be able to use the very cosmology of the verse to bolster his abilities.






And that's how to be OP in Good Omens.

4 comments:

  1. Great blog Imp! Good Omens is not a verse that I heard of before but it seems like an interesting series. I love that you found Mary Poppins an appropriate counter for the first tier; her use of pocket dimensions really is a great way to counter Agnes’s foretelling. I’m very happy to see Godzilla and Sora, both characters from series I really like. It’s nice to see your analysis of Sora in particular since a lot of versus debaters don’t normally bring up his various haxes such as fate manipulation, sealing, etc., but you found the perfect verse for Sora to use them against. You also used Burning Godzilla to great affect with Gojira’s radiation aura defeating the angels and demons; I’m also impressed with your analysis of his cells being able to survive a black hole. The Horseshoe Centrist seems to be the most thematically fitting counter of all of these, since not only does he take advantage of the angels and demons being infinite mirrors of each other, but he seems to match the comedic tone of the verse. Just a lot of cool ideas for counters for such a uniquely structured verse.

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  2. This seems like a very interesting verse, reminds me of Dantes Divine Comedy if it was written by Himaruya. thats something i never thought i would say. That Mid Tier was Brutal, and it was in a way i didn't expect, just having infinite opponents alone is a damn powerful play, especially when they are all THIS level of hax. While i Didn't know too many characters in this one, i was super excited to see freaking Godzilla in this, and my fave iteration (heisei) on top of that, I honestly didn't think he would be that powerful here but you really proved it, you proved a lot of this really with a message i like, How Humanity creativity and imagination is our strongest quality, as its this short coming that was the downfall of a lot of this verses powerhouses.
    I had never heard of Bunny Girl Karen but she sounds Really fun and i kinda wanna know more, she does have Probability Manipulation, my fave power as her gimmick.
    Mary Freaking Poppina and Shun were really exciting to see as well but if we are talking about Picture Perfect Counters, Yeah Clark really hit the nail on the head that one, i was blown away by its simplicity and yet thematically appropriate nature with how he can resist everything, counter their defenses, and take advantage of their psychological biases with his very nature, but i dont know why im surprised, if anyone was gonna find a perfect use for Superman it was gonna be you.

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  3. Cool, been thinking about watching this series! It's popped up a couple times in your previous blogs and from what little I've seen, I'm intrigued. Seems like a light-hearted angels vs demons with humanity caught in between story, but holy smokes the powers on some of these tiers!

    The first one not nearly as much as the others, but I thought it still presented a very interesting challenge in that the stats were those of normal humans. When I think of characters who could take on modern Earth by themselves, I never think of ones with the stats of a guy down the road! I think I like Bunny Girl Karen the best among the counters here, and not because of her sexy outfit :P It's because she seems to demonstrate why I love probability manipulation/super good luck the most out of many superpowers out there. Taken to a high enough degree, it's just too OP! Would be interesting to see what the limits of her luck are. Though I must admit, as much as I like Karen here, Mary Poppins is definitely the best counter for the tier presented. I really appreciate the stealthiness with which she bends this verse to her will. Sussing out secrets, manipulating key figures...low-key takeovers are really cool imo.

    So the next tier is where things really bounce off the walls. The summary you gave after listing the capabilities of the angels and demons really says it all: this is insane! And there's infinite of 'em? You'd have to kill all of 'em at once, which is...carry the two...REALLY hard! Especially given all that hax. Lemme tell ya, I really didn't expect to see a Godzilla here! Being able to auto-delete everything around him is damn cool, and those stats were pretty great! And it's always nice to see 40k make an appearance. That verse has some REALLY strong high and top tiers! Glad to see you put Horus to work. But my favorite counter from this tier is the best one. Another very creative find Imp, well done! And the silliness of the Horseshoe Centrist seems fitting for this verse. Possibly one of the most niche characters you've used for a strategy guide blog, the Centrist is so fantastically tailored to countering the angels and demons of this tier. I was blown away! I was also caught by surprise by that other power/weapon up his sleeve being able to deal with any pesky humans, too.

    And then you gotta be OP vs stuff even crazier than that tier, like big G God. Very cool to see that Death's the same one from Discworld, the only Pratchett work I have some familiarity with. That speed feat is outta this world!!! And he and the horsemen are just an appetizer for this tier. Based on what could be exploited here, I was expecting some very cool and iconic humans, especially at least one character from shonen manga/anime, and I was not disappointed! I don't know much about the latest Kingdom Hearts game, but it sounds like Sora received some *significant* upgrades. I was surprised to see him pop up, thinking he couldn't handle this tier based on what I knew of him, but after reading your description of where he is now, the boy's truly a force to be reckoned with. But of course, I'm sure you knew when writing this blog that the counter after him would be my fave. It's Shun! Everyone's favorite pretty boy who may have a thing for bondage :P Taking him at the height of his power, I'm sure he could handle things here but it's always nice to read you talking about Saint Seiya. I often still learn new things about it whenever it comes up in your blogs, like how I tend to not consider Shun's weakness to dimensional/temporal BFR when I think about his capabilities.

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    1. And here's the rest since I talk too much.

      As much as I love Saint Seiya, I can't argue that Supes isn't the best counter for this verse. He is! To the point that I was thinking of him as a human earlier when I wrote about the counters for this tier being awesome iconic humans. Sometimes forget the dude is an alien, that's how well he's absorbed the human spirit just like he absorbs the Sun's rays. The thing I like most about him as a counter is that he doesn't just stomp things by being OP with great stats and essentially invulnerability (he does), but that he's also a thematic counter. That last line you said about him using the verse itself to be OP against this verse was very cool! And as a final note, that intelligence feat really impressed me.

      A very welcome surprise, thanks for the blog Imp! My interest in Good Omens has only grown, well done!

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