Monday, July 20, 2020

How would Spider-Man do in my favorite verses?

So an interesting thing to me is that Spider-Man is one of my favorite characters but he's not actually from one of my favorite series. Given my love of DC Comics, you'd think I would either love Marvel (since it's the other of the Big 2 Superhero Companies with a large fan overlap) or hate Marvel (because I'd be totally Team DC) but honestly I don't have strong feelings for or against Marvel as a whole. On the other hand Spider-Man is one of my favorite characters of all time, like top 5 material. So this is a blog going over how strong Spider-Man would be in each of my favorite verses.

Axis Powers Hetalia: Spider-Man doesn't honestly do very well here without prep time. He doesn't have the area of effect to effect an entire country, unless it's a micronation like Sealand (a single ship he could sink). The countries may have a hard time actually hitting Spider-Man, but he's more likely to get hit in a large scale area of effect attack then he is to wipe out the entire populace of a country.

Bayonetta: Again without prep Spider-Man would struggle here although for a different reason. While Spider-Man is physically strong enough to at least contend with second sphere angels and their demonic equivalents, they naturally exist in purgatorio, another dimension that can interact with and percieve the main dimension but not the other way around. As not even the Spider-Sense extends in other dimensions, Spider-Man would have real trouble fighting anything in the verse. Assuming he gets access to Purgatory though, he'd be about second sphere level.

Cardcaptor Sakura: The Clow Spirits, Spider-Man should be able to effect as they have elemental rather then higher plane intangibility (for instance Watery being frozen into Ice or Shadow being reduced by Sakura charging the lights of the city). Spider-Man should not only be able to compete physically with the 4 Corner Elemental Clow Spirits, strongest outside Light and Dark, but he should be able to beat thme with the same strategies that Sakura does. Sakura's a clever girl, but Spider-Man is a supergenius intellect. It wouldn't be too different to his normal fights against people like Sandman and Hydroman except the Clow Spirits are a lot less vicious, only being trouble due to being true to their element and sometimes causing mischief rather then being killers. That said I don't think he would be able to beat Light or Dark, given their cosmic level of power.

Commedia: Spider-Man as far as I can tell completely stalemates the damned as he can't affect intangible shades but they can't do anything to him with their level of strength. Even their foresight ability isn't something that would beat him as he beat Madame Web in a fight who can see the future much better then the damned. He has a massive stat advantage against any monster or demon of the Inferno and even Medusa gaze would do nothing as he has resisted petrification before. That said he obviously gets stomped by any Ascended Being. He simply has no way of negatively affecting them at all and they can casually one-shot.

Cutey Honey: Going just by original Cutey Honey, Spider-Man stomps everything in the verse just by sheer stats. Honey was originally stated to be able to die to normal gunfire, and while she got stronger, she still doesn't have feats to compare to Spider-Man's even mid range feats. The I-System's transmutation could hypothetically kill Spider-Man but he is fast enough to blitz everyone there. Witch Zora might be a trouble but she's got no way of stopped Spidey normally, while he could most likely invent a way through dimensions to get to her and while her giant sized form is impressive, he has the strength to still beat her.

Danny Phantom: So this one really depends on whether you think adhesion would allow Peter to physically effect the ghostly ectoplasm matter. If so I think base Spider-Man could maybe beat S2 Danny and relative Mid-Tiers like Skulker or Technus, with high difficulty. Spider-Sense counters invisibility although they would have a big power advantage and a mild speed advantage. If you gave him the Other amp, he would probably have a fairly even fight with S3 Danny.

DC Comics: DC doesn't have as many "mid-tiers" between street level and cosmic levels. Spider-Man would beat all the conventional DC street tiers just because Marvel has alot higher street level scaling, let alone his massive intelligence. Him vs Batman is interesting. Batman would be a fairly high tier street tier character in Marvel even despite the stat disadvantage due to sheer hax and the likes but I DON'T think he's quite Spidey's tier. It helps that while Batman is a more skilled fighter, and has more hax and general tech, Spider-Man should be arguably as smart as Batman, the two being pretty comparable as Batman has feats of being relative to Lex and Spidey has feats of being relative to Reed who is smarter then Victor, usually agreed to being equal to Lex in intellect. Batman would be a relative high tier Marvel Street Level character, like around the likes of Black Panther, but Spider-Man's near the top of the marvel street levels.

Freedom Force: I've been somewhat reconsidering FF being island level scaling to Pan, since Pan's island's size is a bit inconsistent. The High Tiers of the verse are town or island level, depending on your interpretation of some key feats. Either way I think Spider-Man would dbe a high tier, though he could either be a mid-high or one of the strongest. Though either way I think he probably loses to Tombstone due to Tombstone's intangibility and Mentor. Spider-Man can probably resist Mentor's mind hax, but Mentor has similar reaction time to Spidey, is more focused and direct in combat, and can use a multiversal sealing ability he used on Time Master. Spider-Man could possibly beat Mentor as well, depending on how he approachs it.

God of War: I know reddit unironically argues that Spider-Man would beat Kratos, but yeah Spidey doesn't get very far here. If you take a bloodlusted Spidey who uses Mark of Kain and he fights smart, I could see him taking down some high low tiers like the non-divine bosses and minibosses of Ascension and Chains of Olympus as Spider-Man can with high difficulty avoid things moving at lightspeed, and mark of kain can work on Iron Man armors, but I definitely don't think he could take on the Furies. MAYBE he could beat one of them, but even that's a stretch.

Magic Knight Rayearth: This one is just a pretty clear case of him being between two tiers of characters. Spider-Man is above all the ground forces of the series to the point it would take the greatest mage Guru Clef's full power attack to beat Spidey, and probably multiple of them, while he can blitz and one-shot. That said he obviously can't take on a Rune God, considering even in the first arc they can take on the power of the Pillar which threatened the entire world of Cephiro. That said if he was in Cephiro, I'm not sure he wouldn't immediatly become a nigh omnipotent reality-warping god, considering how strong his willpower is and how everything on Cephiro is determined by peoples' willpowers. He's got way better willpower feats then the pillar who controlled reality on a planetary scale.

Magicka: Honestly, despite a single Magicka wizard being a decently high tier Marvel Street Tier, Spider-Man probably solos Midgard. The main problem is that he can casually one-shot a wizard and they're not quick enough in reactions to put up a shield before he does so, not that they would do so given their lack of combat focus. He can also effect their elements just fine with adhesion. His spider-sense would probably give him intel on the mana being charged giving him everything he needs to beat even someone like Grimnir. On the other hand without prep he wouldn't have any way of stopping Assatur since he needed to be drawn to Midgard from the ethereal realm.

Metroid: Spider-Man would be roughly Space Pirate or Zero Suit Samus Tier physically. His enhanced versatility and powerset means he would win pretty clearly against either of those but he can't get much farther. Samus is a fair fight for Iron Man who Spider-Man struggles against. I could maybe see Peter beating Base Power Samus by web cocooning her like he did Iron Man in OMD, but that seems relatively improbable.

Okami: This one is just mean to Spider-Man. Beginning of the game Amaterasu could make a distant star with a single casual dab of her celestial brush and basic Imps are strong enough to somewhat challenge this Amaterasu. Spider-Man is essentially civilian tier.

Ouran High School Host Club: Inverse of above, Spider-Man stomps the verse. They don't even have abilities let alone stats to match his.

Over the Garden Wall: While this verse has some actual abilites, it's hard to imagine much of anything in this verse stopping Spider-Man given his massive stat advantage.

Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt: I've been re-assessing whether the verse is actually way stronger then I gave it credit for, but even a lower end interpretation means Spider-Man doesn't get very far in the verse, not that the verse has a lot of fighters per se. The Good/Bad luck auras of the Angels/Demons should mess Spidey up outside of a questionable interpretation that Spider-Man's personal bad luck keeping him alive countering that. At the very least he probably can hit the Demons in their shadow form as he fought the internal demons of Fireheart made of darkness.

Pretty Cure: It's kind of hard to talk about Pretty Cure just as a whole due to it's massive length of mostly unconnected seasons but most Cures are signifigantly stronger then Spider-Man with FTL speeds and planet level power being possessed by a good amount of them. He could beat the Doki Doki Cures and he would have a fairly even fight with the Fresh Cures but the stronger cures are just out of his weight class.

Princess Tutu: Spider-Man, while not massively stronger then the high tier fighters, is massively faster and more agile, and can probably beat anyone save Drosselmeyer who hard counters Spider-Man in almost way save for the fact that Drosselmeyer would love to play with Spider-Man's tragic life. Drosselmeyer is an intangible being in another dimension both of which are hard counters to his abilities, with offensive hax Peter can't resist.

Puella Magi Madoka Magicka: Spider-Man is about on par really with most normal magical girls and witches physially. His Spider-Sense may or may not work on something in a Witch's labyrinth since it's a dimension contained within the main universe. He has a bit of a speed advantage although is at a bit of a power disadvantage, though he can more easily make it up then the inverse. That said obviously the really strong magical girls and witches will beat him, not neccesarily stats per se as I think most magical girls and witches are actually fairly comparable, it's the hax abilities they get that are really unbeatable.

Sailor Moon: Spider-Man vs a Dark Agency member would be sort of like him vs Quicksilver, albeit a Quicksilver with less combat capabilities and more hax abilities. That said he does have country scale mind hax resistance and energy hax resistance, suggesting to me he should actually be able to beat most Dark Agency Members though I really can't see him beating someone like one of the Heavenly Kings. The stat difference is just too high let alone their more versatile ability array.

Saint Seiya: There's a bit of an impasse where Spider-Man is faster then even more Silver Saints, but his actual power would be neglible, dwarfed by Seiya even before getting the Pegasus Cloth. Even if Peter was bloodlusted, Cosmo hard counters Mark of Kaine as Saints have complete control of their own atoms. I don't see him doing very well with standard equipment and no prep time in Saint Seiya. He'd be pretty hard to hit for most sub-Gold Saint level entities and he could possibly wear them down stamina-wise, but any offense he tries to throw is just negged. You can't even say he uses the anti-brainwaves web he used to shut down Doc Oc's control of his webs because the clothes are attuned to the cosmo, or spiritual energy, of the person, not their telepathic control (their sixth sense for SS)

Shamanic Princess: Spider-Man solos everyone in the verse except Yord, who completely stomps him. They have abilities that might kill him like time freezing, but their stats are only barely enough to compete with him and his Spider-Sense would warn him of the danger of time freezers. Yord I could see playing around with him, turning into a Spider-Man and fighting him to see what makes him tick, that seems very in character for both. However I can't see Spider-Man attaining enlightenment and defeating Yord since character-wise he is locked within an extremely strong dualistic system of responsibility and irresponsibility, and so can't reach the non-dualistic mind to transcend Yord.

The Powerpuff Girls: Spider-Man would be a street tier hero in the verse. He could fight the sort of low tier villains in the series like the Gangreen Gang via his intelligence, skill and other abilities but anyone who legit scales to the girls is obviously just going to stomp him. It's very much a case of him being between two tiers.

The Stanley Parable: Spider-Man can obviously beat Stanley all he like but he's not really equipped to fight the Narrator in any meaningful way.

Tokyo Mew Mew: Similar to Shamanic Princess. The Mew Mews would be very dangerous opponents for Spider-Man as their mew power would essentially undo his genetic mutation and turn him into a normal human again. That said he's got a real mobility/speed/skill advantage on them which would make him hard to hit without the spider-sense. That said he would have no real way of defeating Deep Blue without prep time. The best I could see is him somehow tricking Deep Blue into reverting Masaya identity as he has done to turn Hulk back into Bruce Banner, but that requires prior knowledge that Deep Blue is Masaya, and in a straightup fight he dies, regardless of speed advantage.

Undertale: Spider-Man easily solos all the normal monsters and the boss monsters that aren't god tiers just from massive stats. Him having no killing intent and thus no ability to exploit their weakness doesn't really matter when he just has far greater feats then them, as well as enough mobility and speed to easily dodge any danmaku he could get into. Against the Cosmics though he really isn't out of luck. I know the speed of UT God Tiers is somewhat nebulous, but even if he remains much faster, he doesn't much options against someone like Omega Flowey, who is arguably the weakest of the UT God Tiers. His webs might be able to bind him a little if you scale them off Squirrel Girl, but Flowey can just load an earlier save point. He also has no defense against metahax which they all use.

Wander over Yonder: Similar to Okami, this is a verse where every figher scales to an insane level scaling from Wander plugging a tiny black hole that had enough mass to suck the entire galaxy into it (ie had way more then a galaxy's worth of mass" with his finger. At best Spider-Man can beat random civilians if you say they don't scale to Wander but yeah.

Xiaolin Showdown: This one is kind of interesting. Physically speaking in terms of strength, durability and speed, Spider-Man is pretty comparable to Season 1 Dragons and the lower tier villains of the series. That said his skill and intelligence would be god tier, as though Chase Young was physically weakened to S1 Omi's level physically. Against actually higher threats, his spider-sense means he can react and his webbing can actually at least hold them briefly though it's unlikely he could hurt them even with Mark of Kaine. As such he would still be a somewhat relevant character later on, and could help, but wouldn't be able to beat the stronger threats in a direct fight.

xxxHolic: xxxHolic is a very difficult series to scale since so much of it is indirect shows of power and ability. There are some threats in the verse that Spider-Man can beat with raw stats and anti-elemental intangibility like nature spirits who while strong are only about as strong as his normal rogue gallery he regularly beats. Against most mental threats, he'd be handicapped by the fact that he doesn't know Japanese folklore but his actual raw intelligence is so high he'd probably still be fine. I can't see him beating big names like the Collector Ghost however, he's simply not very well equipped for it. It would be really interesting to see how Yuuko reacts to him, as she'd be able to sense his bad luck aura and probably would want to purify him (though likely would not able too).

Yu Yu Hakusho: This is another interesting one. At first it might seem like he wouldn't be able to affect anything because of spirits and demons naturally intangibility. However basic spiritual awareness in the series lets one see and interact with them, to the point that a good number of untrained humans can do it just to a stronger spiritual proclivity. Spider-Man not only has a very strong spirit canonically but underwent chi training with Captain America, so it's likely he could interact with them. If that is the case Spider-Man would probably classify as an upper B Class to low A Class fight. His strength and durability are both Upper B Class, around Dark Tournament Yusuke and Younger Toguro, but his speed is more Low A Class and he has a skill that would be very strong, like Sensui strong. He'd be a god tier fighter due to speed, skill and abilities in the Dark Tournament. Against Sensui he'd be at a massive disadvantage due to speed and a massive gap in raw power, however if he is fighting with Yusuke and co I can see Spider-Man helping a bit perhaps with spider-sense and possibly Mark of Kaine which should work on at least Upper A Class entities.

Yu-Gi-Oh!: This one is actually pretty simple. Spider-Man stat stomps anyone who isn't intangible. There are intangible entities he could beat if he could effect but anyone who stat stomps him like the Egyptian Gods are Duel spirits he can't affect naturally anyway.

Yuki Yuna is a Hero: Spider-Man is at a power disadvantage against even a Base Hero but a speed advantage. He honestly has a speed advantage with enhanced mobility compared to even a mankai hero. That said fairy barriers are something he probably wouldn't have much of a way around. I could see Spider-Man taking down vertexes but even Mark of Kaine wouldn't work on fairy barriers since it's essentially part of the Shinju. Binding with webs might work as they have stretched over a forcefield before.

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