Tuesday, September 10, 2019

VBW PMMM downgrade thread response 3


The World of Witches was clearly stated to be the place where witches existed, as opposed to the World of Wraiths, meaning it contains all the universes with witches that were erased by Ultimate Madoka (infinite universes as stated in Homura Tamura).

The World of Witches is never expressly stated to contain every universe where witches existed. Also you did not show that infinite universes existed at the same time, only that some universe probably exist at the same time, and Mami claimed there are infinite universes (which may not exist at the same time) which is information that she does not state she got from her book.

You seem to just be assuming the world of witches HAS to refer to an entire multiverse, and that Madoka had to have just erased it all at once, which is a combination of not confirmed and contradicted. Madoka did not erase the world of witches, the existence of her new law caused the universe to reorder itself into the world of wraiths.

This is really the problem in a nutshell, you seem to just assume that everytime a character mentions "everything" or the "world" it has to be everything that does exist, something which is not justified since it's bound to what the character is aware of, and moreover is not something that is done for any other universe.

The previous multiverse appears inside Homura's shield and is seen along with the most powerful witch of all times. If Madoka had simply rewritten the laws of the universe, it wouldn't have been a non-existent multiverse, but simply a multiverse which belonged to the past.

Cite where this is stated. I do not recall it once being stated that there was a multiverse in Homura's shield. Also this is heavily inconsistent as everytime the world of witches is referred to, it is said that Madoka rewrote the universe into the universe's current form, not that she destroyed the old multiverse (involving the erasure of billions+ of people) and then making a new old. This seems drastically out of character. 

Ultimate Madoka watches and blesses all magical girls from every universe, as showed in the "The Goddess and the Mysterious Record" event, not just the Magia Record timeline.

I can not see how this is supposed to be an AP feat. Being able to see every universe that could have been and might be, as well as "blessing" them does not show any kind of attack potency.

However, this isn't an hyperbole. In Wraith Arc, it was clearly stated that the "Concept" of witches no longer exists in the universe, meaning that Madoka not only deleted the cause that makes magical girls turn into witches, but she erased the very concept of "Witch".

Completely Impossible. This is directly contradicted as explained in the first post. Madoka not wish to erase the concept of witches, only to stop every instance of witch from being born, which she does. Madoka is not shown to destroy the concept of witches, just to save every magical girl. Witches and their existence are integral to the plot of Rebellion. If Madoka can not interfere a magical girl will still turn into a witch. 

A character statement that contradicts the plot shows the character is wrong. There is no way Madoka destroyed the CONCEPT of witches when Homura still threatens to turn into a Witch when Madoka can not get to her. 

You asked me to cite the statement and I did it.

This discussion had been about if Madoka is multiversal. You cited something that doesn't seem to at all suggest Madoka isn't multiversal.


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