Sunday, June 27, 2021

How they compare: The Throne of Yord (Shamanic Princess)

 


Before the world there was a truer existence, the Throne of Yord. Attempting to alleviate its loneliness and understand the strange sensation of "otherness" that it knew would relieve it's loneliness it caused the worlds to be formed, allowing it to be lulled into a deep sleep to understand this world in it's dreams.

The dormant self of the Throne of Yord was discovered by the world of sorcerers, Guardian World. Not fully understanding it but knowing it's existence was crucial to the maintence of the world and magic, set out to keep it a sleep and contented, and created a hierarchy dedicated to protecting it and keeping it from being taken. While their efforts were admirable, nothing could prevent the Demiurge's attempt to understand the world.


The Throne of Yord's raw power is beyond compare to anything else in the Shamanic Princess-verse. It's power was neccesary to maintain the human world and the guardian world. It is not made clear whether that these mean planets or universes and while logically maintaining worlds in differnet dimensions and existing without concept of "other" suggests things on the universal sense, even at a conservative estimate the Throne of Yord is casually 2x planetary for maintaining worlds. It is also stated that the Throne of Yord is the origin of all power, which could likely include the great cosmic events like supernova, black hole formations and even the birth or death of universes.

Speed is seemingly mostly irrelevant to Throne of Yord as the Throne of Yord does not exist in a particular place, even if the sorcerers of guardian world attempted to make it so, and the versions of it appearing in dreams are the same entity as it's physical self, showing it is at least a mental plane being, and likely far greater form of existence as it predates living beings whatsoever. For a more conservative speed estimate, as part of it's nature as being at one with everything, the Throne of Yord would be at one with the fastest cosmic phenomena such as the propogation of photons at c through a vacuum. 


By far the Throne of Yord's strongest power is something so strong that it arguably makes it the strongest magical girl character though some in the genre can defeat it via exploiting it's weaknesses. The Throne of Yord is a transdual entity, meaning it transcends the concept of "duality" or "two-ness." Things like "alive or dead" "truth or falsehood" or "real or dream" do not apply to the Throne of Yord. There is no seperate thing from Yord, for that is a twoness that does not apply, it is at one with all. To fight the Throne of Yord thus is indistinguishable from battling all of reality including oneself. To kill it, erase it, or otherwise render it inert is conventionally impossible as such are concepts that it exists beyond.

Beyond that the Throne of Yord does have other abilities although none so impressive. It is stated to be the origin of all power and all magic, meaning it should easily scale to every ability in the verse, only made more evident by its ability to "become" anyone; either a duplicate, or literally to inhabit that being as it does to Sara, not possessing them, but simply being them as it is at one with all things. 

Every sorcerer in the series has the ability to travel between guardian world to the human world, likely an inter-dimensional movement feat, with the Throne of Yord able to create city-sized portals between worlds. Sorcerers have shown time manipulation, able to freeze time on at least a city-sized scale, and tank it without affect. Sorcerers also can summon intangible monsters to fight for them and are implied to be able to create souls as when Graham was brought to the Guardian World, he was stated to not have a soul yet.

The Throne of Yord should be able to replicate the magic of the Neutralizers who can nullify magic and worked together to keep the Throne of Yord's power dormant. The Throne of Yord directly showed brainwashing and at one point it's stated it was the one who sent the servant races to the Guardian World, though the method is unknown. The Throne of Yord also has general purpose reality-warping creating a stony fortress, warping it into a forest dimension and back, and creating all power and magic.

The Throne of Yord has also showed numerous more minor points including darkness manipulation and creating dark lightning that it could use to move people as well as forging weapons of darkness and levitation. It also mentions at one point that its will is the same as fate, though it's unclear whether this is just a way of saying it controls everything or its will is literally fate.

The Throne of Yord is cosmically intelligent, with Tiara describing its intelligence as "knowing all", a thing to expect given it's transduality though knowing all is not the same as understanding all for even with all the intelligence of being, it couldn't reconcile itself with otherness.

In terms of weaknesses, the Throne of Yord has a few. The Throne of Yord's power can be nullified which was how the Guardians attempted to keep it dormant, though it's made clear this was moreso because it allowed them too. Furthermore, any enlightened being, a being with full awareness of reality, can forcibly merge with and defeat the Throne of Yord. Tiara did this by coming to awareness that dualities are false dichotomies, fractured perspectives of a single underlying reality just as a marble falling into water and it's reflecting falling the opposite way are in fact the same phenomena. However, it is also implied that this was only possible because the Throne of Yord allowed it, with all the events of the series being its manipulation to resolve its loneliness. Both of these weaknesses arive from the psychological weakness of the Throne of Yord; it does not care about winning a fight, it merely wishes to find an existence outside its' own, so overwhelmed with the sense of loneliness is it. It is made clear that the Throne of Yord could have crushed Tiara at any time, but it was not trying to kill her, it was trying to understand from her. Unless bloodlusted it will probably not try to kill an enemy with its full power, but instead adopt similar tactics of trying to mimic it or inhabit it's dreams to try to understand.


Name: The Throne of Yord
Origin: Shamanic Princess
Powers and Abilities: Transduality, Higher Plane Existence, Creation, Reality-Warping, Inter-dimensional and planar movement, Duplication, Power/Body Mimicry, Power Nullification, Summoning, Time Freezing, Darkness and Lightning Manipulation, Levitation, Likely Soul Manipulation, Possibly Fate Manipulation, Resistance to Time Manipulation
Weaknesses: Fixiated on understanding others instead of winning, Power Nullification, Enlightened Enemies
Destructive Capacity: At least planet level, possibly far higher
Range: Planetary+ and Inter-Dimensional
Speed: At least Lightspeed, possibly far higher, exists in multiple places and planes of being at once
Durability: Inapplicable, transcends life/death, truth/false, or real/dream and so can not be conventionally killed or erased
Stamina: Likely Inapplicable
Standard Equipment: Nothing notable
Intelligence: Is said to know all


So how well would the Throne of Yord do in other verses?


In the Marvel Universe, the Throne of Yord would only be at about the level of the High Metas in terms of power using a conservative estimate of its feats as they have feats of things like the Thing reversing a machine that would going to destroy the Earth and light-timing feats. That said its transduality means it would hit far outside its power range.

There are plenty of beings in the verse that use their psychic powers to communicate with the Throne of Yord in their dreams and while such could gather information it would likely be quickly forbidden for being risky without much benefit as it could kill them there without much ability to affect it. 

There are enlightened beings who would very clearly be able to stop it including the Ancient One, mentor of Dr. Strange, and Contemplator one of the Elders of the universe. Arguably Gwenpool could possibly beat the Throne of Yord having awoken to her nature as a comic book character, and Mister Fantastic may be able to beat it by nullifying its power via the Ultimate Nullifier. That said while there are entities in the verse that can beat it, it would likely be an immense immediate threat due to the scarcity of such beings and its ability to mimic powers and inhabit beings. It would take up to the cosmic cube level entities that you get to a tier comfortably outside the reach of the Throne of Yord due to how common enlightenment and power nullification is. 


In the DC Universe, the Throne of Yord would be far below planetary guardians or villains having power only relative to a teenage kryptonian and speed even below that. That said similar to Marvel, due to his transduality and power mimicry he would be an immense threat far beyond his power tier, being essentially able to pull Amazo's strategy on mega steriods.

I think DC is arguably more equipped to fight the Throne of Yord as there seems to be more enlightened entities, as DC has more psychological/spiritual based powers as opposed to the more sci-fi approach of Marvel. Most of the people highly connected to the elemental realms, or the green, red, or clear can likely stop the Throne of Yord. Aquaman can use his connection to the clear to defeat the Throne of Yord, and Swamp Thing and Animal Man have both shown enlightenment through connection to the green and the red with Animal Man even coming to awareness of his metafictional nature and manipulating it. Superman has also been implied to have attained enlightenment due to his training in Torquasm Vo and his natural moral goodness and super senses which allow him to understand reality on its deepest level. 

DC also has the weakest characters I know I think could win via exploiting the Throne of Yord's enlightenment weakness. Harley Quinn could potentially do it as she is aware of her nature as a fictional being even reading what will happen in future issues and restoring the DC multiverse by making a story and using the metafictional nature of hypertime. The Joker also could likely do it for similar reasons, being aware of his fictional nature and able to physically turn the pages of the book he's in, although the Joker merging with the Throne of Yord is a horrific idea to contemplate.


In the Princess Tutu-verse, the Throne of Yord would quickly threaten to solo it easily, being orders of magnitude more powerful and faster then anything in the verse. That said if it messed around there are 2 people that could fight it.

Drosselmeyer is a ghost with metafictional powers and is implied to be able to be enlightened. Hypothetically he could beat the Throne of Yord however he's bound by his own character weakness to pursue as tragic a story as possible, and would likely try to exploit the Throne of Yord's suffering in solitude for artistic reasons, and if the two are messing around I think it's far more likely the Throne of Yord will get bored and just kill Drosselmeyer first as it's far less patient, has interdimensional inter-planar abilities and ability to affect souls, and far greater power.

However Fakir in awakening to his own storyteller powers also reached enlightenment and is a far more serious dedicated person, devoted to protecting his loved ones, and it's likely he could save the verse from the Throne of Yord, especially if the Throne of Yord is distracted by Princess Tutu, the embodiment of hope, something he has never felt.


In the Puella Magi-verse, the Throne of Yord would fit weirdly powerwise as everyone in the verse is either much stronger or much weaker in power to my recollection, stronger then moon level entities then Max Power Walpurgisnacht who can stop the rotation of the Earth but far weaker then the Madoka Robot who was relative in sizes to Gas Giants.

It's a bit unclear who in the Puella Magi-verse would be classified as "enlightened" though presumably at least the top tiers of the verse are being able to see all, which presumably would quality for reaching full awareness, although even ignoring that the Incubators should hypothetically be able to trap it the Isolation Zone as they planned to do to Kami Madoka, something similar to what the Neutralizers did to the Throne of Yord only millions to billions of years more advanced in magitech capability. Likewise, Homura should be able to stop it via power-stealing even in her Puella Magi state if it's not bloodlusted and in her Akuma form if it is.

Her vs the Mutated Wraith from the Wraith Arc would be interesting depending on whether you think the Wraith would be able to mimic transduality as both would hypothetically mimic and absorb all the abilities of the other. Hypothetically the Throne of Yord should win unless it messes around long enough for the Wraith to defeat it via similar mechanisms as Homura or the Incubators.


In the Lovecraft Mythos, the Throne of Yord would be most comparable in stature to one of the Great Old Ones, having more power then the likes of Cthulhu but having worse speed feats. It's arguable whether a Great Old One could defeat the Throne of Yord as they can telepathically know all happening in the universe however such is also true of the Throne and is not the same as Enlightenment as it is not seeing the deeper layers of reality with Cthulhu for instance only spying those outside space and time dimly. 

Supplementary material in the Cthulhu Mythos has the Buddha being a human who attained Enlightenment and reaching the layer of the lowest Outer Gods, suggesting that is about the level needed to destroy the Throne of Yord (unless power null is used), although the beings between the Great Old Ones and the Outer Gods like the Elder Gods are probably also outside the Throne of Yord's ability to affect.

As the Demiurge, the Throne of Yord would actually fit quite comfortably within the Lovecraft Mythos, the progenitor of the reality of material existence that the Star-Spawned traveled to from a deeper more fundamental noncorporeal reality, sleeping in the way of the Great Old Ones and Azathoth the great dreamer, giving to the material worlds it's substance as Azathoth gives to the cosmos their frail laws. The Throne of Yord is thus formed of the archetype of Azathoth in the same way as all scientists and sorcerers formed from the archetype of Yog-Sothoth. Thus overall the Throne of Yord would be to the physical universe what Azathoth is to the whole of the cosmos. 


In the Touhou Project-verse, the Throne of Yord would not be very strong in raw power only really being above low tiers in power, but despite the verse's complex esoteric powers, the Throne of Yord would be quite dangerous to many in the verse, due to its ability to mimic powers and difficulty to be affected. 

While the great sages or the Shrine Maiden Reimu would be able to defeat it via their enlightenment and powerful abilities most of the verse would have to be lucky with magical containment spheres to beat it. However the verse does have another counter to it; that being Koishi. 

For all it's awareness and power extending to all things in the cosmos, the Throne of Yord does have memories and does have to notice things and Koishi is a Satori who closed her 3rd eye seperating her from the universe, making her impossible to notice or detect. This means even being at one with all things in the universe does not mean the Throne of Yord would be able to notice her. Beyond this Koishi is not just enlightened, she is said by a Buddhist Saint to embody enlightenment itself, meaning she would not just be able to beat the Throne of Yord, her present would literally allow anyone else she deems to be able to defeat it. Koishi is actually the perfect counter to the Throne of Yord.

Wednesday, June 23, 2021

Levels of scaling difficulty

 Some verses are harder to scale than other verses. This is an attempted categorization of verse difficulty to scale. This is a categorization out of 5 points based primarily on 3 factors:

1: Length: Obviously a series gets harder the longer it goes just do to how much information one needs to know to scale it properly.

2: Directness: How direct and obvious is the scaling? Are the feats just blatant and in your face, or it subtle obscure details both for how strong characters are and how they relate?

3: Abstractness: How abstract of ideas does the verse use? Are the abilities of the verse pretty standard or is it crazy higher plane mystical jargon everywhere.

There's hypothetically a fourth factor which is the availability of the series; how easy is to actually find and watch/read/play etc. but I felt that's not really a fair factor so this assumes you can actually find it perfectly fine.

1/5: Very Easy: Very easy is for series where none of the 3 factors are problems. It's something you can view all the way through pretty easily in a few hours and which you need to view once, MAYBE twice to get all the information you need from it. Being an expert for this series is kind of a meaningless title as anyone can become an expert in this series very quickly. None of the series on my favorites list are this low because only a few are short enough, and they tend to have abstract concepts but going into my favorite films list if you were trying to scale something like Princess Mononoke or the Iron Giant, it would be this level of difficulty. Just watch the films once and take notes and you'll be a scaling expert for the series. In general this isn't the difficulty level of series, this is the difficulty level of the thousands of single shot installments (singular films, books, games etc.) of short to normal length without any underlying scaling system or complex concepts.

2/5: Easy: Easy difficulty means the series is either easier then normal in at least two of the three categories or is really easy in one; either it's very short, it's very simple, or it's very direct. An easy series is a series that's unusually easy to scale and while it's not as easy as the 1/5, it still would only take one maybe a couple of days to become an expert at it. Experts of this are more commendable therefore because it shows some effort was put in, but if you want to become an expert of any 2/5 series, it's not gonna be that difficult. Examples from my favorite series would include things like Tokyo Mew Mew or the Powerpuff Girls. Both verses have relatively simple scaling with only a few "tiers", pretty direct in-your-face feats, and not too many abstract concepts (PPG having more then TMM.) Series where there's basically no powers but are long-running are usually here from length, I think. It's not hard to do, it just takes a while.

3/5: Average: Normal difficulty to scale. This is for when 0-1 of the three factors are easier or harder then normal and none to any huge degree. This is when being an expert on a verse starts to become notable, and it's a notable time investment if you want to become an expert in the verse. Examples from my favorite series would include things like Freedom Force or Magic Knight Rayearth. Both verses are of fairly average lengths (FF being 2 normal sized tactical RPGs and MKR being a relatively normal sized anime), both have some tricky bits to their scaling but are mostly easy, and both are mostly pretty normal in terms of powers used but with some more abstract stuff near the endings of their arcs. This is the difficulty for most things that are relatively average in difficulty to scale; mostly straightfoward to scale with a few complications here and there. 

4/5: Hard: Harder then normal to scale, these verses have multiple factors making them harder then normal or at least 1 factor that's pretty extreme whether that's being really long, having lots of details and complications, or being very abstract and esoteric. Generally one relies on experts of this verse if you want to use it, as the verse's time commitment to understand is outside the scope of most vs debaters. The verse might not neccesarily be that long, but it means this takes a longer time then normal to understand. Examples of this from my favorite series include Sailor Moon and God of War. Sailor Moon is not terribly long as a series, main series being 60 acts, but it's full of tiny details and complicated powers and abstract ideas and the scaling is very much not in one's face half the time. God of War is a bit longer given that it's a multimedia franchise with novelizations and comics, and while it's scaling is usually a lot more blatant then SM, it still has many more abstract feats and ideas in it. 

5/5: Very Hard: Series that are very hard to scale are series that are difficult in all regards being generally massive multimedia franchises with difficult scaling and very out there ideas. A distinctive feature of this difficulty is these are series that are difficult enough that some vs debaters focus strictly on scaling these series just so that the information within can be used by others. Examples of these from my favorite series include Saint Seiya and the Clamp-verse in general. Both are massive franchises that require one to watch multiple anime, read multiple manga, and go through supplemenary material to fully understand, have a ton abstract ideas and concepts, and are complicated in their scaling. Very hard series are series that even hardcore fans may not be experts in.

Marvel and DC would probably the hardest series in abstract to scale due to the unmatched amount of content both franchises have, the vast number of concepts including everything you can imagine, and the complications in scaling from numerous writers. That said those verses are made easier then they would otherwise be due to just how many people are constantly scaling them.

Thursday, June 17, 2021

Ranking the Sailor Moon Heroes' intelligence

 I saw a screenrant article ranking the Sailor Moon "main characters'" intelligence and it it's a blog I've wanted to make for a while so I'm gonna be responding to it while giving a more accurate list. The article doesn't specify whether they are talking about the manga or the anime, much like a lot of screenrant articles, but the Minako section makes me think they're talking about the manga which is my area of focus regardless. I'm going to be addressing the elephant in the room at the end because the number 1 is...um....well you'll see

So ranking the Senshi in order of intelligence:

11: Chibiusa

The article puts Chibiusa at the bottom and yeah this is correct. She's mentally the youngest senshi and doesn't have any particularly have any intelligence feats to think she'd be any higher. That said the section for her does the reccuring trend in this article which is to try and associate things that aren't intelligence with intelligence. 

The article says "she decides to time travel without truly thinking about the consequences or forming a coherent plan." Firstly, she did have a plan. The Silver Crystal of the future wasn't working so get the Silver Crystal of the past (present). Secondarly impulsivity and immaturity are not intelligence. But third and most importantly THE CRYSTAL PALACE WAS BEING BOMBED AND GASSED. Chibiusa in the second arc is roughly 5 mentally and the only home she's ever known is being bombed from above, while her parents are frozen in crystal; the fact that she ran away into the past is not just sensible it honestly speaks to her bravery and mental fortitude. Early in the second arc Chibiusa becomes terrified at the sight of shards of the black crystal reminding her of the future. This is not some kind of intelligence anti-feat.

10: Usagi

So if this was judged by emotional intelligence, Usagi would obviously be number 1 being able to understand even the motives of conceptual darkness like Chaos. That said in general intelligence Usagi is supposed to be a completely average girl. She struggles in school, although her school is implied to be a hard one and it's partially from her poor study habits. She's above Chibiusa because the two are both roughly average in intelligence for their intelligence but Usagi is not just a decade older mentally, she also has past life awareness and has the knowledged gained as Princess Serenity.

This is not including her Queen Serenity self, as the article seems to be written only about their present day selves but as Sailor Cosmos Usagi is arguably the smartest character in the series.

9: Makoto

The article puts the Guardian Senshi way too high and everyone else way to low in comparison. The section for Makoto says things that either aren't intelligence (she can take care of herself and "analyze threats" because she fights bullies) or are just outright false. It claims that while Usagi and Minako have anime arcs where they struggle in school, Makoto always excels which is just false. In both the anime and the manga Makoto is shown struggling with school, if I recall correctly more then Minako in the anime.

Makoto like Usagi is relatively average in terms of intelligence and is a pretty fair comparison. There's an argument to suggest that Usagi is smarter then Makoto however I think there's MORE arguments for Makoto being smarter. The argument for Usagi being smarter is that in her doing poorly in school is at least partialy due to her poor study habits rather then intelligence and in the short story "The Melancholy of Makoto", Ami seems more concerned about Makoto getting into High School then Usagi suggesting she thinks Usagi is more likely. That said that short story is written from Makoto's perspective so it's possible she's just noticing Ami lecturing Usagi as much, and Makoto's lack of success in school is also not entirely due to her intelligence but due to her avoidant behavior where when she has to do schoolwork she instead procrastinates by doing cooking and cleaning. 

Conversely there's a few arguments for Makoto being smarter then Usagi. Makoto is shown to be very skilled in horticulture and cooking. This is probably more so talents, knowledge in a particular field, but all else being equal if general intelligence is an average than it may bring her average up. We know that Usagi's first past life was Princess Serenity since the Silver Crystal was entrusted to Queen Serenity but Makoto may have had numerous past lives. Finally the best argument for Makoto being smarter is in Ami's first love, which is from neither of their perspectives there is a gag where Ami is asked what her ideal man is and she answers "Albert Einstein." The senshi, Makoto included, all give a reaction of disbelief save for Usagi who asks "Who's Albert Einstein?" This seems to me to be the most direct comparison of intelligence and it strongly favors Makoto. I should note at one point we see Makoto score a 50 and Usagi score a 35 in Melancholy of Makoto, however this isn't stated specifically to be the same test so it may not indiciate an intelligence comparison, although on a narrative level it does seem that way since the context is Makoto's scores improving a little while Usagi's are not. 

8-7: Rei and Minako

This is not a tie, I will say which one I put higher, but they're SO close I wanted to empathize you could reasonably put either higher. The article in Rei's section only really notes that she's a psychic which relates to her intelligence because it means "she has a good head on her shoulders" and in Minako's section basically says she has a good strategic mind and she's a lot smarter in the manga which supports my thinking is about the manga.

Rei and Minako are thematic opposites and a study in contrast. While Minako does poorly in school, unlike Usagi and Makoto this has absolutely nothing to do with her school being hard and everything to do with Minako being lazy and just not doing the work. Minako is regularly shown as being very tactically clever and good at improvisation often tricking members of the Dark Agency which are fighters of a cutthrough system. Minako archetypally is the gifted child that is an underachiever and she clearly regularly demonstrates that she doesn't want to put in more effort then the minimum.

Rei in contrast is book smart. We don't know how smart Rei is naturally because she's a perfectionist whose always training; body, mind, and soul. She attends an elite private school and given her personality it's likely not because her father wants her too but just to maximize her potential. This level of formal intelligence can be seen when Ami quotes Shakespeare to try and make the others study more and Rei casually responds with a quote from Francis Bacon without even looking up from her book. Rei clearly has a masterful level of formal education for her age; she archetypally is the student who gets elite scores at an elite school not from natural giftedness but purely through hard work.

Comparing the two is difficult because the different means of getting intelligence means they excel in different areas. If the two were to come into a mental confrontation Rei is far likely to make a better plan then Minako but Minako is much likely to adapt and improvise to something unexpected better. I personally would put Minako higher in the short story about them Minako seems to get the edge on Rei more, but that's open to interpretation.

6: Hotaru

Hotaru and Mamoru are the characters the article did the most dirty. The article basically says that it's about Hotaru rather then Sailor Saturn (seemingly misinterpreting how the Saturn spirit works), and that Hotaru is a little girl and "naive." In act 44 we learn about the young Hotaru who has apparently read all the books in Michiru's study already and can quote Vergil, Blake and Einstein from memory including entire poems by Vergil. All this in six months despite her being a toddler at the time. Hotaru's a genius level intellect by adult standards, let alone the standards of her age.

This isn't even going into the psychic level of awareness she has. In the manga, Hotaru's character is supposed to be like the creepy child in a horror movie that knows more then she should. She's got just outright better feats of intelligence then Rei or Minako and also attended Mugen Academy, which was a school comprised of only genius level intellects. Now, in fairness, Mugen was run by Professor Tomoe, her then father at the time, so her getting may not really be due to her intelligence but there's no indication she struggled academically there.

5: Mamoru

As mentioned Mamoru and Hotaru were the characters the article most downplayed. The article goes on a bizarre tangent about how in most series the single male character in a cast of female characters would be the smart one but SM is progressive because he's outranked by the vast majority of the Senshi, mixing is misconceptions that Mamoru is just a distraction in combat. All of these are downright wrong; outside of ecchi series if a series had a singular male character who was the smart one in the last few decades people would immediatly blast it for being sexist. If anything the problem now is the inverse where women are treated as inherently intelligent and men inherently stupid, something which is sexist in its own right and unfair to both sexes, something SM does NOT do but the article seems to think it does.

Going over Mamoru's intelligence; Mamoru goes to a school with a 90 point differential, a school so elite that it's beyond any school in the real world before being accepted to Harvard College on scholarship. Mamoru uses crowd sourcing before the term is thought up in the real world to find the Silver Crystal at a rate more efficient then the Dark Kingdom, a literal magical kingdom of people devoted to finding it. Mamoru not only regularly shows tactical and clever thinking but is also treated as somewhat relative to the Outer Senshi and is probably peak human intelligence at the very least for his age. Comparing him to Hotaru; I think he's probably smarter as Hotaru seems to be roughly genius level intelligence while Mamoru is moreso peak human level.

Again not taking into account King Endymion's intelligence which would be above everyone on this list outside Usagi's future self. 

4: Haruka

The article puts both Haruka and Michiru at 7, below the Guardian Senshi which is pretty off not even taking into the fact that the article does not even try to rank between the two.

The Outer Senshi are introduced as older sister type figures to the Guardian Senshi, more powerful, more experience, more intelligent, and more serious then them. Haruka is a world class racecar driver who easily attends Mugen Academy, an academy for geniuses. She and Michiru were able to decieve Viluy and the other professors of Mugen Academy for an extended period of time, the professors of Mugen Academy being perfect daimon with intelligences a hundred times that of a human and Viluy being able to create type 1 level technology like a holographic simulation of a galaxy and nanobots that can destroy a body entirely. Because of this I think Haruka and Michiru are probably low level superhuman intellects, which puts them above Mamoru's intelligence feats. If you don't think decieiving Viluy should mean they're superhuman in intellect then Mamoru might be above them but they'd still be above Hotaru as they as her parents and intellectual guides who were impressed at her development but never expressed that her intelligence eclipsed them.

3: Michiru

Michiru has virtually the same feats as Haruka but is probably at least a bit smarter. A world class artist AND musician, Michiru is not only talented in numerous regards, she also spends more times in studies having many books in her study.

2: Setsuna

Setsuna's intelligence is praised by King Endymion for she has the intelligence of the ages, living across the ages. Setsuna is known for her incredible wisdom and experience eclipsing the other Outer Senshi by a wide margin. Early on even Ami though her intelligence was no match for her claiming Setsuna was a person who knows everything, Ami being a character capable of tracking someone through dimensions and creating inter-dimensional communicators. 

1: Ami

While early on Setsuna is arguably smarter then Ami, a key part of the early Dream Arc is the Guardian Senshi developing to be able to stand besides the Outer Senshi. Ami even early in the series has type 1 intelligence feats and directly decieving Viluy to her face who outright calls Ami the "genius girl" suggesting that she may view Ami's intelligence as impressive. These are intelligence feats that clearly surpass the feats of everyone else on this list and is before her intellectual development.

During Act 40, we learn of Ami's history. Hre mother is a rationalist workaholic working as a doctor, and her father a flighty artistic type that abandoned them when she was young. With her father's disappearence, it was though her creative and artistic self left with him, mkaing her cling to her intelligence, her rational and scientific side just as she clung to her mother, afraid of her leaving too, afraid that people only valued her for her intelligence and if that ever left she'd be alone. Upon realizing that the reason she studied so hard, why she had trained her intelligence was because of her emotions, her love for her friends, she was able to unite the rational and creative sides of her and unlocked a new level of intelligence for herself putting her as clearly the smartest character on this list....

except the article only puts her at 2. Who do they put as one.


Elephant in the Room Time: Luna and Artemis

So the article puts Luna and Artemis, which I'd struggle to think are main characters in any version, as the smartest, smarter then Ami. 

So I could legit sorta understand if the argument was they make these magical technological items for the Senshi to use. I don't think that argument works because they use magic to make them so the level of intelligence required is pretty unknown but at most they should be 2, probably 3, as in Act 3 Ami was able to creates a plan to use Henshin to teleport to Usagi in another dimension before Luna can despite having no memories of her past life as the time showing directly that she's smarter.

But the article doesn't use that argument, it basically says Luna and Artemis because they act as advisors for the Senshi and have knowledge of Moon Kingdom history. While it's true Luna and Artemis do advise the Senshi early on, and that's something of an intelligence feat, this is less true as the series goes on and knowledge of the Moon Kingdom is not unique to them after the Senshi have their memories awoken.

So how smart are Luna and Artemis and where would they place? Well they do know the ancient language and consequently are able to use Moon Kingdom technology although the intelligence needed to do this are unknown. They can seemingly hack into normal video games to put Senshi items as toys to be won by the Senshi and are smart enough that their advise is helpful to the Senshi early on, with Artemis in particular being relative to an early Minako despite her natural cleverness. I'd probably put them between Makoto and Minako/Rei. Between them, it's sorta implied Artemis is smarter then Luna and is actually her superior in rank which is why Artemis retained his full memory while Luna's memory was partially sealed, but there isn't any big gap between them. 


Wednesday, June 16, 2021

The character of Sheen Estevez

 


Recently I completed watching the cartoon "The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius" and it got me thinking about the character of Sheen Estevez. This is only going to be based on information from the original series as opposed to Planet Sheen; primarily because I have not seen the latter and secondarily because from what I hear it is a poor series whose depiction of Sheen is inconsistent with his original depiction. Watching a random video about JN and you will quickly see a widescale tendency to lump Sheen and Carl as sort of a single unit; an illogical unintellect contrast to Jimmy's genius intellect. However I think Sheen plays a role in the series not acknowledged.

It's quickly apparent after his introductiont that Sheen is abrasive being loud and in-universe at least, annoying. However more details are revealed about Sheen overtime that paint a very clear picture about Sheen. Sheen lives in a single parent household with his father, Mr. Estevez along with his grandmother and mentioned on at least one instance a younger sister whom he had an argument with. Mr. Estevez is an air conditioner repair man who by himself has to essentially keep up a house and food for his family by himself. While I'm not savy to the cultural issues at play here; Mr. Estevez also speaks with a much more pronounced accent then his son does; implying he may be a first generation immigrant. Being an immigrant brings with it's own challenges such as adapting to new culture, lacking local contacts, and perhaps learning a new language. As such it's pretty safe to say Mr. Estevez probably doesn't have a lot of time to spend with his son, something implied by the show before that with how rarely he appears in it compared to Jimmy and Carls' parents and in the one episode strongly featuring him "El Magnifico", he is depicted as busy and wishing he could connect more with his son. 

This is a problem because Sheen definitely requires more attention then most children. Sheen is impulsive, easily distractable, loud, and disruptive; textbook symptoms for ADHD. It's possibly insensitive to just outright say a character has a real mental condition but not only is it quite clear in this case (with it even being mentioned at one point that Sheen takes mediciation), even if it was not the case Sheen would still struggle for similar reasons and require a lot of attention he simply doesn't get. This may go a long way to explaining his attention-seeking personality. Another trait one immediatly learns of Sheen is he is obsessed with the "Ultra Lord" television series. I don't just mean fixiated on it the way a child might normally be. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the series, wrote the Ultra Lord website where he claimed Ultra Lord was the father of his country, and begins bawling at the thought of Ultra Lord being canceled. It's very likely that lacking parental influence in his life Sheen adopted Ultra Lord as a surrogate father figure, something implied in "El Magnifico" when Sheen's father's conflict is trying to show that he is as cool as Ultra Lord.

So while all this explains Sheen's past and motives; it doesn't explain his present. Why is he friends with Jimmy Neutron and what is his role in the series? It's easy to imagine why Sheen might befriend Jimmy and Carl; the three are social outcasts and would likely make friends simply on shared experience. But more then that; Jimmy often gets into superscientific adventures. And in this we start to see Sheen's most admirable quality. Sheen exhibits despite his past tremendous optimism and exhuberance which is likely what attracted him to the superhero genre. As compared to Carl's fearful cynicism and Jimmy's rationalism; Sheen exhibits the idealism that is linked to heroism. Sheen has himself saved the day a few times, and helped Jimmy do so numerous more. This is the kind of thing one might expect of Jimmy; the supergenius, not of a struggling-in-school eccentric geek held back numerous times who has trouble paying attention. For a person like Sheen who is clearly disliked by his teachers (Mrs. Fowl at one claims she misses everyone....except Sheen), who has probably struggled his life just to get attention, this is far beyond what anyone would expect of him. 

In season 3 it is revealed that the Monks of Shangri-La view Sheen as the chosen one. They do this because he "puts his leg behind his head." A silly reason, comical because of the sheer mundane-ness of the action compared to Yoo-Yee being able to fly and defeat many trained warriors. However it is in this mundane-ness that we perhaps see on a meta level what Sheen's role is. Sheen's role in the story is to show the heroism of a normal human; to provide an accessway point into this world of science for the kid whose not a genius, who maybe doesn't even do well in school. In that episode "Crouching Jimmy, Hidden Sheen" we learn not only about Sheen's nature as the chosen one but that he values his relationship with his girlfriend Libby more then even Ultra Lord, which allows him to unlock the fabled Tiger's Eye. And in the episode El Magnifico Sheen reveals he cares for his real father more then Ultra Lord. For a kid who early in the series seemed utterly delusional about Ultra Lord viewing him as a real person who did real major historical events; it is a demonstration of not only his development but the reason he was picked as the Chosen One. Sheen is not Jimmy; he doesn't possesses abilities to make mortal men shudder and weep; if anything he was born lacking, and succeeds mostly through pluck and optimism.

The culimination of this comes in the finale of the entire series where Sheen is the one who befriends Tee begining the sequence of events that defeats the League of Villains. For all Jimmy's intellect; he would have been thrown into space there. He was not the one to save everyone; it was simply the idealistic hope of a young boy who is able to believe in others, maybe someone who wanted to give someone else the chance he never got or maybe someone who just wanted to follow in the heroic footsteps of his idol. Sheen is important to Jimmy Neutron because he is a representation of the fact that you don't need to be born a genius who can invent time travel before you hit puberty to be a hero. All you need is the ability to see the best in a world that might not see the best in you. 

It's funny because it's a meme in JN that Skeets is anime's greatest hero because he is a hardworking everyman just trying to do his job and help clean up the mess that Jimmy and the arrogance of his intellect creates. But what if I told you that character was in the series the whole time? And his name... was Sheen Estevez. 

Sunday, June 13, 2021

Shakespeare-verse Strategy Guide

 


How to be OP in the works of William Shakespeare.

Local Scale Threat:

So the lower tier is for the most part the tier of "mundane" happenings which stick mostly to real world battlefield tactics and weapons within the Renaissance period. The weapons used in the real world are mostly accounted for including the likes of flame and poison on weapons, full plate armor, and armies of men with knights, archers, and siege weapons.

Statwise the tier gets up to wall level. This comes from the attack potency of powerful weapons, goblins and lesser spirits able to take the form of animals, the bear from The Winter's Tale, the monsterous man Caliban, and the scottish Warlord Macbeth being strong enough to cleave men in two. Speed goes up to superhuman scaling from the speed of the animals. 

Macbeth is one of the biggest physical threats in the tier, being skilled enough to beat entire armies of armed men by himself, an A tier skill feat. There are a few other characters that are one men armies; such as Roman general Coriolnaus or the demigod Achilles however neither have the physical feats that Macbeth do. It should be noted that Macduff was able to defeat Macbeth. Some people believe this is because Macbeth was cowered by the witches prophecies coming true, but his words to Macduff strongly suggest he was going to try his greatest regardless suggesting vengeance-motivated Macduff just outright scales to Macbeth.

Macbeth is stated to be unkillable to a man of woman born which may or may not apply in a vs context whether or not you think it only applies to people in-universe but either way it's easy enough to get around. Macduff got around it via being born from C-section but one could use female counters to get around this, which provides the additional benefit that in both strength and intellect the tier is likely to underestimate a character that seems to "just" be a woman, something that actually happens in the plays at a few times. More troublesome is Achilles who is usually stated to be invulnerable, save for his heel, although that doesn't actually appear in Troilus and Cressida, so it possibly doesn't apply here. Hector was able to fight Achilles and was enough of a threat to him that Achilles used stealth to attack him in the play.

Manipulators are very common in the verse with some of the best being Iago who was able to manipulate the moral paragon to Othello into murdering his wife in a jealous rage, Marc Anthony who used a speech that in the real world is considered one of the greatest speeches in the world able to manipulate Rome into an angry mob against people they were cheering for earlier for minutes earlier without every insulting them directly and Richard III who in Shakespeare is essentially a patently evil Bond villain using charisma and genius intellect to devise maniacal plans. There's also really good battlefield strategy, particularly from Henry V who was able to get a downright miraculous victory against the French Forces despite disadvantage in training, numbers, and armament. 

Finally there's various forms of fortune telling and seeing the future, to the point that even normal humans will often dream of events that act as preludes to future events meaning the types of powers that an invader would use would probably be known ahead of time.

So what's a good strategy? The best strategy at first seems to be manipulation. Manipulation is super OP in Shakespeare and manipulators are the real puppetmasters of most plays who cause most of the events. This isn't a flawless strategy as there are a number of really strong manipulaters and intellects in the verse already; but many of the strongest characters in the series are the hot-blooded types most prone to manipulation so having strong manipulation ability plus high end stats for the tier put one in a good position.

The best strategy however is stealth. Even more op then manipulators are invisible characters whenever they show up. Even the weakest urchin suddenly becomes unstoppable in the verse if you can't see them, and even mild stealth seems to go a long way with basic masks able to easily hide one's identity. 

That brings me to my first counter which is


Violet Parr from The Incredibles.

Violet is a superheroine that is a young girl that would easily be overlooked in a combat scenario in verse. Her forcefield projection can destroy velocipods which would give her the attack potency to one-shot any person or group of people in the tier. Her forcefields are strong enough to tank anything in the tier, and given she can react even to her brother Dash who has scaling to lightning-timing, she would easily be able to react to anything in the verse.

She also can go invisible which would give her an unparalled stealth and ability to mess around with basically no counter options. The only real downside is her lack of stamina and childish inexperience. For a character with better stealth and experience you could use


Wasp from the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Wasp's punches technically carry same energy but via size alteration her mass and density are kept the same so each blow has a force of a far higher category able to one-shot the Chitauri and anyone in the verse. She has fast enough flight that paired with her reaction time she can avoid bullets (and her reactions are likely far higher) meaning she can easily react to and avoid any attack from any of the fighters of the verse like a human fighting an actual wasp...if that wasp could punch with enough force to one-shot any person.

Wasp also has massively higher versatility then anyone in this tier as she can command armies of ants, a power of strong mages in Shakespeare, alter the size of things to grow or shrink unlike anything in the verse, and blaster weapons far more advanced then anything that would be known in the verse.

She complements this with being a skilled fighter and experienced superheroine training to become the Wasp in honor of her mother. While not as skilled as the most skilled fighters in the Shakespeare-verse, she would likely be relative to most of the really skilled fighters. However it's possible she could get swarmed by numbers especially if the goblins turn into animals to hunt her ants. For an even better counter to this tier you could use


Kaede Sakura from Kampfer.

Sakura is stronger then early Natsuru who could easily knock a living stuffed animal to the horizon requiring energy in the kilojoules beyond even Macbeth and has fast enough reactions by scaling to react to gunfire making her a top tier physical threat, yet appears to be a completely ordinary cute teenage girl. She is also a master fighter able to take out 3 Kampfer at the same time even fodderizing Shizuku who can cut bullets with her blades suggesting she would be similar if not superior to anyone in the tier via skill.

Sakura uses a gun and a blade as her weapons, which would give her range on most in the tier, and the ability to fight in melee. But her strongest weapon is her hypnosis and her powerful manipulation, strong enough to manipulate 4 girls into becoming her harem without any hypnosis. With this if anyone would be threatening to her she could control them and turn them against the rest of the tier.

However she does have one more unique weakness. Sakura, while she doesn't show it, is a misandrist lesbian who wants to seduce pretty girls to join her harem and so it's possible some of the more manipulative and devious women like Lady Macbeth could charm her in turn and poison her or kill her while she sleeps. Even she can be predicated by fortune tellers as well. 

For the ultimate counter to this tier I would suggest


Athena from Tomorrowland.

Athena is physically strong enough to stop a truck and tear the heads of robots. She's also fast enough to catch up to a truck trying to get away from her. Athena is an immortal robot that seems like a little girl that nobody would suspect that searches time and space for optimistic thinkers for Tommorrowland. 

Athena uses gadgets that nobody in the tier would have any idea what it is or counters like time bubbles that freeze time for things inside and technology to travel between dimensions, or pins that create illusory enviornments around oneself so long as one is in contact with.

Athena is a supergenius intellect that knows the languages of Earth and advanced martial arts from a society with such enhanced technology that it can show the future, manipulate dimensions, and subcounciously brainwash people. She could pretty easily compete with at the very least anyone in the tier in terms of raw intelligence and skill and could manipulate even the greatest manipulators in the verse who would think she's a regular little girl while she knows their true nature with things like x-ray vision and supergenuis intellect. Poison would do nothing to her as a robot and fire is not enough hot to melt her given other Audio-Animatonics were not melted by rocket launch. 

But wouldn't they at least know about her from fortune telling? No actually. Not only is she from outside the spacetime of the normal dimension but having enough optimism in Tommorowland allows you to resist precognition with Casey being able to change the probability of 100% absolute imminent destruction of the Monitor, a Type 3 or 4 civilization's greatest invention, a feat incomprehensibly stronger then any precog feat in Shakespeare, and Athena herself during the climax after seeing tachyons showing her Frank being shot, a vision of the future, intercepted the blast herself to save him.

Also just as a side note; her self-destruction upon death created an explosion that was stated to have required before a kiloton level explosive, an explosive that could kill every named character in the tier at once.


Regional to Planetary Scale Threat:

Beyond the material world, there are supernatural forces that laugh at the folly of man. For it is said "There are more things in Heaven and Earth Horatio. Then are dreamt of in your philosophy." The mind of man is not capable of understand the strange forces underlying the phemenona we know.

At the bottom there are many ghosts, spirits, and lesser fae; often intangible and invisible; these still possess the Ecokinesis; control of nature itself that distinguishes the supernatural powers of the Shakespeare-verse. 

Amount these are Puck, that mischeivous fae Robin Goodfellow who is stated to gird the world in 40 minutes; a casual speed feat of about mach 50. This is consistent with the Airy spirit Ariel who can go to and fro across a big island in two heartbeats and who can outrun lightning. Ariel is made of air, can turn into fire, make people fall asleep, ride clouds, and bring forth the dew from a distant place. Puck is a naughty fairy who is cunning and tricky and can get a love potion from a flower that Cupid shot.

Stronger then these include a mermaid who calmed the sea with her song and made shooting stars fall from the sky. There is the Witch Sycorax who easily bound Ariel within a tree, and witches who caused a powerful storm and foretold the future to Macbeth tricking him to bring chaos to the land.

Outscaling this is the strongest man in Shakespeare, oft theorized to be an analogue for the bard himself; the wizard Prospero. Prospero is an insane magical talent who can create a storm so strong it's like sea and the sky are warring and which is stated to scare Neptune himself. Prospero can not only control the elements, he can summon spirits and goblins, turn himself invisible, raise the dead, seal people in a tree for 12 years or unseal them as he did to Ariel. And these are only his physical powers. 

Mentally he can take command of people, telekinetically strip them of their weapons, send them to sleep and more. He can see the future and make whole illusory banquets to befuddle others. He also can freeze people with a charm and perhaps most impressively that insane storm mentioned earlier he had such fine control of that he kept it from hurting a single hair on the heads of several of the people in it. 

But beyond the ranks of men are forces beyond. While Prospero can compare with most fairies, the fairies are ruled by the fae king Oberon and his queen Titania. Oberon and Titania are fast enough to easily go from India to Greece in the same day and likely similar in speed to Puck, and their power is so great that even their arguing can create a hurricane and was shifting the seasons around across the Earth and affecting the moon, planetoid level power. They also can transmute people into animals and Oberon has shown the ability to see the invisible gods themselves that even Puck couldn't. 

Speaking of them however, stronger then even the fairy lords are the gods themselves; Hecate showing up in Macbeth being stated to grant power to all witches and to be the source of all harms. Jupiter, king of the gods, shows up in Cymbeline entering Posthumus' dream, showing dream manipulation and stated to give favor and fortune, suggesting some level of probability manipulation or control of the world. Neptune is mentioned as lord of the seas in the Tempest and Cupid appears in A Midsummer Night's Dream with his famous love-granting arrows.

And all of this sounds well and dandy doesn't it? But there's one more character that makes this go from a fun challenge to a real struggle. In a Winter's Tale, Time itself shows up, the abstract concept. Time is stated to exist outside the physical realm and causes the decay of all, speeding up time for the audience so that the play can progress a few years acting as a living speaking timeskip. This is very plausibly metafictional time manipulation. Fighting a conceptual is obviously very difficult at this tier.

So how to fight this tier? Shakespeare was most vaunted for his ability to perfectly capture the human condition and the human psyche, and even his supernatural forces show this level of humanity. They are bound to their human emotions. Oberon and Titania are proud and jealous, the gods have their mythological follies as canonical to them, Prospero is torn throughout the Tempest until the end (where he relinquishes his magic) between his desire to get vengeance and the need to forgive to move on. Emotional manipulation is very strong. Prospero also has the weakness that if his spellbooks are destroyed he loses his magic, as do all magic-users. 

Other weaknesses of the verse. Anti-magic powers are brokenly strong against most of the tier; and sealing absolutely messes up most spirits and fae. The tier relies a lot on ecokinesis, control of the natural world and people with powers from higher planes or unnatural sources can likely get around most of the tier's manipulations. Finally pretty much everyone on this tier is used to just lording their power over the lesser races; with people like Oberon and Titania clearly not used to fighting against someone of their own power in their confrontations. Combat skill is lacking in this tier. 

Well the first counter I would suggest is


Pinhead from Hellraiser.

Pinhead's power is enough to grow to planet-scale size and can fight Satan who can destroy small planets, which would give him a power and speed advantage over the tier. Pinhead is an entities from a godlike entity outside the dimension, whose powers are unnatural.

Pinhead is a Cenobite, a race of hyper-logical supergenius hedonists who can perfectly empathize with hedonists like the fae yet also have the intellect to easily manipulate them and trick or trap them. He has far more versatile reality-warping and can create illusions that would put Prospero's to shame.

Pinhead has the ability to sense the sins of others and with that would know exactly to use the vices of the tier against them or otherwise out manuever them. And if they would ever launch an attack that would threaten him he can just teleport away or remove their memories he was even there from well outside their range. It would be hard to hurt him anyway as he is made of pure energy and can't be hurt conventionally basically requiring hax to hit. Except Pinhead is completely immune to magic which is all the attacks in the verse save for the gods.

But what about Time? While Pinhead doesn't have direct conceptual attacks, Time in Shakespeare is a humanlike entity that is directly time's flow and Pinhead would be able to sense via sin-reading and mentally torture via repeated time freezing. Time could try to counter attack but time can only age things and Pinhead is an unaging immortal demon-like entity unaffected by time.

Still you might think the inability to directly hit time means this shouldn't be used as a counter. For a character that definitely could you could use


Pictonians from Hetalia: Axis Powers

Pictonians have reactions relative to the countries which are anthromorphic concepts capable of reacting to the Pictonians lightspeed attack, meaning they should easily be able to react to the tier.

Pictonians shoot a lightspeed beam from their foreheads that remove the color from objects and turn them into white blank and inanimate landscapes, able to cover entire nations and even affect concepts like the nations turning them into Pictonians. 

Pictonians could fire at the verse from space messing up any attack to counterattack. While this should work, if a god or fairy lord hits them, their country level durability will not only hold up, as they are physically only around the level of a mermaid. They also are trying to find something that brings them joy and it's very likely Puck could entertain and decieve them with song and dance while a high tier hits them while distracted. For a more focused tier you could use


Dante Alighieri from Dante's Inferno.

Dante was able to overpower Lucifer who could shake the world and leave it a desert putting him at similar, if not quite as strong as the fairy lords. He's also fast enough to match the Devil who quickly almost flew out of Hell, across 9 layers of horizons calced at 4-digit mach speed, far beyond anyone in the Shakespeare-verse.

Dante can blitz the verse using the cross to absolve the verse by targeting their sins and sending them to Heaven or using Death's Scythe to damn them. Death's Scythe is able to cut not just space itself but to kill concepts like Death meaning it could even hit Time. 

Dante's powers are not part of nature; they are formed from exreme holiness, unholiness, and his sheer will to redeem himself bolstering his astral nature. His unholy powers might be manipulate-able by Hecate who is the source of all harms but his holy powers are unlikely anything in the verse.

Dante's ultimate power is a form of sealing where the souls he absolved him seal enemies in ice, even the Devil which would work on almost anyone in the tier. While Dante is not as smart as some of the characters in this tier, his drive to be redeemed is a supernatural force that bolsters him and allowed him to resist even the manipulation of the Devil himself. And he's far more skilled, able to defeat fighters that have done nothing but fight in hell for centuries, if not millennia.

The only threat to Dante in the Shakespeare-verse is Prospero using his magic to disarm him of the cross and scythe. However even if he did that, Dante could still possibly beat him via using the souls within him to seal Prospero away. While Prospero also has sealing he has never shown the ability to seal away so many spirits at once, and Dante could physically attack him while he's distracted or send a stray spirit to destroy Prospero's spellbooks.

That said this does mean that if Dante gets swarmed by the tier, they could beat him. For the absolute best counter to this tier in my opinion you should use


Pavo Mayura from Saint Seiya.

Pavo Mayura is considered the strongest character that has is below the seventh sense users in Saint Seiya being far above most Silver Saint level entities. Because of this she is likely signifigantly stronger then the nameless Saint Initiate who turned a nuclear power plant into a planetary threat, a feat putting her in the same range as the high tiers of this tier. In terms of speed, even without burning her cosmo, she is capable of traveling at lightning making her one of the high tiers in terms of speed.

Pavo Mayura is accomplished in cosmo giving her control of atoms, making it impossible for her powers to be controlled by the tier whose ecokinesis never reaches down into the atomic range. Pavo Mayura is known for her incredible psychic powers, able to teleport and telekinetically control people. She could easily use this along with her incredible skill, great enough that she has great recognition among the supernaturally skilled saints to easily get around most attacks of the tier and out-think them.

Mayura is a saint known for her calmness and her great degree of wisdom. It's likely she would instantly recognize her opponents nature and use the sealing technique she used on Shoko where one's sins come to consume one; which for beings like Oberon and Titania who have spent their immoral fae lives decieving and lording over mortals, stealing children to be their slaves, would absolutely destroy them. In fact it's unlikely anyone on this tier would be able to tank this attack. Better then conventional emotional manipulation, this is an attack on a spiritual level attacking one via one's evils. However Mayura could also just manipulate much of the verse appearing as a blind frail woman and using her great wisdom and calm demeanor to get her way. 

But what about Time? Cosmo users are capable of attacking the Dryads of Eris which are the sins of humanity showing that Mayura would be able to hit conceptual entities. 

Really almost every ability that this verse has, Mayura has the perfect counter. Telekinetic disarming? Mayura, like all the Saints, don't use weapons. Illusions? Mayura does not use her sight, relies on the psychic wisdom of the sixth sense as a superior sense to see. Sealing? Mayura can undo seals due to her purity of spirit. Time manipulation? Anyone with cosmo can resist universal scale time freezing. Even if they all rushed her, Mayura can use her Brilliant Wings Heaven Dance to create a cosmo wind to blow away them all at once with psychic energy.

Born to don the Peacock Constellation Cloth, Mayura represents the elegant peacock tail's many eyes, seeing all in her great wisdom and judgement. In this verse of humanoid supernatural forces she would see the vulnerabilities of their hearts and use wisdom of Heaven and Earth to counter each vulnerability appropriately.



And that's how to be OP in the Shakespeare-verse. 

Thursday, June 10, 2021

How they compare: Tezcatlipoca (Aztec Mythology)

Before spacetime, after it, above it and below it was the Teotl, the all encompassing one Ometeotl encompassing all dualities. The male and female aspects of Ometeotl had 4 children; strongest of them was Tezcatlipoca. These beings of pure Teotl, the great energy permeating and making up the cosmos sought to make a world to rule over, however when the world was formed they bickered and squabbled who should rule over this world, their conflicts bringing about the destruction of four worlds before their current.

Of these the two who were in conflict most intensely were Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca. These two have struggled and come into conflict since time began. While Quetzalcoatl is arguably the nicer of the two to humanity, neither is truly good nor evil, as they two form a neccesary balance for the cosmos. Tezcatlipoca possesses himself many admirable qualities; such as being the punisher of any who would mistreat their slaves.



Tezcatlipoca is one of the Teotl, comprised of sacred energy existing before space and time, with any physical body he inhabits being merely a temporary form he has taken. The ways of the Teotl may seem strange to humanity as they are not in the strictest sence "distinct" from each other but are instead aspects of each other such that Quetzalcoatl is referred to as the White Tezcatlipoca and Tezcatlipoca is the Black Quetzalcoatl. Likewise to destroy a being of Teotl conventionally is impossible just as it is impossible to destory energy; one will instead simply shift their form from one to another. When Teotl were burned in flames, they simply became new Teotl.

In terms of power Tezcatlipoca should easily scale to star level. Even the very humble Teotl Nanahuatzin was able to become the new Sun when he threw himself into the flames. Tezcatlipoca may be even stronger as he is indentified as the Jaguar constellation comprised of 14 stars and is stronger then his brother Huitzilapochtli, identified as the weakest of the four children of Ometeotl killed 400 lesser Teotl turning them into 400 stars. There's also an argument that Tezcatlipoca is actually universal as he and all Teotl are at one with Ometeotl who is the all encompassing teotl of all existence, encompassing all dualities and the cosmos itself transcending spacetime, but this seems to me be moreso a case of Tezcatlipoca simply being an aspect of a greater entity in the same way that for instance every Darkseid Emanation is technically Darkseid, but one doesn't scale from the latter to the former.

In terms of speed, Tezcatlipoca should pretty easily scale to at least FTL as at the end of one of the worlds controlled by Quetzalcoatl it is said he turned into a giant jaguar and quickly ate almost every person, the few not consumed becoming monkeys. To quickly travel around the world eating most of the human populace is needless to state, quite FTL. It is also known that the Teotl can quickly travel the path created for them by Omeotl's male and female aspects, the milky way. To travel across the Milky Way in less then an hour would require a speed billions of times the speed of light. Regardless speed may not be very important to the Teotl, or at the very least the 4 Gods; Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilapochtli, Tlaloc, and Tezcatlipoca as they existed before spacetime.


Tezcatlipoca like all the Teotl shifted forms easily, most often taking the form of a large Jaguar. He was also viewed as lord of jaguars and could command them. Even in physical form however Teotl seem resistant to harm with the Teotl not being much weakened from having their hearts removed and Tezcatlipoca seemingly unbothered by using his leg as bait for the primordial sea monster Cipactli or bothered after when she ate it. He was viewed as lord of all things ethereal; the wind, the mist, the smoke, the night. He could become the night itself, and make wind (even hurricanes); mist or smoke come before him. In his form of the night he seems to have become a spiritual entitiy, identified as the spirit of the night, the lord of things which are nigh and is identified as he who changes things through conflict suggesting some level of control of battle.

Tezcatlipoca was considered a lord of fortune seeming to demonstrate some level of fate manipulation for he was the one who could grant one fortune and rulerships. For this he is known as Tlalticpaque, possessor of the sky and earth. He was able to stir forth both conflict and magic and so is the granter of sorcery and triumph in battle. 

Tezcatlipoca also wields an obsidian weapon and a smoking mirror, for which is most known. This mirror gives him knowledge of the future, of distant events, and of what lies in the minds of others. This is how he grants prophecy to his followers.

Tezcatlipoca's final weapon is his mind however. Tezcatlipoca is a trickster god known for being very cunning and manipulative. He eventually even defeated his rival Quetzalcoatl, if temporarily, via cunning. Tezcatlipoca inebriated Quetzalcoatl and manipulated him into incest with his sister, the chaste priestess Quetzalpetlatl. For this shame Quetzalcoatl left to the east for his quest of penance, and when he returns the two shall conflict again. This is likely even more impressive then it seems as Quetzalcoatl is the Teotl of knowledge and learning so to decieve him is likely a very good intelligence feat. 

In terms of weaknesses, Tezcatlipoca is never noted as having any particular weaknesses within the mythology, however there is a sort of natural consequence that being made of energy means hypothetically energy manipulation should allow one direct manipulation of his being. 


Name: Tezcatlipoca, many epithets
Origin: Aztec Mythology
Powers and Abilities: Made of holy energy, Shapeshifting (Can turn into a humanoid, a large jaguar, the night, and the spirit of darkness), superhuman endurance, exists outside spacetime, manipulation of wind, darkness, smoke, and mist. Can induce conflict and chaos. Can give visions of the future. Precognition, Clairvoyance, and Mind-Reading (with Mirror), possible fate manipulation, Creation and possibly Reality-Warping (aided in creating the world)
Weakness: Hypothetically energy manipulation
Destructive Capacity: At least star level, likely large stellar, possibly universal
Range: At least planet, likely inter-stellar
Speed: Likely MFTL (billions of times the speed of light)
Durability: At least star level, likely large stellar, possibly universal
Stamina: Infinite (outside of time)
Standard Equipment: Obsidian Weapon, Mirror
Intelligence: Genius manipulator (was able to decieve and manipulation Quetzalcoatl, the Teotl of learning and knowledge)

So how well would he do in other verses?


In DC, Tezcatlipoca would....basically fit right in as the Emanation of the Tezcatlipoca of the Sphere of the Gods, either in the Post-Crisis or New 52 period. While slower, particular for the former, it doesn't really matter due to him existing outside spacetime. Tezcatlipoca would do pretty well but not much greater then one would suspect, being about as strong as a Wonder Woman or Shazam villain. I know this because Wonder Woman literally fought Tezcatlipoca and stat and power wise it was basically identical to mythology Tezcatlipoca. 


In Marvel Comics, Tezcatlipoca would fit pretty well in on the lower herald range given even beginning Heralds can easily travel galactic distances and can reignite stars. While he would be around that level physically, a Herald is a really bad matchup for Tezcatlipoca as they have really good feats of energy manipulation and sensing, and he can't even use his mind-reading on them as their minds become part of the Power Cosmic.

If he was on Earth, he would do a lot better even against characters that hypothetically would be able to beat him. Tezcatlipoca's greatest ability is his ability to stir up strife and chaos, both literally with powers and via manipulation and deception and in any universe that isn't super idealistic, he would be a much larger stealth threat. It would be perfectly possible if he was in Marvel to be revealed as the one granting Ulysses his visions causing Civil War II.


In Saint Seiya Tezcatlipoca would be stronger then people first awakening the Seventh Sense who can destroy stars and low tier seventh sense users like the witch Hecate who traveled at millions of times c, though this is a hard limit for him as the Gold Saints and similar tier entities would absolutely destroy. 

He would actually have a fairly interesting fight with most SS characters first awakening seventh sense, as they have the power of miracles which can probably kill him but he's likely too durable for it to easily work and he's more versatile then them. It's also very likely he could take a manipulator role and give visions or induce chaos to try and create a chaos like the Sanctuary Arc.


In the Disney Hercules-verse Tezcatlipoca would be an immediate top tier. He has power similar or superior to Zeus himself who could rearrange many stars in the night sky and his speed is even superior as their speed was "only" millions c while Tezcatlipoca's is likely billions. It's also notable that the verse is full of characters that are seeming more easy to manipulate and don't have nearly as advanced hax. However if he tried to solo the verse directly Hercules and Zeus might be able to stop him as Hercules by end of movie is a "true hero" and would likely prove hard to manipulate as Quetzalcoatl was. Tezcatlipoca could probably do it, but it would take time. 

Meanwhile Zeus probably has the ability to seal him away as he did the titans. As Zeus used energy sealing it's likely this sealing would work like physical sealing to Tezcatlipoca, and given Zeus used it on numerous entities as strong as him it would likely work. Gods in the Hercules-verse are also resistance to fate manipulation as the Fates couldn't cut Hercules' thread after he attained godhood meaning Tezcatlipoca couldn't win with fate manipulation. Tezcalipoca would likely be a good fight for the verse.


In Greek Mythology Tezcatlipoca would have a very interesting place. He's stronger then most of the lesser Theoi who even though they can turn humans to stars are not as strong as turning 400 people into stars. That said he's massively weaker then most Olympians whose fights can distort boundless infinite sized primordial entities. He's also massively faster then anyone in the verse as most of Greek Myth lacks speed feats beyond massively hypersonic to relativistic making him a speedster for the top tiers. This gives him actually a very good analogy; he would have the same stats as Hermes.

Hermes is much stronger then lesser Theoi but weaker then the other Olympians but is a speedster that can give everyone in the world dreams and carry their souls down to the Underworld similar to Tezcatlipoca's feat of eating people across the world. In fact the more one thinks about it; Hermes vs Tezcatlipoca is honestly a really hype match.

Tezcatlipoca is not abstract like Hermes but he does have fate manipulation, one of the most broken powers in Greek Myth. Hermes was able to outwit the god Apollo, God of prophecy and learning similar to Tezcatlipoca's feat of outwitting Quetzalcoatl. The two fast trickster gods, lords of the wind, lord of jaguars vs lord of snakes (Hermes, was a god of snakes like....Quetzalcoatl coincedentially), this is a battle that would actually be really hype.