Sunday, June 27, 2021

How they compare: The Throne of Yord (Shamanic Princess)

 


Before the world there was a truer existence, the Throne of Yord. Attempting to alleviate its loneliness and understand the strange sensation of "otherness" that it knew would relieve it's loneliness it caused the worlds to be formed, allowing it to be lulled into a deep sleep to understand this world in it's dreams.

The dormant self of the Throne of Yord was discovered by the world of sorcerers, Guardian World. Not fully understanding it but knowing it's existence was crucial to the maintence of the world and magic, set out to keep it a sleep and contented, and created a hierarchy dedicated to protecting it and keeping it from being taken. While their efforts were admirable, nothing could prevent the Demiurge's attempt to understand the world.


The Throne of Yord's raw power is beyond compare to anything else in the Shamanic Princess-verse. It's power was neccesary to maintain the human world and the guardian world. It is not made clear whether that these mean planets or universes and while logically maintaining worlds in differnet dimensions and existing without concept of "other" suggests things on the universal sense, even at a conservative estimate the Throne of Yord is casually 2x planetary for maintaining worlds. It is also stated that the Throne of Yord is the origin of all power, which could likely include the great cosmic events like supernova, black hole formations and even the birth or death of universes.

Speed is seemingly mostly irrelevant to Throne of Yord as the Throne of Yord does not exist in a particular place, even if the sorcerers of guardian world attempted to make it so, and the versions of it appearing in dreams are the same entity as it's physical self, showing it is at least a mental plane being, and likely far greater form of existence as it predates living beings whatsoever. For a more conservative speed estimate, as part of it's nature as being at one with everything, the Throne of Yord would be at one with the fastest cosmic phenomena such as the propogation of photons at c through a vacuum. 


By far the Throne of Yord's strongest power is something so strong that it arguably makes it the strongest magical girl character though some in the genre can defeat it via exploiting it's weaknesses. The Throne of Yord is a transdual entity, meaning it transcends the concept of "duality" or "two-ness." Things like "alive or dead" "truth or falsehood" or "real or dream" do not apply to the Throne of Yord. There is no seperate thing from Yord, for that is a twoness that does not apply, it is at one with all. To fight the Throne of Yord thus is indistinguishable from battling all of reality including oneself. To kill it, erase it, or otherwise render it inert is conventionally impossible as such are concepts that it exists beyond.

Beyond that the Throne of Yord does have other abilities although none so impressive. It is stated to be the origin of all power and all magic, meaning it should easily scale to every ability in the verse, only made more evident by its ability to "become" anyone; either a duplicate, or literally to inhabit that being as it does to Sara, not possessing them, but simply being them as it is at one with all things. 

Every sorcerer in the series has the ability to travel between guardian world to the human world, likely an inter-dimensional movement feat, with the Throne of Yord able to create city-sized portals between worlds. Sorcerers have shown time manipulation, able to freeze time on at least a city-sized scale, and tank it without affect. Sorcerers also can summon intangible monsters to fight for them and are implied to be able to create souls as when Graham was brought to the Guardian World, he was stated to not have a soul yet.

The Throne of Yord should be able to replicate the magic of the Neutralizers who can nullify magic and worked together to keep the Throne of Yord's power dormant. The Throne of Yord directly showed brainwashing and at one point it's stated it was the one who sent the servant races to the Guardian World, though the method is unknown. The Throne of Yord also has general purpose reality-warping creating a stony fortress, warping it into a forest dimension and back, and creating all power and magic.

The Throne of Yord has also showed numerous more minor points including darkness manipulation and creating dark lightning that it could use to move people as well as forging weapons of darkness and levitation. It also mentions at one point that its will is the same as fate, though it's unclear whether this is just a way of saying it controls everything or its will is literally fate.

The Throne of Yord is cosmically intelligent, with Tiara describing its intelligence as "knowing all", a thing to expect given it's transduality though knowing all is not the same as understanding all for even with all the intelligence of being, it couldn't reconcile itself with otherness.

In terms of weaknesses, the Throne of Yord has a few. The Throne of Yord's power can be nullified which was how the Guardians attempted to keep it dormant, though it's made clear this was moreso because it allowed them too. Furthermore, any enlightened being, a being with full awareness of reality, can forcibly merge with and defeat the Throne of Yord. Tiara did this by coming to awareness that dualities are false dichotomies, fractured perspectives of a single underlying reality just as a marble falling into water and it's reflecting falling the opposite way are in fact the same phenomena. However, it is also implied that this was only possible because the Throne of Yord allowed it, with all the events of the series being its manipulation to resolve its loneliness. Both of these weaknesses arive from the psychological weakness of the Throne of Yord; it does not care about winning a fight, it merely wishes to find an existence outside its' own, so overwhelmed with the sense of loneliness is it. It is made clear that the Throne of Yord could have crushed Tiara at any time, but it was not trying to kill her, it was trying to understand from her. Unless bloodlusted it will probably not try to kill an enemy with its full power, but instead adopt similar tactics of trying to mimic it or inhabit it's dreams to try to understand.


Name: The Throne of Yord
Origin: Shamanic Princess
Powers and Abilities: Transduality, Higher Plane Existence, Creation, Reality-Warping, Inter-dimensional and planar movement, Duplication, Power/Body Mimicry, Power Nullification, Summoning, Time Freezing, Darkness and Lightning Manipulation, Levitation, Likely Soul Manipulation, Possibly Fate Manipulation, Resistance to Time Manipulation
Weaknesses: Fixiated on understanding others instead of winning, Power Nullification, Enlightened Enemies
Destructive Capacity: At least planet level, possibly far higher
Range: Planetary+ and Inter-Dimensional
Speed: At least Lightspeed, possibly far higher, exists in multiple places and planes of being at once
Durability: Inapplicable, transcends life/death, truth/false, or real/dream and so can not be conventionally killed or erased
Stamina: Likely Inapplicable
Standard Equipment: Nothing notable
Intelligence: Is said to know all


So how well would the Throne of Yord do in other verses?


In the Marvel Universe, the Throne of Yord would only be at about the level of the High Metas in terms of power using a conservative estimate of its feats as they have feats of things like the Thing reversing a machine that would going to destroy the Earth and light-timing feats. That said its transduality means it would hit far outside its power range.

There are plenty of beings in the verse that use their psychic powers to communicate with the Throne of Yord in their dreams and while such could gather information it would likely be quickly forbidden for being risky without much benefit as it could kill them there without much ability to affect it. 

There are enlightened beings who would very clearly be able to stop it including the Ancient One, mentor of Dr. Strange, and Contemplator one of the Elders of the universe. Arguably Gwenpool could possibly beat the Throne of Yord having awoken to her nature as a comic book character, and Mister Fantastic may be able to beat it by nullifying its power via the Ultimate Nullifier. That said while there are entities in the verse that can beat it, it would likely be an immense immediate threat due to the scarcity of such beings and its ability to mimic powers and inhabit beings. It would take up to the cosmic cube level entities that you get to a tier comfortably outside the reach of the Throne of Yord due to how common enlightenment and power nullification is. 


In the DC Universe, the Throne of Yord would be far below planetary guardians or villains having power only relative to a teenage kryptonian and speed even below that. That said similar to Marvel, due to his transduality and power mimicry he would be an immense threat far beyond his power tier, being essentially able to pull Amazo's strategy on mega steriods.

I think DC is arguably more equipped to fight the Throne of Yord as there seems to be more enlightened entities, as DC has more psychological/spiritual based powers as opposed to the more sci-fi approach of Marvel. Most of the people highly connected to the elemental realms, or the green, red, or clear can likely stop the Throne of Yord. Aquaman can use his connection to the clear to defeat the Throne of Yord, and Swamp Thing and Animal Man have both shown enlightenment through connection to the green and the red with Animal Man even coming to awareness of his metafictional nature and manipulating it. Superman has also been implied to have attained enlightenment due to his training in Torquasm Vo and his natural moral goodness and super senses which allow him to understand reality on its deepest level. 

DC also has the weakest characters I know I think could win via exploiting the Throne of Yord's enlightenment weakness. Harley Quinn could potentially do it as she is aware of her nature as a fictional being even reading what will happen in future issues and restoring the DC multiverse by making a story and using the metafictional nature of hypertime. The Joker also could likely do it for similar reasons, being aware of his fictional nature and able to physically turn the pages of the book he's in, although the Joker merging with the Throne of Yord is a horrific idea to contemplate.


In the Princess Tutu-verse, the Throne of Yord would quickly threaten to solo it easily, being orders of magnitude more powerful and faster then anything in the verse. That said if it messed around there are 2 people that could fight it.

Drosselmeyer is a ghost with metafictional powers and is implied to be able to be enlightened. Hypothetically he could beat the Throne of Yord however he's bound by his own character weakness to pursue as tragic a story as possible, and would likely try to exploit the Throne of Yord's suffering in solitude for artistic reasons, and if the two are messing around I think it's far more likely the Throne of Yord will get bored and just kill Drosselmeyer first as it's far less patient, has interdimensional inter-planar abilities and ability to affect souls, and far greater power.

However Fakir in awakening to his own storyteller powers also reached enlightenment and is a far more serious dedicated person, devoted to protecting his loved ones, and it's likely he could save the verse from the Throne of Yord, especially if the Throne of Yord is distracted by Princess Tutu, the embodiment of hope, something he has never felt.


In the Puella Magi-verse, the Throne of Yord would fit weirdly powerwise as everyone in the verse is either much stronger or much weaker in power to my recollection, stronger then moon level entities then Max Power Walpurgisnacht who can stop the rotation of the Earth but far weaker then the Madoka Robot who was relative in sizes to Gas Giants.

It's a bit unclear who in the Puella Magi-verse would be classified as "enlightened" though presumably at least the top tiers of the verse are being able to see all, which presumably would quality for reaching full awareness, although even ignoring that the Incubators should hypothetically be able to trap it the Isolation Zone as they planned to do to Kami Madoka, something similar to what the Neutralizers did to the Throne of Yord only millions to billions of years more advanced in magitech capability. Likewise, Homura should be able to stop it via power-stealing even in her Puella Magi state if it's not bloodlusted and in her Akuma form if it is.

Her vs the Mutated Wraith from the Wraith Arc would be interesting depending on whether you think the Wraith would be able to mimic transduality as both would hypothetically mimic and absorb all the abilities of the other. Hypothetically the Throne of Yord should win unless it messes around long enough for the Wraith to defeat it via similar mechanisms as Homura or the Incubators.


In the Lovecraft Mythos, the Throne of Yord would be most comparable in stature to one of the Great Old Ones, having more power then the likes of Cthulhu but having worse speed feats. It's arguable whether a Great Old One could defeat the Throne of Yord as they can telepathically know all happening in the universe however such is also true of the Throne and is not the same as Enlightenment as it is not seeing the deeper layers of reality with Cthulhu for instance only spying those outside space and time dimly. 

Supplementary material in the Cthulhu Mythos has the Buddha being a human who attained Enlightenment and reaching the layer of the lowest Outer Gods, suggesting that is about the level needed to destroy the Throne of Yord (unless power null is used), although the beings between the Great Old Ones and the Outer Gods like the Elder Gods are probably also outside the Throne of Yord's ability to affect.

As the Demiurge, the Throne of Yord would actually fit quite comfortably within the Lovecraft Mythos, the progenitor of the reality of material existence that the Star-Spawned traveled to from a deeper more fundamental noncorporeal reality, sleeping in the way of the Great Old Ones and Azathoth the great dreamer, giving to the material worlds it's substance as Azathoth gives to the cosmos their frail laws. The Throne of Yord is thus formed of the archetype of Azathoth in the same way as all scientists and sorcerers formed from the archetype of Yog-Sothoth. Thus overall the Throne of Yord would be to the physical universe what Azathoth is to the whole of the cosmos. 


In the Touhou Project-verse, the Throne of Yord would not be very strong in raw power only really being above low tiers in power, but despite the verse's complex esoteric powers, the Throne of Yord would be quite dangerous to many in the verse, due to its ability to mimic powers and difficulty to be affected. 

While the great sages or the Shrine Maiden Reimu would be able to defeat it via their enlightenment and powerful abilities most of the verse would have to be lucky with magical containment spheres to beat it. However the verse does have another counter to it; that being Koishi. 

For all it's awareness and power extending to all things in the cosmos, the Throne of Yord does have memories and does have to notice things and Koishi is a Satori who closed her 3rd eye seperating her from the universe, making her impossible to notice or detect. This means even being at one with all things in the universe does not mean the Throne of Yord would be able to notice her. Beyond this Koishi is not just enlightened, she is said by a Buddhist Saint to embody enlightenment itself, meaning she would not just be able to beat the Throne of Yord, her present would literally allow anyone else she deems to be able to defeat it. Koishi is actually the perfect counter to the Throne of Yord.

2 comments:

  1. Amazingly done as always Imp chan, Longer blog than normal and it was certainly deserved for a character as infamous as this. The Throne of Yord is an Insane Entity to come across in general verses, Its a broken transcendental entity that feels like it came right out of lovecraft. I like that given how Shamanic Princess is a pretty obscure series compared to a lot of Magical Girls, in general verses it really is like a eldritch god like entity waiting to be discovered. Its Transdualism is INSANE, easily enough to carry it far higher in the verses you compared it to than some of the more physically powerful MG could have possibly done. However its unique set of weaknesses made for some hilarious comparisons in My eyes, like how in DC Comics Yord could cause a Crisis level event, or be defeated by Harley :P
    The spread of other series you compared him too were really interesting, Like how we saw him go up against the other broken low tier MG villain, Drosselmyer and win, yet be beaten by the most badass ballet dancer ever, Falkir! Madoka was also a great comparison as this Wraith entity was MASSIVELY broken to me and I had never even considered something could go blow to blow with hax like that. But yeah, you know my favorite was Touhou! That was Goddamn incredible, not just how you spouted knowledge on the complicated franchise but how much you showed that Koishi chan would shine through. I knew she would be able to beat Yord with her enlightenment, but you pointed out what even I didn't think of, she could allow pretty much anyone to beat it! that is Badass and I'm sure shed wanna give you a big hug for this. I had so much fun with this Imp, Great work and I look forward to your next one!

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  2. Cool blog! I enjoy seeing you write about eldritch entities like this. I like the Throne of Yord’s general story of being a lonely being who created the worlds just to have a sense of otherness. His strengths and weaknesses really does make him seem like a good choice for a how they compare blog, with his transduality and yet having a weakness to enlightened people. It’s interesting to think about fourth wall awareness being a form of enlightenment in this case, which really gave some unlikely counters in some of these verses. I think Princess Tutu was my favorite comparison out of these, especially with the potential scenario with the Throne and Drosselmeyer.

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