Tuesday, December 26, 2017

Some Sailor Moon Scaling Questions

Just noticed some general questions about who scales to what in Sailor Moon and wanted to give my opinion given my love for the series

1: Kunzite scaling

So one thing I have seen in a few places is that scaling to Kunzite's Shield briefly blocking Princess Serenity's power is an outlier for Kunzite. I can see why people think that, however I disagree and I'll explain why:

Kunzite is only the villain for 3 chapters and in only 2 was he around Princess Serenity or Fully Awoken Sailor Moon yet in that time he is consistently shown to be a threat to her. Even after seeing Princess Serenity's powers (and bear in mind Princess Serenity tanked the epicenter of her silver crystal energy) Kunzite was confident in his ability to kill them. Sailor Jupiter and Sailor Venus were under the impression AFTER Serenity awoke and they had gotten their full power that they couldn't defeat Kunzite and it wasn't till a chapter later when the 4 Guardian Senshi combined their powers in space that they were able too. You can also see Kunzite actually launched an attack on Jupiter and Venus there and it was effective and he do does so as well the page before that. Recall that without getting any more powerful the Guardian Senshi Barrier was strong enough to stop Dark Prince Endymion who could also threaten a Post-Serenity Moon.

It seems pretty consistent that Kunzite is a Serenity level threat and should scale pretty easily,

2: Danburite and Heavenly Kings Scaling

It's sort of an assumption that the Senshi got MUCH stronger after their memories were awoken, however it does seem slightly strange that Kunzite is THAT much stronger then the other Heavenly Kings. While we assume Jadeite, Nephrite, Zoisite and the Partially Awoken Senshi are much weaker then Kunzite, Serenity, and the Fully Awoken Senshi there isn't much evidence of the senshi getting much stronger after having their memories awoken and if anything there is slight evidence to the contrary. In the last chapter of Codename: Sailor V, Minako as Sailor V finally awakes as Sailor Venus, yelling in despair as the horrible memories stream in. Yet AFTER this Danburite, the leader of the Dark Agency seems strong enough that she at least needs to block his attack and take it seriously.

Danburite is a mere servant of Kunzite and almost certainly shouldn't be as strong as the actual Heavenly Kings.

At the end however I can't say this scaling definitely should be, there is a certain level of appeal to incredulity there ("I can't believe a mere servant of Kunzite would be stronger then the other Heavenly Kings so he can't be) but still it is an argument that I think is at least worth some consideration considering how little evidence there is the Senshi got THAT much more powerful, or even more powerful at all post-memory restoration.

3: Second Arc Scaling

It is REALLY hard to compare the high to top tiers of the first arc with the low to mid tiers of the second arc because there is just so little basis for comparison. Sailor Moon and the Guardian Senshi all get stronger to an unknown degree, and there is almost no neutral elements for comparisons (although everyone in the second should be strong as anything given that even basic droids can stand on Planet Nemesis with it's insane gravity and stuff).

The best argument I've heard for how to scale between them is also one of the most radical powerwise. At the end of the first arc Usagi is crowned moon queen and uses her powers in civilian form. 1 2 The argument then is that civilian form Usagi can access all her old powers and thus Black Moon Arc Civilian Usagi = End of Dark Kingdom Arc Sailor Moon transformed. Thus the brooch that the spirit of Queen Serenity makes for her daughter gives her power well beyond First Arc Sailor Moon and scaling to Second Arc Civilian Form Usagi puts one above...EVERYONE from the first arc save for Queen Serenity and Peak Metalia during the Silver Milennium.

Might sound like a stretch but in fairness Second Arc Civilian Usagi walked around on Nemesis' surface and just was tired so it's not like Civilian Usagi by that point wasn't crazy strong. Also it's the best evidence I can think off.

If it is true then everyone easily scales to her civilian state.

4: Super Sailor Moon vs Base Sailor Saturn

This is mostly academic as both scale to the same feats regardless, that of Pharaoh 90. Who has more power between Super Sailor Moon and Base Sailor Saturn is...tricky. I know the common argument for Saturn is Saturn harmed Pharaoh 90 while Super Moon couldn't even put down Mistress 9, however that was more the energy-absorption of Mistress 9 and Pharaoh 90. In terms of just raw energy Super Moon was clearly way stronger then Pharaoh 90. Saturn was harming Pharaoh 90 via her negative energy aura erasing Pharaoh 90's matter-energy.

Personally I think Super Moon has more raw energy then Base Saturn, because assuming their powerups are of similar potency I don't think Eternal Saturn was THAT much stronger then initial Eternal Moon.

5: How strong are the Gods?

Pretty academic as well considering how rarely they come up both in the series and in versus debating but just wanted to comment in case it comes up. Queen Serenity is said to be the goddess Selene from Greek Mythology who was a rather minor deity. Given that I view Queen Serenity and Sailor Galaxia to be pretty even in terms of power (Queen Serenity is a Master of the Silver Crystal, the ultimate defense, and Galaxia is a Master of the Saphir Crystal, the ultimate offense, they are said to be the strongest crystals and about equal) that would put the Gods in General significantly stronger then Galaxia which is consistent with her, despite her arrogance, saying she was chosen by the Gods as if they were above her. However given it's role in Greek Mythology Chaos (and this is very much the Greek Chaos of "Void" or "Nonexistence" rather then the English Chaos meaning "Disorder) would almost certainly rank higher then them. If you consider Chibiusa's Picture Diary 2 the Gods seem to have dominion over the stars, and given Chaos was altering the history of the stars by making dark stars it's clear Chaos would either have to be stronger then them or they would have to approve of it, the latter seeming very unlikely given their general benevolence from what has been seen. So in SM it seems the Gods are between Galaxia and Chaos in terms of power. This also fits with Guardian Cosmos, THE God supposedly being able to survive inside the Galaxy Cauldron with Chaos but unable to destroy it by all appearances.


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