Tuesday, July 23, 2019

Panty and Stocking-Verse Strategy Guide


How to be OP in Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt-verse.

Note: While the ghosts are relatively weak compared to Panty and Stocking, there are a few instances of them doing non superficial damage to them, such as in "Catfight Club", meaning they belong properly in the same tier just far below rather then as a seperate tier.

City to Planetary Tier:
This is where most of the verse's fighters are.

This tier is generally city or country level. This comes from Stocking tanking a part of the Moon's sneeze which due to surface area was likely megaton range on Stocking's Body, numerous mushroom cloud feats, as well as Garterbelt surviving the meteor that killed the dinosaurs which in real life was 100 Teratons. There is an argument that the P&S verse meteor was even stronger due to it's seeming effect on the planet, however again surface area. Country Level scales to Garterbelt's durability, Stocking's sword strength since it cut Garterbelt, Corset's strength since he tore out Garterbelt's heart and possibly Corset's own durability.

The verse is also MHS from Stocking wanting to lose weight causing her to run around the world and into space (which itself has kiloton energy range). 

However what makes it harder is the hax the verse. There are more "typical" abilities like invisibility and regeneration (Garterbelt, Chuck and Corset all possess powerful regeneration abilities). However all this pales in comparison to the potency of the verse's strongest abilities: luck manipulation.

Angels like Panty and Stocking are supernaturally lucky, a form of passive probability manipulation allowing for winning of extremely improbably games of chance consistently. Demons like Scanty and Kneesocks can counteract this, possibly with some form of bad luck aura.

So how to fight probability manipulation efficiently?

Probability manipulation in general is the selecting of a particular future that is most advantageous and making it come to pass, essentially a specific form of spacetime manipulation. As such a strong resistance to spacetime manipulation would likely give a form of resistance to supernatural bad luck, though that alone won't counter supernatural good luck as it affects the user more then the enemy.

For a more conventional counter, the best way to beat probability manipulation is just to overwhelm it. Instead of singular big attacks, focus on having lots and lots of little attacks coming in giving more and more chances to hit the enemy. 

This can be done by danmaku, creating just a huge amount of attacks making it highly difficult to avoid all of them. It can also be done by creating more opponents to fight, by brainwashing the other side, or by either duplicating the self or summoning. Maximize the number of attacks they have to avoid.

The verse has a number of weaknesses.

Many of the characters are apathetic, or lack focus in combat, focusing more on their obsessions of things like sex, sweets or rrrrrrrrrrrules. Meaning that a clever manipulator or someone who can otherwise exploit their lack of focus and willpower can get a decisive advantage.

Angelic Weapons in the series can not kill non-magical entities, though this is not especially gonna be my focus as the Demons Weapons can do so just fine so it's only a partial counter.

In addition many of the characters are reliant on physical weapons, meaning ways of disarming them would likely be heavily effective.

So who would do well?


Mirror Master from DC would probably do very well, assuming he doesn't get arrogant.

Mirror Master can sit in the mirror dimension basically safe from harm. From there he has access to all Earth's reflective surfaces in every universe, meaning he could trap the P&S cast in other dimensions when mostly there is not much inter-dimensional capacity in P&S. As the mirror dimension seems to exist outside spacetime, this protects him from probability manipulation. He can also create extremely good illusions, exploiting the characters obsessions by showing them illusions of what they want and then trapping them.

He also knows hypnosis, something which not only has no resistance feats in verse, but something which has actually worked on Panty and Stocking before briefly. 

Mirror Master also has the ability to create hundreds of clones, making him far able to outnumber his opponents. While his physical strength is far below the durability of most of the cast, he can convert them to glass with his mirror gun and shatter them, and even if P&S verse can regenerate from that, which is arguable, Mirror Master could convert them to glass and then melt them so that they atomize.

The only possibility for the P&S verse is if Mirror Master becomes arrogant and or if their probability manipulation is strong enough to spontaneously open a wormhole to the mirror dimension however they have no feats of probability manipulation on this level. Even if they did enter, it's very possible he could stop them given his duplication ability, his illusion ability, his mirror gun, and his extremely high reflexes. 

This could be sort of seen as avoiding the question however since Mirror Master would primarily win by not directly facing them, and would not apply if they start in the same dimension. I don't agree with this, especially given that I do think Mirror Master could very well stop them even in the same dimension as mentioned above but if you want someone who can fight them more conventionally...



I think Lucy Heartfilia could probably do it. 

She fits well within the general stat range of P&S, being generally stronger but not stronger then the tier they are in, allowing her to have a power advantage without breaking the rules, and similarly with speeds.

She is noted as a powerful summoner by her ability to summon multiple gold key spirits at one time, which would aid her in overcoming the probability manipulation of the P&S verse. The Sagittarius and Virgo Celestial Spirits with either arrow or chain could likely disarm the P&S verse fighters of their weapons, especially the melee ones before they get the chance. Even more notable, The Aries Celestial Spirit was noted as creating wool that lulls and weakens resolve to fight. Given the apathetic nature of the many P&S verse characters, this would likely be extra effective.

Lucy also theoretically use the Gemini Celestial Spirit to mimic the Angels natural luck ability and/or the demon's natural bad luck ability, possibly at one time!

Lucy is also a lot smarter and more dedicated then Most of the P&S cast, being considered possibly one of the smartest members of the FT guild, even managing to solve a puzzle that Levy was unable too.

Her ability to summon numerous spirits at once would give her a massive versatility advantage against any one fighter in the verse and the invisibility of the verse would not be able to beat her as she has the ability to sense magic.

On a somewhat similar basis we have


Narset the Enlightened Master who would have a similar tactic.

As a Post-Awakening planeswalker, she should be similar in power to Jace Beleren who turned the Halimar Sea into mist and moved comparable to natural lightning. She has access to white mana, blue mana, and potentially red mana given her alternate universe counterpart was White/Blue/Red which is the exact perfect combination for this matchup.

Blue Mana is the mana of manipulating time as well as things like telekinesis which would potentially give resistance to probability manipulation as well as casually disarming them. White Mana allows for the summoning of massive armies and dimensional bfr meaning she could overwhelm them with armies and bfr them. This means she would be able to casually overwhelm them, one shot them into other dimensions, potentially avoid their biggest defense, and remove their form of offense.

If she had red mana, it would be even better as red mana is the chaos energy and governs probability manipulation meaning she could likely counter their probability manipulation directly. 

Narset is also highly intelligent and wise, as well as focused, and could manipulate them. She also can has clairvoyance and can see their weakness as well as use blue mana to create illusions to trick them.

Narset has an offense that would work perfectly, a defense that would possibly work perfectly, and can rid her opponents of their options as well as directly attack them.

However while this counter does seem perfect, it could theoretically lose. There's another character who I think would be an even more perfect counter. A character much weaker then the P&S verse but could do immense damage. That character is


Flowey the Flower.

Flowey in a direct fight is at a massive disadvantage due to being much weaker and slower.

Except Flowey can come back everytime so long as he has more DETERMINATION. Would he have more determination then the P&S cast. Absolutely yes. Panty and Stocking can barely motivate themselves to finish a fight that last seconds on average and usually only do that through rage or Garterbelt yelling at them. Flowey would have infinite tries to beat them.

And that's just on a surface level analysis. Flowey can attack the soul meaning he can ignore the physical durability and his danmaku styled attacks can help avoid their luck manipulation, though if they do catch him, he can just do it again as many times as wanted until he hits their souls. 

Flowey is also a cunning manipulator and would probably be able to manipulate the P&S cast into fighting with each other and making each other weak. It's not like it would be very hard, they regularly break out into fights anyway.

But what makes this really crazy? If Flowey gets 6 souls he becomes Omega Flowey and 6 he becomes Asriel both are way stronger then the entire P&S verse. Every ghost is a confirmed dead person's soul. You know how many of them there are. In "Les Diaboliques" Scanty and Kneesocks have a factory churning out hundreds of ghosts. This is even assuming the non-fighters like humans aren't around for him to take. In literally seconds Flowey could go from a fairly weak if hax flower to supreme god of the verse and there would be nothing that could stop him in that time.

Universe Tier:
So there's this ghost that it's unknown how P&S stopped if they even die. A Massive Ghost at the end of "Trans-Homers" that's a robot the size of a planet necessitating planetary energy and low relativistic speeds just from raw size. 

The Other Gods, a massive phallic ghost representing I think the sins humanity make gods off, being called the ultimate ghost would be above this, and sure enough Angel Panty and Stocking couldn't harm the main body off. 

Above even this is the God Tier of the verse, Judgement; mother of Panty and Stocking and overseer of Heaven and Earth. She also possess the ability to temporally bfr opponents as she did to Garterbelt, bestowed the curse upon Garterbelt showing she can bestow that power of regeneration, took away and gave again the power of Panty the Angel, showing she bestows the powers of the angels (it's unknown how many Angels there are, but there is a school of them in Heaven, meaning there's likely at least thousands, all of whom get their powers including natural luck manipulation from her). 

As such to her beat basically requires all the abilities previously but also stats enough to survive her wrath and some way of not getting temporarily bfr-ed to death. 

Now she does have a bit of weakness. She's absolutely enormous. She can step on the massive Other Gods Ghost and she dwarfs cities. This means actually hitting her opponents if human-sized is a bit like hitting a fly and it's unknown if she can concentrate her power on a single point. Having massive size is only really an advantage in really life if it gives better physical strength and durability, as well as reach. Someone with comparable power, toughness and range but smaller is actually at advantage. Unfortunately stealth which you would think work well with this size different might not work very well as Judgement seems to be aware across the universe as overseer of Heaven and Earth.

So for a relatively simple counter


I think Hekapoo from Star versus the Forces of Evil would be a good counter.

Her duplication ability would help in nullifying the luck ability of Judgement. She seems to be an ageless entity, and can only manipulate the variable time rate of different dimensions to return to different times if Judgement temporarly bfr-ed her.

Hekapoo also has an immensely higher known portal range compared to Judgement, as she can go anywhere in the infinite multiverse with her dimensional scissors while Judgement seems mostly limited to a single universe even though P&S DOES have a multiverse.

This means Hekapoo could simply portal in and out to attack Judgement at will, and hit her with attacks that would stagger Judgement, or outright slash through her with the scissors while Judgement would struggle to even hit Hekapoo who can easily dodge in and out of the universe, and even if Judgement does manage to hit her with her temporal bfr lightning, unless Hekapoo is transported into an area lethal to her like a black hole or the big bang, which Judgement has never shown, then Hekapoo could simply return easily. While Judgement can regenerate, Hekapoo's spatial scissors can literally spatially slice her parts into other dimensions to keep them from reforming. And again Hekapoo can duplicate herself, never risking her "main" self but simply overwhelming Judgement with duplicates. 

It also helps that Hekapoo is a far more experienced fighter then Judgement, having served as a magical fighter on the High Commission for an unspecified but seemingly long time. 

For a more complex counter


Clockwork from Danny Phantom would be a good counter. 

Clockwork exists outside of spacetime naturally meaning that probability manipulation wouldn't affect him. 

While Clockwork is weaker in terms of raw power then Judgement, Clockwork has multiversal range keeping him from ever needing to engage Judgement until he has a chance when she can't react, or literally can't if he just freezes time something she has no known resistance too. Perhaps then you could say how could he damage her since he can't possess her as normal P&S verse ghosts wouldn't be able too despite having possession.

Well Clockwork can create portals through spacetime, and could reverse the tables by bfring Judgement to the end of time. Also, Early Danny Phantom was able to use his intangibility to enter a video game, and was also able to enter a dream. It's possibly Clockwork could use his own intangibility to seal Judgement inside something like this. And Clockwork very likely could turn Judgement intangible despite size given the season 3 finale shows that ghosts can each turn a large section of the Earth invisible. 

Beyond that Clockwork has summoning abilities able to summon powerful ghosts and even duplicate meaning he would able to sheer overnumber overwhelm Judgement.

He also has yet another counter to probability manipulation in that he also is aware of all possible permutations of what might happen, describing it as like seeing a parade from above rather then from the side. Because of that, he can maximize probability by following the most advantageous reality.

However for a more direct combat counter


I think Naruto would do really well.

It's partly due to the famous shadow clone technique which allows Naruto to make THOUSANDS of himself. Remember the duplication that was notable up till now, of making 4 of oneself? Naruto can do that on a much more massive level and they can all fire Rasengan that even if they weren't the Rasen-shuriken which would cut through Judgement, they would just blow up up the entire area she's in many many times over. However the Rasen-shuriken, Naruto's iconic and biggest attack would be the perfect weapon to use on Judgement as it cuts on the cellular level, which would keep Judgement from regenerating since P&S verse regen only works at a dust level. Naruto's power is also stronger then Judgement without going over the power limit.

In Sage Mode Naruto can also analyze the negative emotions of his opponents, which would give him perfect knowledge of when Judgement was going to use her time-bfr lightning and allow him to dodge it or use substitution jutsu to avoid the attack. And while in Naruto is in Six Paths Sage Mode, Naruto has inter-dimensional sensory capacities as well as sealing abilities which is potentially a one-hit ko.

Also even if Judgement was going to hit, not only could she likely not put in enough force to damage him faster the his own healing factor, fast enough to regen his own lung before he dies after it was taken out of him (during part 1) though Kyuubi chakra could heal him making him basically invulnerable to raw force. While Judgement's probability manipulation would work on him, the sheer number of clones, as well as the number of summons he can make could probably overwhelm that. While Naruto's summons aren't as strong as him, the frogs can create illusions and warp the mind something again Judgement has no resistance too. 

And even if Judgement's lightning was going to hit Naruto, Kyuubi can act independently to protect him by moving him out of the way, or create a charka blast to nullify it (As kyuubi chakra can absorb natural energy like that of lightning).


However the best counter I can find is essentially a combination of all these tactics, for the most part.


Yhwach from Bleach I think would be the best counter to the P&S verse. Like Naruto he has stats on Judgement without going over the stat limit.

First off, the Almighty is the perfect counter to probability manipulation like luck as it allows him to explicitly choose the best reality to observe and make reality. That along would give him a good argument to win however there's a lot more. The Almighty can negate regeneration even against Orihime's ability meaning he can outright negate the regen of Judgement.

Yhwach can also teleport and travel between dimensions as well as forcefully close dimensional portals. He can also influence and attack through dimensions as his presence was doing damage on all 3 worlds which can make him invulnerability to Judgement while he can attack her with pretty much no problem.

Yhwach can also manipulate minds as Heilig Pfeil to cause fear and he can also use the Wind to bend space to potentially send Judgement's attacks back at her. 

Yhwach also has a regen factor as good or better then Judgement yet Judgement doesn't have any way to brute force Yhwach unlike the inverse.

Yhwach is a far far more experienced fighter and even more so strategist and also seems to be undying from age meaning he could simply manipulate events so that over centuries he can put Judgement in a dangerous position. 

Basically Yhwach is comically more versatile as well as way more haxed and has perfect counters to everything Judgement can do. 






And that's how to be OP in Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt-verse

1 comment:

  1. I found your ways of getting around luck/probability manipulation pretty clever. Overwhelming a character to the point where their luck wouldn't help them is a pretty good idea that I wouldn't have thought about. Characters chosen for counters were diverse and seem to be good picks, as usual. Seeing a Magic: the gathering characters makes me wonder how one of these for the Yugioh verse would go.

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