Wednesday, May 6, 2020

VS Battles wiki and inconsistent standards

So this not my trying to attack any individual person, to say they are a bad vs debater or to call them hypocritcal of the sort. I very much do not believe that is the case. However I believe there is a problem that is endemic towards any sort of crowd sourced vs debating in that different people will have different standards for what qualifies as what. Here I am going to show you several examples of vs battles wiki interpreting two feats that are very similar in nature from two different verses and getting completely different assessments.

1: Sailor Moon vs Okami

On the vs battles wiki page for Pharaoh 90 he is stated to be at least galaxy level for moving a galaxy at mftl+ speeds.

On the page for Amaterasu  from Okami she is noted to have spun a galaxy, ie moving a galaxy, at mftl speeds and this makes her....Solar System Level.

I mention this first because it seems like the most blatant example I've seen where two verses have an almost identical feat that is treated differently for unknown reasons.

2: Sailor Moon vs Saint Seiya

On the page for Queen Nehelenia she is noted to be universal for maintaining a universe. This universe is the Mirror Dimension which was called a parallel universe and the guidebook states contains constellations.

On the Aries Mu page, Mu is noted as having destroyed Iapetus' universe of countless stars before creating his own greater universe and this means he is Multi-Stellar. If that is not evidence to be a universe then Nehelenia's feat which has nigh identical qualifications of being called universe and containing many stars should not be universal or vice versa if that is enough then Mu's feat should be.

3: Puella Magi vs Sailor Moon

On the other hand, there are times when the standard is inconsistent against SM.

On the Puella Magi verse, Madoka is noted to be a conceptual multiversal enity because she destroyed the world of witches and recreated it without the concept of witches, with world being contextually seen as multiverse of infinite universes.

Sailor Moon at the end of Sailor Moon recreates the "cosmos", a feat which they put at "possibly" low multiversal despite the SM "cosmos" containing many dimensions. Using their prior standard this would be included and make Sailore Moon Hyperversal or you are taking words at their face value and/or using a conservative estimate and Madoka would not be multiversal.


4: Undertale vs PPG

The page for Frisk in Undertale says Frisk has low multiversal attack potency because s/he did very slight harm to Photoshop Flowey. Not serious injury, but took a slight amount of his health. Bear in mind Photoshop Flowey was implied to have been playing around that fight and was messing with game mechanics, deliberately allowing his health to drop so he could bring it to full to say "just kidding".

Buttercup knocked Him's teeth out solely to get money from the tooth fairy and the reason this isn't allowed is because it was quote "a sucker punch" as though that would allow an island level character to wound a low stellar character. The logic used in the blog is that it's inconsistent however I strongly disagree. The PPG were stronger then Him, even with Princess and Fuzzy, in Meet the Beat-Alls along with the Moral Decay ep. Most of the other confrontations didn't involve any physical fight with Him only being stronger in speed demons (where he had years to get potentially stronger). The blog tries to state that the Boys are Back in Town shows Him is stronger because Him resurrected the RRB who are equals to the PPG and removed their weakness. I don't know why resurrection and reality warping are seen as giving Him more power.

Buttercup did more damage to Him then Determination Frisk did to Photoshop Flowey and it is more consistent that Buttercup scales to Him the Determination Frisk does to Photoshop Flowey, both in terms of context and their other feats. Buttercup might not have personal stellar feats but I'm pretty sure Frisk doesn't have anything close to multi-universal moreso.

5: DC Comics vs Pretty Cure

Pre-Crisis Superman surviving the Big Bang was seen as a universal feat. It was also used as a justification for Tengan Toppa Gurren Lagann and is used as part of the justification for Earthworm Jim.

Goyan predates the universe and survived the creation of the universe. Splash Star Pretty Cure uses their attack which Goyan sees and says it has the energy of the big bang. They're considered Planet Level in that key. Why? Because that's apparently not enough evidence.







This was all using just the verses I consider myself a serious fan off. Like I said this isn't saying anyone in particular is acting hypocritically, however this seems to be a problem endemic to the wiki format. I have a standard that I can systematically list out and which every verse I interpret I interpret to that standard to the letter. If someone has a differnet standard that's fine, but multiple people interpreting differnet verses to different standards will naturally create scenarios like this. This is only a problem because among this part of the vs community, vs battles wiki's views are parroted without looking at any of the justifications. It's not as much as it used to be I don't think, youtube vs debaters seems to have risen in popularity but it does still seem a problem.


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