Saturday, March 13, 2021

How they compare: Set (Egyptian Mythology)

 

Residing in this world and the next are Netjer, beings beyond the knowledge and power whose ways are the ways of the world. Born of the union of sky and earth were 5 children, including crafty Isis who secured for her husband Osiris the title of Pharaoh from the creator of the universe Ra. But their brother Set was jealous of Osiris.

Set tricked his brother and assassinated him, mutilating his body into 14 pieces, and taking over the throne as Pharaoh, the divine king of the world. However he would be defeated and overthrown yet again by the son of Osiris, Horus. Yet Set did not die and remains in this world and the next. 


Set's raw power is consistently one of the strongest in the Egyptian Myths, said to be an equal to Horus' himself, Horus having such power that he was allowed to take the throne as Pharaoh by an assembly of the Gods. Set more famously defends Ra from Apophis every night as he journeys through the underworld with the Coffin Texts implying Apophis is warded away by the wave of Set's hands. Apophis is a threat to Ra who created the Egyptian Mythological cosmology, a universe containing the Ogdoad, infinite primordial deities including an infinite primeval ocean. 

He should also scale to Ra and Apophis in speed logically. Ra travels across the entire cosmos once per day exactly, being the cycle of the sun setting into the underworld on one side of the world and rising on the other side after traversing it's length. Given the infinite size of the cosmos, this would neccesarily be infinite speeds.


As a Netjer Set is the embodiment of physical forces, in Set's case; he is lord of the storm and the desert, of disorder and violence, of the foreign powers, and those that threaten the order of Egypt. The barren red land is his domain, burning and inhospitable. The gods are embodied, and can be sliced into pieces, but their bodies are superhumanly durable and do not die naturaly. Should the pieces of Osiris be brought together again, they will have life again, as Isis journeyed across the lands of Egypt to reunite the pieces of Osiris to return the god to life. Gods have souls and can die, but still act after their death, transitioning to another state just as Ra changes to Amun after dying with the setting sun and being reborn as Khepri even dawn. Set can thus be killed, but such will not stop him, but change his nature unpredictably. Likewise even when his genitals were cut off by Horus, it did not damage Set.

Set can control all that is he embodiment off, and more. Horus' eyes became the sun and moon and when Set inflicted a wound on his eye, it was an eclipse, the sun darkening, showing their relation directly to what they embody. The gods can move through the sky at will it seems, as Ra hovers over the land and the other gods can go to him at will. They can ward off evil spirts, indeed Seth has been invoked for such a purpose, and can travel freely between the world of the living and the world of the dead. Set and Horus both have the ability to bestow strength and to purify; Set consumes corruption and in doing so purifies, even able to purify himself. Set is said in the Coffin Texts to lap up corruption, life in putrefecation (rot), and is capable of taking souls. Set can live within the rot of material, the literal infertility of the world, and cast filth into Horus' face.

Set is known for his air manipulation, strong enough to cause storms. Set was concieved as he whom the sky shakes before, and in the Book of the Dead it is said he spread the air over the divine soul within the egg, suggesting he has astral wind manipulation. He was the one that controlled the drought and the burning desert winds, keeping them from destroying the fertility of the lands.

Set is also known for being skilled in magic. It is said in the Pyramid Texts that Set knows even more then gods of magic, and in many sources it is known that Set and his followers can take the forms of animals. In the Amduat it is said that Set and Isis together chain the great snake Apep to protect Ra as he journeys through the underworld.

Finally like all Egyptian Gods, Set has a seemingly canonical ability to take on new forms and aspects by fusion with other Nefjet or by internal divison. Possibly non-canonical during the period of cultural exchange with the Greeks, Set was identifed with Typhon, possibly by fusion which would give him access to the Theoi's nature as an undying immortal invisible abstraction, and Typhon's fire and sound projection.

In terms of weaknesses, Set is characterized as bloodthirsty and envious, although he is still an important part of the balance of Ma'at opposing the evil of Isfet embodied in Apep.


Name: Set, Seth, Suetekh, the Set Animal | Typhon, Typhaeon, Typhoeus
Origin: Egyptian Mythology
Powers and Abilities: Semi-Abstract Nature, Fusion/Division, Immortal Body, Levitation, Inter-Dimensional Travel, Can ward away evil spirits, Astral Wind Manipulation, Sand Manipulation, Storm Inducing, Disorder and Violence Inducing, Purification/Corruption Consuming, Corruption Manipulation, can exist within Putrefecation,  Soul-Stealing, Power Bestowal (Strength, Shape-Shifting), Shape-Shifting, Binding (He and Isis bound the Apophis with chains), control of drought and the desert winds | Abstract Nature, Fire-Breathing, Emanation of strange terrifying sounds
Weaknesses: Bloodthirsty and Envious, somewhat relies on his body and soul
Destructive Capacity: Infinite
Range: At least country scale (Controls the infertile desert sand across Egypt)
Speed: Infinite
Durability: Presumably Infinite (Withstood blows from Horus, his equal)
Stamina: High (Fought Horus for 80 years, the bodies of the Netjer do not seem to be subject to natural forces)
Standard Equipment: Tends to be depicted with a staff, chains or an ankh
Intelligence: High (Is wise in magic to the point of rivalring or surpassing the gods of magic, decieved his brother to assassinate him, came up with numerous schemes to defeat Horus)
Key: Base | Identified as Typhon

So how well would he do in other verses?


In the Marvel Abstract hierarchy, Set would be relatively low, around the level of Celestials, as while his power is high enough to contend, he is still somewhat limited by having a body and a soul, and lacks the level of cosmic versatility and hax to really fight against most of them. That said assuming he sticks to one universe he would be ridiculously powerful, beyond skyfathers and cube beings. He would be an immense threat normally and would require powerful magic heroes to beat normally. That said he would ironically enough be a hero during the Cancer-verse event, as with infinite power he is the lord of the desert winds that bring infertility, and rot, which could begin to rot away the unnatural life, defying their immortality as he did to his brother's immortal life.

In a direct fight, he would about on the level of the Celestials, probably more raw powerful but lacking in hax comparatively. He could probably defeat one or two in a fight by himself, but would be overwhelmed by any numbers or any high tier Celestials.


In DC Comics, Set would fit downright perfectly as a Lord of Chaos. While he would have high power for one, it's not a level unknown to them, as Lord of Order Kismet could control an infinite multiverse with her power. Set would become a spiritual force of disorder representing the disorder-bringing envy and ambition and become part of DC Comics balance in the battle between the lords of order and chaos. If he threatened the Earth, it would likely take numerous big name JLA members to beat him, or at least one of the strongest magic wielding heroes. He could also likely fight a lesser god from the God Sphere, as their true forms are infinitely large and abstract.

Set could become much stronger if he fuses with another god, basically able to amp his abilities to the conceptual if he fuses with the godhead of a being from the Sphere of the Gods, though he would have to be crafty to decieve one into doing so.


In Lovecraft Mythos, Set would, very appropriately, be considered on the rank of the Elder Gods, the gods of humanity. These scale above the archetypes of humanity, basic concepts who can withstand the speaking of Yog-Sothoth that was like universes colliding. Set would have relatively high power for an Elder God, though would still be unable to effect beings like the Outer Gods.

An interesting possibility is if one of the Outer Gods agrees for unknown reasons to fuse with Set. It's unknown if such could make them any stronger, although it might make them perhaps slightly more comprehensible to humanity. Even if he fused with Elder God, he would be nothing to an Outer God though, the weakest of whom Nyarlathotep BFR-ed casually all the Elder Gods.


In the Saint Seiya-verse, Set might do very well. He's vastly stronger then most gods, being at least as strong as the stronger gods of the Olympians and even in such a fast verse would be as fast as Divine Cosmo. Most of his powers could be negated by cosmo, but his raw level of power would be formidable and be able to one-shot anyone who tries to just block him.

The real threat is Set manipulating them. The Gods in Saint Seiya are very often driven by power and envy with the three brother kings of the Greek Pantheon fighting with each other for control of the cosmos, similar to Set himself. It's very possible Set could, be it manipulation or not, convince a native god of the verse to fuse with him to get the power to defeat it's rivals (probably manfesting as a Set Animal-looking Kamui), which would allow his abilities to become far more dangerous, bolstered by Divine Cosmo. 


In Yu-Gi-Oh! Set would be a god tier level threat, but could possibly be beaten by a combination of teamwork and creative usage of abilities. Set has greater power then the verse infinitely, unless you interpret the hyperdimension feat as literally infinite. Even then he is infinitely faster then the verse. That said the power of the games of darkness can turn a spacetime into a game, freeze time or rewind time and prana can attack beyond spacetime. Beyond that given his character Set would try to take the throne of Pharaoh for himself, but that leaves him to a counterattack. While Set is quite clever, the verse has it's own manipulators.

The verse's haxes and abilities seem to form an interesting interplay. Set can attack the soul but prana can do the same thing with prana users able to defend against this. Removing the Ka from someone in Yugioh can attack their soul by corrupting it into a monster but Set can purify his soul. Set can incite disorder and violence but Yugi's friends have the power of friendship, which defied the magical powers of the Millennium Eye and game of darkness caused by Shadi. Yugioh monsters can be fended away by Set's evil spirit warding and his chains which can bind even Aphophis. Overall I think this would be a really interesting fight, with Set very possibly being able to solo the verse or the verse just barely being able to beat him via hax and power of friendship despite his infinite power. 

7 comments:

  1. It is so cool to me that you can even talk Mythology characters into general vs, I personally wouldn't know where to begin when researching them, the fact you are citing inscriptions from coffins and burial sites and those on the walls of the Pyramids is so cool to me but also shows the massive amount of disconnected hard to track down data for Set there is to find, and because its Egyptian Myth, no matter what it will somehow make sense.

    Anyway Set sounds like an Incredibly powerful villain, and it has always been such a cool concept to me to take a Villain from thousands of years ago and see how he does against entities made in modern times, like that Scene from Constantine City of Demons where be brings back an old Aztec God to fight modern demons.

    He does surprisingly well in both Marvel and DC with his Insane stat level allowing him to take one some people far outside his own hax level, and like you mention in the Lovecraft section, he could even use that to fuse with other gods and gain even MORE power

    The Saint Seyia comparison i thought was particularly interesting, with how the general strat of SS is to have Incredible Stats and skills and stuff making them really hard to fight directly, and then bolster so many advanced Hax resistances that you cant cheat them and have no choice BUT to fight them directly. but here we have a guy who can just blitz and oneshot any single one of them, and now THEY have to use their own hax abilities to try and cheat him down

    but ofcourse Yugioh is the MVP here, the way you discribed how this insane shadow game could go makes me wish this was an extra season of the show, or maybe a movie. it would be like Suicide Squad where the heros have to somehow band together to beat a MASSIVE threat that should be completely impossible for them to stop no matter what.

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  3. Great analysis Imp. Set seems like an intriguing god. He is this god of disorder and violence and yet is quite good at purification/destroying corruption which almost seems contradictory. It is an interesting question to me of what is considered "canon" for a being of mythology so stuff like getting some feats from inscriptions in coffins or how cultural exchange with the Greeks impacted Set's myth stuck out to me in the blog. I feel like I got a fun mini-mythology lesson alongside a verses analysis.

    It's pretty cool to see how well he would fit in to all of these more modern verses. Like despite how culturally removed he is, he would fit right in with of Lords of Chaos in DC. He seems like an anti-villain type of character when you describe him in the Marvel verse. Of course putting the canonical Egyptian god in the Yu-Gi-Oh! verse was perfect and I am surprised how well Yugi and friends would be able to oppose him (even though Set is obviously still a huge threat). It is kinda crazy yet fitting how well Set fits as a big bad for Yu-Gi-Oh!

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  4. This is a fairly cool post, just curious do you have any Superman Threads? I'm looking for some Cosmic/Multiversal Feats from him lately just cause.

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    1. I don't actually think Post-Crisis Superman is multiversal. The best evidence I know for something like that is that he shattered the physical and metaphysical part of the Phantom Stranger
      https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11127/111278617/5194851-4779357-3772708-phan%5B1%5D.jpg

      However I don't think he's that strong.

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